dojutsu/sensing>overrated kamui

[moihican]

Kamui is one of the most overrated techs in NV. Its getting absurd now.
It has a simple weakness which any skilled dojutsu user/sensor can detect.

To warp an object,kakashi must first,like any ninjutsu mould his chakra and also use a certain amount of chakra depending on the object's size
a skilled dojutsus user can easily see this buildup as they can see chakra within a person's body,the byakugan will see this the easiest.
Skilled sensors can also notice the buildup of chakra in the user's eye. Allowing to take advantage of it's second weakness,the fact that it can be used only on the line of sight of the user. They can do this by(for those that can) using walls/other obstacles,attack first and cause him to loose concentration etc.

That is allU_U

 

[naruttebayo]

kamui is not o/rated

it's just too haxed .....


that's why it's called "authority of god"

 

[riley freeman]

Majority know this also, fast reaction>>kamui snipe

 

[Sasori]

No that is not all to it

 

[Megatolium]

Kamui's weakness is probably an disruption jutsu either using bugs, mist, sand, or anything that can create an disrupting fog.

Since you need to see the enemy to use it, like Amaterasu.

But if you don't have that, GG... If Kakashi can Kamui an speeding Rasengan or Naruto himself, I don't know how anyone would normally escape it.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Yep and I hate Kamui

 

[Exaar]

without info, Even if you sense or see the chakra build up, They would be dumbfounded when they see nothing happening.
Then by the time they notice, Space and time around them is already being distorted and it's already to late, Unless you have an instant S/T and even that isn't a guaranteed escape (depending on reaction times) against a double Ms kamui.



Plus kishi already hyped a 1 Eyed kamui as "no defense is possible" , So think what he is going to do against a double eyed kamui.

 

[TRE MERCER]

without info, Even if you sense or see the chakra build up, They would be dumbfounded when they see nothing happening.
Then by the time they notice, Space and time around them is already being distorted and it's already to late, Unless you have an instant S/T and even that isn't a guaranteed escape (depending on reaction times) against a double Ms kamui.



Plus kishi already hyped a 1 Eyed kamui as "no defense is possible" , So think what he is going to do against a double eyed kamui.

Pretty much this.

 

[VongolaX]

Too bad the kamui owner is a sensor himself.

 

[moihican]

Kamui's weakness is probably an disruption jutsu either using bugs, mist, sand, or anything that can create an disrupting fog.

Since you need to see the enemy to use it, like Amaterasu.

But if you don't have that, GG... If Kakashi can Kamui an speeding Rasengan or Naruto himself, I don't know how anyone would normally escape it.

the clone and rasengan were part of a plan,it wasnt anything special,they l knew what they were doing. He missed deidara and gedo's head.

without info, Even if you sense or see the chakra build up, They would be dumbfounded when they see nothing happening.
Then by the time they notice, Space and time around them is already being distorted and it's already to late, Unless you have an instant S/T and even that isn't a guaranteed escape (depending on reaction times) against a double Ms kamui.



Plus kishi already hyped a 1 Eyed kamui as "no defense is possible" , So think what he is going to do against a double eyed kamui.

the whole point of sensing/seeing the chakra buildup is to make a defence before it comes,fighting against the ms isnt something anyone will take lightly,once he detects/sees the buildup he/she will(if they have the jutsu) make obstacles that would protect them from kakashi's eye as the sharingan/ms largely rely on eye contact/eyesight. This is assuming there is no intel on it,however if there is intel,the person can react much more quickly as he knows whats coming. However,seeing as the entire SA already know about kamui and even the cool down period,intel isnt a problem.

There is no defence when your being warped,but you can always prevent it.
Basically,skilled senso/dojutsu intel=perfect counter to kamui.

Too bad the kamui owner is a sensor himself.

lmao.
Kakashi isnt a sensor
obito isnt a sensor,except when he became a jin,and he cant fully use kamui anyway in that state.

 

[moihican]

Kamui's weakness is probably an disruption jutsu either using bugs, mist, sand, or anything that can create an disrupting fog.

Since you need to see the enemy to use it, like Amaterasu.

But if you don't have that, GG... If Kakashi can Kamui an speeding Rasengan or Naruto himself, I don't know how anyone would normally escape it.

the clone and rasengan were part of a plan,it wasnt anything special,they l knew what they were doing. He missed deidara and gedo's head.

without info, Even if you sense or see the chakra build up, They would be dumbfounded when they see nothing happening.
Then by the time they notice, Space and time around them is already being distorted and it's already to late, Unless you have an instant S/T and even that isn't a guaranteed escape (depending on reaction times) against a double Ms kamui.



Plus kishi already hyped a 1 Eyed kamui as "no defense is possible" , So think what he is going to do against a double eyed kamui.

the whole point of sensing/seeing the chakra buildup is to make a defence before it comes,fighting against the ms isnt something anyone will take lightly,once he detects/sees the buildup he/she will(if they have the jutsu) make obstacles that would protect them from kakashi's eye as the sharingan/ms largely rely on eye contact/eyesight. This is assuming there is no intel on it,however if there is intel,the person can react much more quickly as he knows whats coming. However,seeing as the entire SA already know about kamui and even the cool down period,intel isnt a problem.

There is no defence when your being warped,but you can always prevent it.
Basically,skilled senso/dojutsu intel=perfect counter to kamui.

Too bad the kamui owner is a sensor himself.

lmao.
Kakashi isnt a sensor
obito isnt a sensor,except when he became a jin,and he cant fully use kamui anyway in that state.

 

[VongolaX]

the clone and rasengan were part of a plan,it wasnt anything special,they l knew what they were doing. He missed deidara and gedo's head.



the whole point of sensing/seeing the chakra buildup is to make a defence before it comes,fighting against the ms isnt something anyone will take lightly,once he detects/sees the buildup he/she will(if they have the jutsu) make obstacles that would protect them from kakashi's eye as the sharingan/ms largely rely on eye contact/eyesight. This is assuming there is no intel on it,however if there is intel,the person can react much more quickly as he knows whats coming. However,seeing as the entire SA already know about kamui and even the cool down period,intel isnt a problem.

There is no defence when your being warped,but you can always prevent it.
Basically,skilled senso/dojutsu intel=perfect counter to kamui.



lmao.
Kakashi isnt a sensor
obito isnt a sensor,except when he became a jin,and he cant fully use kamui anyway in that state.

Kakashi isn't a kamui owner, he just borrowed Obito's uchiha powers throufht the series.

Obito was a sensor before becoming the juubi jinchuuriki, during the war Edo Madara pointed it out.

Even when they were scanning dimensions to find Sasuke, Obito said he can sense Sasuke.

 

[moihican]

Kakashi isn't a kamui owner, he just borrowed Obito's uchiha powers throufht the series.

Obito was a sensor before becoming the juubi jinchuuriki, during the war Edo Madara pointed it out.

Even when they were scanning dimensions to find Sasuke, Obito said he can sense Sasuke.

it dosent matter whether he owns the eye or not,he can use it to its full abilities like the original.
When did edo madara say pre jin obito was a sensor?
Obito absorbed the juubi's chakra and alsoo senjutsu from madara before he got both eyes,which is why he can sense.

 

[genii96]

This is common sense. Kamui D-riders would disagree though

 

[Migster257]

That's for long range Kamui. What about intangibility? Kamui GG.

 

[Kamui Sama]

there are very few who can react to kamui even if they can sense it lol

kamui was able to rip-off a piece of the gedo while it was still being summoned. Kakashi also kamui'd 2 full speed susano'o arrows without his MS even activated at first. Not to mention the size of the barrier can be manipulated so the majority of shinobi are not escaping

 

[Silver Wolf]

This chapter made me realize that between MS and EMS there is no difference and the whole getting blind thing depends on the owner himself so maybe the whole blindness stuff isn't a must when it comes to MS. So among all MS powers Kamui is the second most haxed with Shisui's Kotoamatsukami being the no. most haxxed Uhiha jutsu of all time seconed by Kamui

 

[moihican]

That's for long range Kamui. What about intangibility? Kamui GG.

simple,an attack that affects the entire body jandles that. Or just punch him,he becomes intangible,leave your hand there,and he is almost screwed. Lol.or just attack when he wants to attack you(high reaction required)

there are very few who can react to kamui even if they can sense it lol

kamui was able to rip-off a piece of the gedo while it was still being summoned. Kakashi also kamui'd 2 full speed susano'o arrows without his MS even activated at first. Not to mention the size of the barrier can be manipulated so the majority of shinobi are not escaping

sensing the attack means you know its coming before it does,giving ample time to react. Kamui depends on eye sight,if he cant see you,he cant warp you.
He missed gedo mazo's head,which is what he aimed at,and it wasnt even moving fast as minato and kakashi had a brief conversion while it was moving. The arrows came right to his eye,not a good feat.

 

[moihican]

Any other objections?

 

[thebesthyuga]

Why kakashi missed the kamui on gedo's head? Obito stopped the attack,also it says that if you have both kamui your attack works twice as fast,i don't think everyone can escape kamui easily,sensing the attack will be helpful,also yeah you are right prevention can happen but if the guy who is fighting doesn't know about it he will loose. For me kamui isn't that awesome but is pretty good to make someone disappear