[VS] DSM Kabuto and EMS Sasuke vs. Kisame, Edo Itachi, and KCM Naruto

[KidGamer65]

And actually, that makes sense. KCM Naruto has nothing to make EMS Sasuke even sweat. Clones are fodderized by former stages of Susanoo, which swings its sword or spams Magatama projectiles of Amaterasu. Speed feats are not relevant here, as neither Naruto, and above all not his clones were able to effectively dodge in any of his fights. Rasenshuriken is inferior to Katon, hence Sasuke would just set any Rasenshuriken on fire with Amaterasu and then control it with Kagutsuchi. Optional, Sasuke covers his Susanoo in the flames, so in the case that the Rasenshuriken is going to touch Susanoo, the flames, which are in Sasuke's control, would consume it - after all he can shape the flames into various forms, for offensive and defensive The Rasengan is a joke, as it does not even put a scratch on Susanoo's ribcage. Summons are a joke, the Magatama projectiles of the back flames would fodderize it.

Really now? Most of the stuff you've mentioned is stuff that's been countered pretty much a million times, besides the "Speed feats are irrelevant" nonsense.

-Former stages of Susanoo aren't doing anything to KCM Naruto, Danzo already

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. The slower Ay already evaded Amaterasu, don't mention it again. Magatama are slower, don't mention them again.

-The bold is nothing but a joke of an argument. Naruto has shown the speed feats to dodge Amaterasu, Magatama and the like. That's a fact. I'm not going to debate whether or not he can.

-I've already replied to using Amaterasu on Rasen Shuriken.

-Chou Oodama Rasengan and higher absolutely wrecks Ribcage Susanoo.

Sasuke gets ended by multiple clones using Bijuu Rasengan, which is superior to FRS, or he gets ended by multiple FRS slamming into his Susanoo. Take your pick. No legged Susanoo or no PS means he loses, badly.

Is there something else worth mentioning? I guess no. KCM has nohwhere a chance against EMS Sasuke even without the PS, as Sasuke has a perfect offense and defense which he can spamm. Not a chance here buddy.

Naruto beats him, comfortably. Your arguments don't imply otherwise.

 

[Strict]

Your whole argumentation is nonsense, you should admit it.
Speed feats above Ay? So Itachi's speed is above Ay's as well? So Obito's speed is above Naruto's without Kamui as well, as he dodged Bijuudamarasengan by just stepping aside? So the other Jinchuriki's speed, which Obito controlled, are on pair with Naruto in base, as Naruto didn't blitz any of them but rather stalemated or was even inferior. And when did BM Naruto blitz Madara? Oh wait, Madara just shielded himself with his Gunbai from BM Naruto's attacks. Your argumentation is a joke, since it is based on fanfiction. Naruto dodged one linear attack of A as he was prepared for this one clash, but in fact, he can't use his speed effectively in a fight, prove me wrong with a fight where Naruto coordinately blitzed opponents or dodged attacks. At least I can prove my point with a dozen scenarios. Do I have to agree with KCM Naruto blitzing an EMS user or dodging a series of his attacks, when Naruto stalemated with Itachi, stalemated with Obito's Base Jinchuriki, failed to hit Obito with a Bijuudama Rasengan, as he merely stepped aside and couldn't even blitz Madara in BM, as latter just shielded himself with his Gunbai? Are we done here?

Chou Oodama Rasengan and higher absolutely wrecks Ribcage Susanoo

Can you prove your point with Manga facts, when a Chou Odama Rasengan of Naruto already failed to put even a scratch on Susanoo's ribcage? Waiting for it. But spare me beating about the bush buddy. I prove my points with scans, prove your points with scans as well.

I also see no arguments for the Amaterasu > FRS, at least I didn't read a legitimate statement.
Is fire superior to wind, yes or no?
Can Sasuke fire Amaterasu instantly, yes or no?
Did Sasuke fire his Enton arrow simultaneously with Naruto's big Rasenshuriken to hit the Juubi, yes or no?
Did Enton canonically consume the Rasenshuriken, yes or no?
Can Sasuke shield himself and Susanoo with Amaterasu, yes or no?

I like how you beat about the bush, I mean anything we talk about can simply be proven by taking canon scans.

I also like how you take the mere activation of Susanoo as a feat of its speed. Did Danzo dodge Susanoo's arrow or not? Was Kakashi's only option to warp the arrows away with Kamui, yes or not? Can Sasuke rapidly produce a number of Magatama projectiles, yes or not?

Durability? Didn't Obito destroy a clone just by hitting it with a Gunbai? Susanoo cuts through bones which are as hard as steel like butter, cuts through Shurado like butter as well? Durability? Naruto should be glad that Kakashi warped away his own Kunai to save Naruto's ass. So since when a Raiton Kunai is > to Enton enhanced Susanoo blades? Interesting.

All we talk about can canonically be proven by the Manga, no reason to beat about the bush.

But I like how you playing the tough guy though.

 

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Yes Naruto, the Amaterasu missed. Not because your reaction and speed in KCM is so insane and you can always rely on it, but because Itachi didn't aim for you.

 

[KidGamer65]

Your whole argumentation is nonsense, you should admit it.
Speed feats above Ay? So Itachi's speed is above Ay's as well? So Obito's speed is above Naruto's without Kamui as well, as he dodged Bijuudamarasengan by just stepping aside? So the other Jinchuriki's speed, which Obito controlled, are on pair with Naruto in base, as Naruto didn't blitz any of them but rather stalemated or was even inferior. And when did BM Naruto blitz Madara? Oh wait, Madara just shielded himself with his Gunbai from BM Naruto's attacks. Your argumentation is a joke, since it is based on fanfiction. Naruto dodged one linear attack of A as he was prepared for this one clash, but in fact, he can't use his speed effectively in a fight, prove me wrong with a fight where Naruto coordinately blitzed opponents or dodged attacks. At least I can prove my point with a dozen scenarios. Do I have to agree with KCM Naruto blitzing an EMS user or dodging a series of his attacks, when Naruto stalemated with Itachi, stalemated with Obito's Base Jinchuriki, failed to hit Obito with a Bijuudama Rasengan, as he merely stepped aside and couldn't even blitz Madara in BM, as latter just shilded himself with his Gunbai? Are we done here?

He already evaded Ay's top speed punch when he was inches from his face, so yes, he's faster. If you are going to argue with manga fact, I suggest you just don't bother, I'm not going to waste my time replying to stuff I've been replying to for the past few days.

When you can show me where Naruto used Shunshin in any of these instances then I'll be bothered to reply, until then, post something that isn't nonsensical "Like Naruto's speed feats being fanfiction" Even though they have been shown in the manga.

-Madara? Yeah, Naruto used Shunshin, but he jumped in the air, and entered

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when he was falling down. Him being in free fall means he isn't moving at top speed, so Madara reacting is irrelevant. Even if Madara reacted, its irrelevant since we are talking about Sasuke here. Not Madara.

-Obito? Once again,

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Not to mention Obito phased through Naruto, and that was OBITO. We are talking about SASUKE. Obito and Madara reacting to Naruto's attacks when he doesn't use Shunshin doesn't mean that Sasuke can hit Naruto with whatever projectile he throws at him.

-The same Jinchuuriki he was fighting in CQC? Shunshin isn't used while in CQC. Naruto used no Shunshin here so its irrelevant to mention. Completely different from dodging projectiles that are aimed at you from afar.


Naruto not using Shunshin=/=Naruto not being able to use his speed effectively in battle.

Naruto not using Shunshin when in CQC=/=Naruto not being able to dodge Sasuke's attacks.

In fact, Shunshin isn't even needed to dodge the majority of his attacks.

-Enton Magatama move as fast as FRS. Pain evaded FRS, Naruto simply Shunshin's away from Sasuke's firing point.

-Susanoo's strike was evaded by Danzo simply jumping. Naruto does the same, with ease.

-Susanoo arrow is slower than Amaterasu, which Ay evaded with Shunshin. Naruto evades it with Shunshin as well.

No one ever said Sasuke gets blitzed here, this nonsense about Naruto not being able to dodge Sasuke's projectiles when he is fast enough to do so is pure garbage, joke argumentation. If you are going to try and debate that Naruto, despite being fast enough to evade Sasuke's projectile attacks, will get hit, then just stop posting now, cause you are doing nothing but wasting my time, and your time.

Can you prove your point with Manga facts, when a Chou Odama Rasengan of Naruto already failed to put even a scratch on Susanoo's ribcage? Waiting for it. But spare me beating about the bush buddy. I prove my points with scans, prove your points with scans as well.

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Ribcage didn't tank anything. It was getting shredded by the impact of the Rasengan alone let alone its explosion, which never occurred since Madara knocked Naruto away in the next page. If you disagree, you can go ahead and try to show me the explosion that should have occurred and you can explain why Ribcage was being destroyed.

That same Susanoo being cracked by attacks weaker than Chou Oodama Rasengan. It tanking it with no damage is a joke at the very best. You have no feats of it tanking an attack this strong since the attack it supposedly tanked never exploded.

I also see no arguments for the Amaterasu > FRS, at least I didn't read a legitimate statement.
Is fire superior to wind, yes or no?
Can Sasuke fire Amaterasu instantly, yes or no?
Did Sasuke fire his Enton arrow simultaneously with Naruto's big Rasenshuriken to hit the Juubi, yes or no?
Did Enton canonically consume the Rasenshuriken, yes or no?
Can Sasuke shield himself and Susanoo with Amaterasu, yes or no?

I've already replied to him using Amaterasu on the FRS. He can't use Amaterasu on more than one at a time. He can't use Amaterasu on one if Naruto uses Shunshin to slam it into his Susanoo at close range, from the back either. An equal Enton was the smallest Enton that was ever able to counter an FRS (Of the smallest size). No reason to believe that any old ball of flame will counter even the largest FRS, especially when Sasuke used his Enton Arrow and not a generic burst of Enton to match Naruto's Chou FRS.

And, coating his Susanoo with Enton isn't going to do anything. Equal amount of Enton at the very least is needed to counter FRS. If he relies on that little flame to do anything, FRS simply blows him apart.

I also like how you take the mere activation of Susanoo as a feat of its speed. Did Danzo dodge Susanoo's arrow or not? Was Kakashi's only option to warp the arrows away with Kamui, yes or not? Can Sasuke rapidly produce a number of Magatama projectiles, yes or not?

Susanoo's activation is the fastest time it'll ever strike, at least with a version that low, so yes, that is an accurate feat of its speed.

Dodging it is irrelevant, since someone slower than Naruto already evaded it, but oh wait. You think Naruto will get hit despite having the speed necessary to evade it. Lmao. Nothing but a joke.

Durability? Didn't Obito destroy a clone just by hitting it with a Gunbai? Susanoo cuts through bones which are as hard as steel like butter, cuts through Shurado like butter as well? Durability? Naruto should be glad that Kakashi warped away his own Kunai to save Naruto's ass. So since when a Raiton Kunai is > to Enton enhanced Susanoo blades? Interesting.

If only anyone besides you decided to mention durability here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

and to add, people are taking Kisame too lightly. How can Kabuto counter the dome?​

Easy. Senjutsu chakra that he will be absorbing turns him to stone

Summoning Manda II?

Thats a good counter too, since its size will make Dome look like a puddle. And that fact that it will be summon instantly will disperse the Water and crush Kisame

Itachi captures it in Genjutsu and turns it against Kabuto.

Lol no. Kabuto canonically use Snakes sense to counter Itachis and Sasukes Genjutsu[

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] so it isn't effective here as it wasn't canonically.​

 

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Easy. Senjutsu chakra that he will be absorbing turns him to stone

Itachi knows the consequences of what happens when absorbing Senjutsu, or at least Naruto does. He would warn him, and he'd avoid contact.​

Thats a good counter too, since its size will make Dome look like a puddle. And that fact that it will be summon instantly will disperse the Water and crush Kisame

It wouldn't disperse the water, it'd only expand the dome.​

Lol no. Kabuto canonically use Snakes sense to counter Itachis and Sasukes Genjutsu[

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] so it isn't effective here as it wasn't canonically.

Those are not Manda II. There's no reason to trap small snakes in Genjutsu when you have Susano'O to kill them and there's too many. It wouldn't make a difference, but in this case, it would. Those also obeyed Kabuto's orders telepathically. Snakes have been trapped before in Genjutsu, especially the likes of Manda II (Manda).​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Itachi knows the consequences of what happens when absorbing Senjutsu, or at least Naruto does. He would warn him, and he'd avoid contact.​

Good. So Dome is counter since he can't use it, because he knows what happens to him

It wouldn't disperse the water, it'd only expand the dome.​

No it doesn't. If you claim is true, Bee's partner would have never escaped, but expand to where they have.

Those are not Manda II. There's no reason to trap small snakes in Genjutsu when you have Susano'O to kill them and there's too many. It wouldn't make a difference, but in this case, it would. Those also obeyed Kabuto's orders telepathically. Snakes have been trapped before in Genjutsu, especially the likes of Manda II (Manda).​

It doesn't matter what snake it is, as they all have the natural ability sense to things through temperature and also sense of smell in the mouth. Even Kabuto's statement said he has far better senses then the original. On top of that, snakes nateral ability to block their eyelids using their brille. And on top of that Manda II goes by what Kabuto commands and listens.

 

[Unorthodox]

Whoooo people thinking Itachi aiding Naruto gone be something how is he even a factor once v4 standing susanoo is out Itachi is fodder he cant do nothing but watch Sasuke destroy Naruto

 

[Rιver]

Good. So Dome is counter since he can't use it, because he knows what happens to him

Why? Dome doesn't drain his chakra, so what's your point?​

No it doesn't. If you claim is true, Bee's partner would have never escaped, but expand to where they have.

I'm talking about physics. Whenever an object is in water, the water rises depending on the volume of the object.
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It doesn't matter what snake it is, as they all have the natural ability sense to things through temperature and also sense of smell in the mouth. Even Kabuto's statement said he has far better senses then the original. On top of that, snakes nateral ability to block their eyelids using their brille. And on top of that Manda II goes by what Kabuto commands and listens.

And...? You mean it uses it's sensing rather than using it's eyes? Ephemeral can always trap Manda II, which requires no eyes.​

 

[Strict]

Mei oh mei KidGamer.

He already evaded Ay's top speed punch when he was inches from his face, so yes, he's faster. If you are going to argue with manga fact, I suggest you just don't bother, I'm not going to waste my time replying to stuff I've been replying to for the past few days.

When you can show me where Naruto used Shunshin in any of these instances then I'll be bothered to reply, until then, post something that isn't nonsensical "Like Naruto's speed feats being fanfiction" Even though they have been shown in the manga.

So one can use his Shunshin always effectively in a battle? WHAT are you trying to prove here? Naruto and Ay had one clash, a linear clash both were prepared for and which Naruto dominated with his Shunshin. That Naruto, as most the others, can't use Shunshin effectively in a battle was settled long ago. It's a fact. Naruto didn't use Shunshin all the time because he didn't want to, but because he couldn't. A fight at eye level consists of different maneuvers, use of Ninjutsu, feints and flexibility. One clash isn't a fight, what Naruto did against Obito was a fight that consists of all of those components.

I can't bother myself to further argue with you about this matter, because if I go by my perception of Manga facts, Naruto COULDN'T use his Shunshin effectively in a fight, up to a point HE was inferior to an opponent. One inattention of him was enough to be targeted by Amaterasu, he couldn't blitz Obito's Base Jinchuriki or avoid their various techniques, Obito was even able to avoid Naruto's attacks without Kamui. THIS is called flexibility in a fight, since when you face another opponent at eye level, something like Shunshin quickly useless, as it canonically was in Naruto's case, because in canon, his Shunshin had no place in this fight. So either agree or disagree, otherwise this debate will turn in circles.

Enton Magatama move as fast as FRS. Pain evaded FRS, Naruto simply Shunshin's away from Sasuke's firing point.

Prove your words. As I see it, the projectiles instantly hit the Zetsus, there was shown no time to react on incoming projectiles. Yes, in long range, Naruto could avoid them, but in the same time, Naruto can't to anything to Sasuke in long range. He needs to enter Susanoo's range to do something about it. Throwing a Rasenshuriken is useless and I hope you get such simple things, as Sasuke can simply counter it with Enton projectiles or arrows.

Sorry, I just lost interest in continuing the debate. It's got nothing to do with you, but suddenly I'm too tired to debate, seeing as there is still so much to reply. :b

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Why? Dome doesn't drain his chakra, so what's your point?​

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I'm talking about physics. Whenever an object is in water, the water rises depending on the volume of the object.
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Right so it depends on the size of the object for that to be possible. A water drop isn't going to expand around my hands if I put my whole palm in it. It will put it wont reach out to cover my whole hand

And...? You mean it uses it's sensing rather than using it's eyes? Ephemeral can always trap Manda II, which requires no eyes.​

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Not taking this statement serious without any proof. Itachi can point anywhere, without the opponents looking and he catches them in a genjutsu? Cant wait to see some proof.

 

[KidGamer65]

Mei oh mei KidGamer.


So one can use his Shunshin always effectively in a battle? WHAT are you trying to prove here? Naruto and Ay had one clash, a linear clash both were prepared for and which Naruto dominated with his Shunshin. That Naruto, as most the others, can't use Shunshin effectively in a battle was settled long ago. It's a fact. Naruto didn't use Shunshin all the time because he didn't want to, but because he couldn't. A fight at eye level consists of different maneuvers, use of Ninjutsu, feints and flexibility. One clash isn't a fight, what Naruto did against Obito was a fight that consists of all of those components.

Why are you still mentioning Ay? It being one clash means nothing. Ay used his top speed punch, Naruto evaded it with his Shunshin, meaning that he's faster than Ay at top speed.

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing but the fact that he didn't use it. In fact he did use it, whenever he needed it. The times he didn't use it are the times he simply didn't need it. Absence of evidence buddy.

I can't bother myself to further argue with you about this matter, because if I go by my perception of Manga facts, Naruto COULDN'T use his Shunshin effectively in a fight, up to a point HE was inferior to an opponent. One inattention of him was enough to be targeted by Amaterasu, he couldn't blitz Obito's Base Jinchuriki or avoid their various techniques, Obito was even able to avoid Naruto's attacks without Kamui. THIS is called flexibility in a fight, since when you face another opponent at eye level, something like Shunshin quickly useless, as it canonically was in Naruto's case, because in canon, his Shunshin had no place in this fight. So either agree or disagree, otherwise this debate will turn in circles.

What proof is there that he can't use Shunshin to dodge attacks? That's all I'm claiming he needs to do. Don't waste time looking for it, cause it doesn't exist. There is no reason he can't use D-Rank Ninjutsu to move at high speeds to evade attacks whenever he needs to.

And I'm pretty sure I already stated that Shunshin is useless in a CQC fight. I only said he'll use it to evade Sasuke's attacks, which are mostly projectiles. So why are you even arguing this point?

Prove your words. As I see it, the projectiles instantly hit the Zetsus, there was shown no time to react on incoming projectiles. Yes, in long range, Naruto could avoid them, but in the same time, Naruto can't to anything to Sasuke in long range. He needs to enter Susanoo's range to do something about it. Throwing a Rasenshuriken is useless and I hope you get such simple things, as Sasuke can simply counter it with Enton projectiles or arrows.

Sasuke's Enton burst moves as fast as FRS.

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Enton Magatama have no kind of speed feats, so I simply transferred those over. Unless you have some kind of evidence as to why they'd be faster despite having no speed feats of their own.

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moves as fast as FRS too, why should Enton Magatama be any different?

No, its not, because he can't use Amaterasu on multiple targets. Naruto can throw multiple Rasen Shuriken.

Or he can just use multiple Bijuu Rasengan to destroy his Susanoo. If he blocks the clones using FRS, the clones using Bijuu Rasengan Shunshin behind his Susanoo and slam it into his back, blowing it up and killing him.

Sorry, I just lost interest in continue the debate. It's got nothing to do with you, but suddenly I'm too tired to debate, seeing as there is still so much to reply. :b

lol, its cool.

 

[Beans2]

Imo KCM Naruto beats Sasuke, but he can't take Sasuke and Kabuto at the same time

@EjBlack Manda II isn't much of a factor here seeing as it can be sealed with Totsuka or killed by Rasenshuriken.

 

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If it did absorb chakra, why would Kisame approach him here to absorb his chakra [

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]? If it did, why was B able to sustain his jinchūriki form? Don't take things too literally. The water doesn't suck the chakra, he does.​

Right so it depends on the size of the object for that to be possible. A water drop isn't going to expand around my hands if I put my whole palm in it. It will put it wont reach out to cover my whole hand

Well, on one instance Kisame's jutsu is impossible due to physics, and on the other the water isn't being held in a complete shape. It's like blowing wind on paper that has been partially ripped and blowing one that isn't.​

Not taking this statement serious without any proof. Itachi can point anywhere, without the opponents looking and he catches them in a genjutsu? Cant wait to see some proof.

Here [

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[Brother Numpsay]

If it did absorb chakra, why would Kisame approach him here to absorb his chakra [

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]? If it did, why was B able to sustain his jinchūriki form? Don't take things too literally. The water doesn't suck the chakra, he does.​

Because you are now assuming the water prison has the same absorbing speed as Samehada. Your wasting my time if you are going deny Kisame's words in front of my face, while we are reading it together. Kisame was clear that Suiro Same Odori No Jutsu will suck out all BUT last dregs of chakra. If you see V2 not being absorbed, so what? We can't deny that it means Kisame contradicted himself. We can conclude that the Dome is then absorbing internal chakra then external being used.

Kisame absorbs natural energy internally and its gg.

Well, on one instance Kisame's jutsu is impossible due to physics, and on the other the water isn't being held in a complete shape. It's like blowing wind on paper that has been partially ripped and blowing one that isn't.​

Who cares if its impossible to physics its not holding the size of an island until proof, period. Even if it did, that Dome supports Kabuto more then Kisame.

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Lmao that didn't proof anything. You just post a scan of Itachi stating he has another way to make contact with Genjutsu, and not just his eyes.

 

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Because you are now assuming the water prison has the same absorbing speed as Samehada. Your wasting my time if you are going deny Kisame's words in front of my face, while we are reading it together. Kisame was clear that Suiro Same Odori No Jutsu will suck out all BUT last dregs of chakra. If you see V2 not being absorbed, so what? We can't deny that it means Kisame contradicted himself. We can conclude that the Dome is then absorbing internal chakra then external being used.

Kisame absorbs natural energy internally and its gg.

1. You still haven't answered my question. 'So what' isn't proving anything here.

2. The bold is not just a heavy contradiction, but also baseless. Where did that come from?

3. I'm not ignorant; the jutsu can be interpreted in many ways. One can say he was never talking about the water, the other could state what you say and the third could say that it exhausts the body enough that one isn't able to generate more chakra. There are scenarios that contradict the claim.​

Who cares if its impossible to physics its not holding the size of an island until proof, period. Even if it did, that Dome supports Kabuto more then Kisame.

l0l, What? Are you going to stay ignorant?​

Lmao that didn't proof anything. You just post a scan of Itachi stating he has another way to make contact with Genjutsu, and not just his eyes.

Exactly; he can point at his targets and bind them in illusion. 'Just a finger is enough'. Doesn't tell you anything?

Also, here Naruto states he can trap one with a single finger [

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[Brother Numpsay]

1. You still haven't answered my question. 'So what' isn't proving anything here.

2. The bold is not just a heavy contradiction, but also baseless. Where did that come from?

3. I'm not ignorant; the jutsu can be interpreted in many ways. One can say he was never talking about the water, the other could state what you say and the third could say that it exhausts the body enough that one isn't able to generate more chakra. There are scenarios that contradict the claim.​

1. Yes I answered your question. Dome being able to absorb chakra doesn't mean it has the same priorities of absorbing chakra like Samehada. The same to further prove my point of Kisame's personal absorption ability is here[

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]. Does Kisame absorption ability = Same as Samehada? No.

2. No its your fail of interpretation nothing the manga is contradicting.

3. You are very ignorant, you rather go with your interpretation then to believe the manga is right. That fact that you said he isn't talking about the water, when the scans shows the translation of what tech he is talking about.

l0l, What? Are you going to stay ignorant?​

The only person being ignorant here is you. You claim that something that ha way more volume and way more mass is going to stretch out the water with less mass and less volume.

So before I even go further. Are you claims that the same can be said wither Perfect Susanoo and Shin Sūsenju is being summoned too?

Exactly; he can point at his targets and bind them in illusion. 'Just a finger is enough'. Doesn't tell you anything?

Also, here Naruto states he can trap one with a single finger [

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Once again claiming you aren't being ignorant when you claims contradict Itachi's finger genjutsu usage. CONTACT with the finger is MANDATORY TO WORK PERIOD. Finger Genjutsu DOES NOT attack ANY OTHER 4 senses, FACT!

 

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1. Yes I answered your question. Dome being able to absorb chakra doesn't mean it has the same priorities of absorbing chakra like Samehada. The same to further prove my point of Kisame's personal absorption ability is here[

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]. Does Kisame absorption ability = Same as Samehada? No.

2. No its your fail of interpretation nothing the manga is contradicting.

3. You are very ignorant, you rather go with your interpretation then to believe the manga is right. That fact that you said he isn't talking about the water, when the scans shows the translation of what tech he is talking about.

Then let's drop the subject and agree on your point. It's a subjective matter.

But this also doesn't even hinder the second team's chances. They win either way anyway.​

The only person being ignorant here is you. You claim that something that ha way more volume and way more mass is going to stretch out the water with less mass and less volume.

So before I even go further. Are you claims that the same can be said wither Perfect Susanoo and Shin Sūsenju is being summoned too?

I won't reply since I agree with your previous post now.​

Once again claiming you aren't being ignorant when you claims contradict Itachi's finger genjutsu usage. CONTACT with the finger is MANDATORY TO WORK PERIOD. Finger Genjutsu DOES NOT attack ANY OTHER 4 senses, FACT!

Uhh... what? What kind of contact? Eye contact? Skin contact? Chakra/aura contact? Because Itachi needed none. Just a seal and a finger.

Doesn't attack other four senses? While Naruto was in Genjutsu, Kakashi and Itachi were fighting - he heard nothing [

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]. While Sakura & Chiyo were tapping on his shoulders, he felt nothing [

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]. All he felt and heard was what happened within the Genjutsu.

So because other Genjutsu e.g. Tsukuyomi haven't shown to affect smell and taste, they can't do that? Try to even be serious here. Once Manda II is in Ephemeral, it's completely hallucinating.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

First off. How do you think hashirama and kurinai puts their opponet under their genjutsu

 

[Rιver]

First off. How do you think hashirama and kurinai puts their opponet under their genjutsu

From Databook:

Spoiler

GENJUTSU; Magen: Jubaku Satsu (Genjutsu; Demonic Illusion: Woodbound Assassination)
User: Yuuhi Kurenai
Supplementary; Close range; Rank: B

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One of the Genjutsu that have been passed along since ancient times in Konohagakure. One is completely robbed of their mobility as they see the mirage of a tree coiling itself around them! Given that the subject remains conscious, this jutsu proves extremely efficient for information-gathering.

Caption

-Ensnared and captured. Such is the nefarious influence of the dire tree!!

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-The illusory tree entwines itself around the subject!!

-Attacking once the target is immobile, stripping away their life is but another way in which Jubaku Satsu may be used.

Nothing mentioned about the execution, so enlighten me if you're aware. I don't know this is relevant though if Itachi has stated that pointing finger at his target is enough to trap one in Genjutsu. This isn't even needed, since a Totsuka either way takes Manda II down with ease if it turns out to be trouble.​