Poll: Biggest asspull in the the manga?

[Conspirator.]

To you maybe. But let's wait till Kaguya changes her mind and resets the world again back to no chakra and peaceful shinobi world. With madara and hashirama going shcool together and their parents saying hello to each other while they are dropping them off.That would be a good time to remember DBZ and check if it surpassed the revival.

I have no problem with how Kakashi got Susanoo(the whole Obito spirit transferring chakra/eye powers and what not). But him using PS(the highest level) immediately when Madara/Sasuke apparently had to wait until they got EMS to use it is what makes no sense to me.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

You can't copy Kekkei Genkai techniques. This argument is instantly wrong.

thats completely wrong, madara copied hashirama's wood dragon once he got mokuton from kabuto

You can copy them once you have the dna or the eye to do it

 

[WolfHaley]

No, I was saying how did sasuke use amatarsu on killer bee without training (and also sais how was he able to control his sousano but you guys said he was training but it was off-screen which makes sense since jugo hintd and he had plenty of time unlike when he fought killa b

He didn't need training to access it, but improve it. It doesn't justify Kakashi instantly mastering a technique because Sasuke didn't instantly master Amaterasu or Kagutsuchi.

 

[WolfHaley]

thats completely wrong, madara copied hashirama's wood dragon once he got mokuton from kabuto

You can copy them once you have the dna or the eye to do it

That wasn't copying though. He also had Senju DNA for quite a while while alive, he could have learned to do it then.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

He didn't need training to access it, but improve it. It doesn't justify Kakashi instantly mastering a technique because Sasuke didn't instantly master Amaterasu or Kagutsuchi.

Then what did he do? It was the first time we see sasuke using amatarsu and also he was able to take it back when it was burring karin, the same thing with kakashi it was his first time using sousano and yet he was able to use PS

 

[Untamed]

He didn't need training to access it, but improve it. It doesn't justify Kakashi instantly mastering a technique because Sasuke didn't instantly master Amaterasu or Kagutsuchi.

Obito was the Juubi-Jin at very recent times, he still proved to have a ton of chakra, he just gave it to kakashi and with the eyes, a large perfect susano'o sprang from the surge of chakra manifesting.. a huge amount of powerful chakra

Then what did he do? It was the first time we see sasuke using amatarsu and also he was able to take it back when it was burring karin, the same thing with kakashi it was his first time using sousano and yet he was able to use PS

Sasuke first used amateratsu before he ever awakened his own MS.. he used it because Itachi forced him to when he saw Obito's eye. During the fight with Bee, Sasuke remembers the feeling of releasing Amateratsu from his eye, so he just tried hard to take it back and he succeeded.

I have no problem with how Kakashi got Susanoo(the whole Obito spirit transferring chakra/eye powers and what not). But him using PS(the highest level) immediately when Madara/Sasuke apparently had to wait until they got EMS to use it is what makes no sense to me.

Kakashi got a power-up similar to Naruto and Sasuke received from Hagoromo.. Kakashi's just came from another "dead" former Juubi-Jinchuriki

 

[Complex]

Heres my response to everything as a whole since the thread I posted this in has been closed sigh..

Guys don't go Crazy if something happens in the manga, and you think it's an asspull, or it's not logical, etc. Just wait for the Manga to finish, and when the manga is finished and your questions haven't been answered, then you go crazy, and you could complain. Because If remember right(I might be wrong) but I think Kishi said he would answer all the questions in the manga. Us fans just have to be patient, you know what I mean?

 

[Waltz]

thats completely wrong, madara copied hashirama's wood dragon once he got mokuton from kabuto

You can copy them once you have the dna or the eye to do it

...And what you fail to realize is that he could have only used the jutsu he copied after he accessed the Rin'negan.​

 

[hixa kuogame]

A pretty good point. I wonder how come I didn't see any thread yet wondering about the concept of after death in Naruto. None of the edo tensies wonder about their time after death or heaven of hell all that much. All of it are just dimensions. They die and then float around as long as they chakra lingers in universe moving as long as they have that much energy/chakra left or had the ability to pass through of dimensions in one way or another. Sometimes they get help from some Edo tensie user but it happens. The small traces of DNA they left behind is often enough to make a connection.

..That's true. Perhaps there are several particular dimensions which the dead reside and they might not all conflict with one another. That could explain why Kakashi's plane with his father is totally different from Rin and Obito's. Or perhaps the dimensions and transferrable. Rin said she had been waiting and saying "let's go" as if there were other places to go. They would have the capabilities of traveling to the dimension of Sakumo. Traveling back to the living world, on the other hand has been depicted as something that can be done through life and death ninjutsu like rinne tensei, edo tensei, or a dimension traveling kamui equal to Kaguya's.

Quite possibly, the same way Indra and Ashura have. Ira's post made me realize that there is way to cross from the afterlife to living world without Kamui, as they obviously did it.

You can say it was casual line of throw-away dialogue. I can however say it shows that there is more than one method to transverse between the two worlds. Telling him to hurry up shows there's a method of transversing, and another method of doing it faster. Obito chose to use Kamui because he needed to hurry and it was what he knew and was used to. Simply because we can't conceive and/or state an alternative method in this debate, doesn't mean they don't exist. We couldn't conceive the methods as to how Naruto and Sasuke would be saved, but it happened. There was a time when we couldn't conceive how Kakashi would have purpose in this fight again, but it's here. Same applies to this scenario.

 

[Loki d]

He didn't need training to access it, but improve it. It doesn't justify Kakashi instantly mastering a technique because Sasuke didn't instantly master Amaterasu or Kagutsuchi.

He didn't master it you guys, the user can willing switch Susanoo forms, it may seem like sasuke was going through the forms but hey he might not have known about Perfect Susanoo meaning he didn't know how to work it or (Kages summit) he didn't want to waste chakra before because he had to fight Danzo but he used so much chakra on them already or was unable to do so because he was going to go blind from overuse and hatred. Maybe Kishinev wanted to wait to bring in Perfect Susanoo for these epic battles

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

That wasn't copying though. He also had Senju DNA for quite a while while alive, he could have learned to do it then.

he implanted a tiny piece of hashirama, that certainly wasnt capable of giving him mokuton compared to a huge hashirama face kabuto got or danzo got, he didnt even awaken rinnegan until he was almost dead

 

[Avani]

I have no problem with how Kakashi got Susanoo(the whole Obito spirit transferring chakra/eye powers and what not). But him using PS(the highest level) immediately when Madara/Sasuke apparently had to wait until they got EMS to use it is what makes no sense to me.

Why do you think Kishi tried to remind us he is a copy ninja? He saw it before but gained the actual chakra and both eyes just now to be able to use it.

Yea it was a bit of stretch but it's a manga. Most stories lead to their success by a series of lucky coincidences. What makes it that that bad to class it that bad or react endlessly?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Obito was the Juubi-Jin at very recent times, he still proved to have a ton of chakra, he just gave it to kakashi and with the eyes, a large perfect susano'o sprang from the surge of chakra manifesting.. a huge amount of powerful chakra



Sasuke first used amateratsu before he ever awakened his own MS.. he used it because Itachi forced him to when he saw Obito's eye. During the fight with Bee, Sasuke remembers the feeling of releasing Amateratsu from his eye, so he just tried hard to take it back and he succeeded.

Yup and please don't tell me that's not similar to kakashi current stioution

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

...And what you fail to realize is that he could have only used the jutsu he copied after he accessed the Rin'negan.​

he had enough trouble keeping himself alive by remaining hooked to the gedo lawl, he isnt going around using large scale jutsus

plus he himself said he wants to try hashirama techs when he got revived by kabuto, the tiny piece of hashirama wouldnt be enough to get mokuton

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[lilenesaron]

Kakashi is the "copy ninja" he used several techniques perfectly on the first try. He saw the perfect susano'o several times, whereas Sasuke never saw it and it came naturally after a few tries. It makes sense.. It's just that it happened so quickly that it seems unreasonable.

everyone seems to forget that susano of any form is a kekkei genkai technique and kakashi said he cant copy bloodline techniques. sohow he pulled of on a first try is total bs

 

[Loki d]

he implanted a tiny piece of hashirama, that certainly wasnt capable of giving him mokuton compared to a huge hashirama face kabuto got or danzo got, he didnt even awaken rinnegan until he was almost dead

Thank you, these people don't understand that these things are possible

 

[Untamed]

Why do you think Kishi tried to remind us he is a copy ninja? He saw it before but gained the actual chakra and both eyes just now to be able to use it.

Yea it was a bit of stretch but it's a manga. Most stories lead to their success by a series of lucky coincidences. What makes it that that bad to class it that bad or react endlessly?

its not really a stretch.. Sasuke shouted the name of rock lee's jutsu "dancing leaf shadow" before rock lee completely performed the jutsu on Sasuke. In this manga, learning something you've seen over & over makes sense if you have the tools to use it.

Yup and please don't tell me that's not similar to kakashi current stioution

I said they are similar >.>

 

[Jon Snow.]

So far,most definitely.

I'm still chuckling from reading the chapter 14hrs ago.Smfh.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

its not really a stretch.. Sasuke shouted the name of rock lee's jutsu "dancing leaf shadow" before rock lee completely performed the jutsu on Sasuke. In this manga, learning something you've seen over & over makes sense if you have the tools to use it.



I said they are similar >.>

My bad bruh

 

[WolfHaley]

Obito was the Juubi-Jin at very recent times, he still proved to have a ton of chakra, he just gave it to kakashi and with the eyes, a large perfect susano'o sprang from the surge of chakra manifesting.. a huge amount of powerful chakra



Sasuke first used amateratsu before he ever awakened his own MS.. he used it because Itachi forced him to when he saw Obito's eye. During the fight with Bee, Sasuke remembers the feeling of releasing Amateratsu from his eye, so he just tried hard to take it back and he succeeded.



Kakashi got a power-up similar to Naruto and Sasuke received from Hagoromo.. Kakashi's just came from another "dead" former Juubi-Jinchuriki

A large amount of chakra erupting doesn't justify how Kakashi instantly became able to stabilize it.

he implanted a tiny piece of hashirama, that certainly wasnt capable of giving him mokuton compared to a huge hashirama face kabuto got or danzo got, he didnt even awaken rinnegan until he was almost dead

Due to the fact that Madara was Ashura's host and was naturally an Uchiha with an immense amount of very powerful chakra, it's safe to assume that he had better and greater access to Mokuton techniques than them. Rinnegan is also independent of Mokuton as Nagato could aptly use the eyes with Mokuton, and Yamato and Danzo got access to Mokuton without Rinnegan.