DMS Kakashi and BSM Minato vs Naruto and Sasuke

[RustledJimmies]

Naturally how else would they have a chance?

So, are you admitting that Sasuke beats them if they start out in his range (it should be about 100m) ?

Well I am the threadmaker. Deal with it.

It doesn't make it any less biased, but whatever, it's irrelevant to the topic either way.

He still had to run in obito's and sakura's direction before jumping. And it was only to switch himself nothing points to him switching objects with each other outside his standard range.

Viz suggested that objects increase his range :

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"I can shift myself between spaces. though only over a finite distance... but I made it here thanks to that", he explains one of his abilities (to shift himself between spaces) and then explains that he can only do that over a finite distance (his limited range, which is around 100 m), BUT (implying that the place he teleported to was out of his range) he made it there thanks to THAT (implying Sakura's jacket was the reason he got there even though Sakura was out of his range).

Doesn't have to. Intangibility protects him from the initial st jump (if he's in range) and based on what happened last chapter he should be able to dodge. Or at the very least remain intangible while minato jumps him back via ftg.

He has to activate Kamui at the moment of the attack in order to phase through, he isn't reacting to the attack, not when Juubi Jin Madara couldn't, Sasuke never used his S/T on Sakura, Kakashi grabbed her when he was about to use it, that isn't a feat that allows him to react to his S/T. Minato needs to mark him before he can teleport him back.

I don't see sasuke' s susanoo beating armored flying kurama. Especially considering the cloak and senjutsu boost.

His featless PS isn't adding anything to Minato's cloak, Sasuke has shown better DC than both of them did [

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senpou Bijuu Dama's that can be charged
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Meanwhile, Sasuke sits right there and waits for the Bijuu Dama to be charged, correct ?

If kakashi's aren't doing anything to sasukes' s then sasuke's aren't doing anything to kakashi's.

Lel, what kind of terrible logic is this ? Sasuke has feats, Kakashi doesn't, feats say that Sasuke has better DC (and consequently, better defense), the same doesn't apply to Kakashi.

Fazing is automatic.

Lmao, no, he has to activate the attack on his own, otherwise he would phase through anything he touches.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

yup,these two get stomped. We would probably see a kakashi vs kaguya thread soon with the way things are going

The hype is to real. With no manga next week it's gonna be a long 2 weeks on the base

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol...I didn't even think about that. Kamui is pretty much useless then.

Why would that even Matter though? Sasuke's PS isn't bigger the juubi which kakashi already said he can kamui.

 

[genii96]

The hype is to real. With no manga next week it's gonna be a long 2 weeks on the base

yup,really long

Why would that even Matter though? Sasuke's PS isn't bigger the juubi which kakashi already said he can kamui.

huh?,when did he say that?

 

[RustledJimmies]

yup,really long



huh?,when did he say that?

I think he means that scan when Kakashi said he would make the Juubi vanish, but to do that, he would have to charge Kamui for longer, and it should be enough time to blitz him, as Obito had enough time to warp in front of him.

 

[Mishima]

This is just ridiculous. Either Sasuke or Naruto could solo low difficulty.

 

[KidGamer65]

false

True. Pre Markings won't help since he can't blitz Naruto, unless he wants to end up without an arm like he did against Madara.

considering the boosts given by the cloak (at the very least 3 times what was shown) I'm not so sure. Bm on its own tanked juubi lazer. Throw in sm and a boosted ps the only thing I see getting through is bijudama frs.

The Juubi's laser merely tore through a Mountain Range. Lava RS bisected the Shinju. His Chakra Arms briefly matched chakra arms that broke open Perfect Susanoo, and

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breaks it as explained below.

Naruto isn't the only clone user, (multiple clones=multiple barriers) there's the possibility of Kakashi making the susanno go ghost mode or just picking them off via snipe or dodging all together with ftg.

Then all Naruto has to do is attack him so that he can't redirect it, such as attacking him up close and slamming the attack into them melee style (Especially combined with the Shunshin they won't react to).

And Kakashi making Susanoo go ghost mode is fanfic until something implies he can do so.

Minato already jumped chakra arms.

With S/T Barrier?

Thats the 5 tails steam right? Looked it up and wiki didn't show up.

Yeah, I have no idea what its English name is, but it tore through a chakra arm from Kaguya, and 5 of those busted open Sasuke's Rikudo Chakra Powered Perfect Susanoo, BSM cloak doesn't compare, especially since PS's durability is at least, as much as it can dish out. A barrage of punches from a strength boosted Naruto will wreck both their defenses.

slightly mitigated via the x 10+ boost the cloak and sm gives.

Not really, considering BSM Naruto armored Sasuke's Susanoo with the same cloak, and its still fodder to his current Susanoo.

cutting through rocks?

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Cutting through Chibaku Tensei spheres, which have shown to be MUCH more durable than Mountains of the same size since an

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Madara's PS, and Mokujin were fighting in.

Sasuke absolutely rapes the BSM PS combo.

Doesn't need to. Ftg dodges it outright.

Sasuke delivered multiple slashes in multiple directions via shockwaves (Since his sword can't cut the meteor by itself due to being much smaller) as the Bijuu Dama exploded. Minato isn't evading anything, no matter where he teleports, the attack will reach him and he'll get hit.

Not to mention constantly teleporting a Susanoo and a BM Avatar together is going to tank his chakra reserves, mainly the chakra Kurama gives him to enter Bijuu Mode. He'll end up reverting and its GG no Re.

Or Sasuke can get in range with PS and combine that with his Rinnegan to blitz them, meaning no teleportation or escape.

... lol no. He started diving long before naruto threw it. And they were moving in completely opposite directions. Nothing suggests it moves that fast.

Scan shows them attacking side by side, meaning it was at the same time. Not to mention they both went straight up in the same direction, except Naruto was further to the left and Sasuke was to the right.

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So no, you're clearly wrong. And yes, it does move fast considering an ordinary Bijuu Dama from K

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, and this Naruto is>>>>>Kurama. Not to mention it traveled from his point to far above Mountain level in height in a matter of seconds.

considering cooldown it's not gonna always work.

Doesn't need to anymore. As Genii stated, Susanoo prevents Sasuke from being seen, when he wants it to be, so Kamui is useless.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why would that even Matter though? Sasuke's PS isn't bigger the juubi which kakashi already said he can kamui.

Bigger object=Longer charge=Sasuke evades it. Not to mention its unknown how much of it he would have warped away.

yup,these two get stomped. We would probably see a kakashi vs kaguya thread soon with the way things are going

Lmao, can't say I'd be surprised. I've already seen some claims that DMS Obito can beat Kaguya.

 

[genii96]

I think he means that scan when Kakashi said he would make the Juubi vanish, but to do that, he would have to charge Kamui for longer, and it should be enough time to blitz him, as Obito had enough time to warp in front of him.

i am pretty sure he would have killed himself doing that.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So, are you admitting that Sasuke beats them if they start out in his range (it should be about 100m) ?

Yeah. Obviously. They're the chosen ones.

It doesn't make it any less biased, but whatever, it's irrelevant to the topic either way.

So Why'd you bring it up? Lol stick to topic.

Viz suggested that objects increase his range :

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"I can shift myself between spaces. though only over a finite distance... but I made it here thanks to that",

That means he can switch with things outside his range if he focused on it. It doesn't mean he can switch objects outside his range with objects(other than himself) inside his range. Hence why he said "myself".

he explains one of his abilities (to shift himself between spaces) and then explains that he can only do that over a finite distance (his limited range, which is around 100 m), BUT (implying that the place he teleported to was out of his range) he made it there thanks to THAT (implying Sakura's jacket was the reason he got there even though Sakura was out of his range).

Yeah. He switched himself with the jacket outside his range. That doesn't mean he can bring kakashi (who's outside his range) to him without switching places himself.

He has to activate Kamui at the moment of the attack

or he activates it prior.like obito always does.

Sasuke never used his S/T on Sakura

He wasn't fast enough.
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Kakashi grabbed her when he was about to use it, that isn't a feat that allows him to react to his S/T

r u sure? Cuz that's kakashi doing actions (grabbing Sakura and dodging the hand(something naruto and sasuke needed a clone to help them do) before Sasuke can use his already prepped st.
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Minato needs to mark him before he can teleport him back

Seeing how long it took sasuke to focus to jump things outside his range minato should be able to mark kakashi.

His featless PS isn't adding anything to Minato's cloak,

Seeing how its identical to Sasuke's at the very least it's superior to madara's. Then multiply it by ten due to the cloak boost.

Meanwhile, Sasuke sits right there and waits for the Bijuu Dama to be charged, correct ?

What's sasuke gonna do if kakashi charges it in kamui land? Double kamui has already proved to be faster than kaguya's dimensional shifts. Something sasuke already failed to react to.

Lel, what kind of terrible logic is this ? Sasuke has feats, Kakashi doesn't, feats say that Sasuke has better DC (and consequently, better defense), the same doesn't apply to Kakashi.

their susanoo's look exactly the same. Down to the swords and wings. A sm cloak boost should give it comparable damage output and defenses. Even if it doesn't dodging is always an option.

Lmao, no, he has to activate the attack on his own, otherwise he would phase through anything he touches.

As obito already shown when trying to touch Rin its automatic.




One at a time please. I dislike going up against multiple ppl at once it's confusing.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

yup,really long



huh?,when did he say that?

A cloak kakashi was gunna warp the juubi.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Bigger object=Longer charge=Sasuke evades it. Not to mention its unknown how much of it he would have warped away.



Lmao, can't say I'd be surprised. I've already seen some claims that DMS Obito can beat Kaguya.

Evades it how? The only thing that's longer is the charge time. The warp itself is instant and it already proved to be faster than kaguya's dimensional shifts. Something sasuke already failed to react to

 

[BenjerminGaye]

i am pretty sure he would have killed himself doing that.

I doubt it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Evades it how? The only thing that's longer is the charge time. The warp itself is instant and it already proved to be faster than kaguya's dimensional shifts. Something sasuke already failed to react to

Kamui's warp has never been instant. Ever. And I'm pretty sure that the bigger the object, the longer it takes to warp. And, once again, Kamui has never proven to be instant. Kaguya's dimensional shift is instant, her portal isn't instant. The only thing that is instant about it is the traveling time once you go through the portal. Sasuke failed to react to Kaguya because she did the unexpected. Stuck her hand through the portal and grabbed him from behind, something he didn't know she could do.

And he evades it with his flight, or with his Rinnegan.

 

[genii96]

Evades it how? The only thing that's longer is the charge time. The warp itself is instant and it already proved to be faster than kaguya's dimensional shifts. Something sasuke already failed to react to

kakashi cant double kamui at mid-long range,last i checked one eye warps at long eange,another at short range,only way a double kamui is happening is if both eyes focus pon something in the same eange,thus he can only kamui short ranged targets.
Obito used his eyes to synchronize with kaguya's dimension,he didnt kamui anything or have you forgotten what kamuing something does?

I doubt it.

dosent change the fact he would have died. Juubi's fingers are bigger than a bijuu

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kamui's warp has never been instant

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Ever. And I'm pretty sure that the bigger the object, the longer it takes to warp.

the longer it takes to charge not warp

And, once again, Kamui has never proven to be instant.

tell that to onnoki's jinton

Kaguya's dimensional shift is instant

srry I meant the portal

, her portal isn't instant.

never said it was only said kamui is faster than it.

The only thing that is instant about it is the traveling time once you go through the portal

.speculation?

Sasuke failed to react to Kaguya because she did the unexpected.Stuck her hand through the portal and grabbed him from behind, something he didn't know she could do.

Actually that's the second time she did that. So this is a poor excuse. Either way kamui out speeds it.

And he evades it with his flight, or with his Rinnegan.

Not when Kakashi can fly to. As I already said his catching him on the rinne cooldown.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

kakashi cant double kamui at mid-long range,last i checked one eye warps at long eange,another at short range,only way a double kamui is happening is if both eyes focus pon something in the same eange,thus he can only kamui short ranged targets.
Obito used his eyes to synchronize with kaguya's dimension,he didnt kamui anything or have you forgotten what kamuing something does?




dosent change the fact he would have died. Juubi's fingers are bigger than a bijuu

Obito synchronized kamui to it then warped with her to the main dimension. She thought he came in with her meaning he executed the sync and the warp before her portal closed.

You're speculating. His condition matters not since it won't be his condition after using a much smaller kamui on Le sauce's susanno.

 

[Strict]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We talk about a MS user on the one hand and a Shinobi who was boosted by Rikudo Sennin on the other. Sasuke has EMS, Rinnegan and Rikudo's Chakra. Double Kamui is indeed extremely haxxed, but there is a limit. Naruto and Sasuke take it.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Who rated this 5 stars?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. We talk about a MS user on the one hand and a Shinobi who was boosted by Rikudo Sennin on the other. Sasuke has EMS, Rinnegan and Rikudo's Chakra. Double Kamui is indeed extremely haxxed, but there is a limit. Naruto and Sasuke take it.

The only reason I'd agree is because team 1 lacks the ability to react to naruto. (And in some cases sasuke)
The abilities the chosen ones possess are easily handled however.