[Discussion] Well i guess the databook is finally outdated entirely

[AnimusOra]

Kakashi gaining Susanoo in this recent chapter has left me wondering on what really are the requirements for an uchiha to obtain Susanoo? He doesn't have Amaterasu nor Tsyukiomi, this also can show that Sasuke doesn't have Tsyukiomi mainly because he didn't need it in the first place. Another thing i am finding a little strange is that it was also hinted that the only ones who could obtain a perfect susanoo had Indra's chakra in them. It all made sense untill seeing Kakashi having one if that is the case does that mean that Itachi and Shisui had one as well? If they did why did they not let it come out in fruition? Im sorry guys i know that this recent chapter confused everyone and these are just some of the questions i have.....

 

[Sovereignty]

Big ass asspull

 

[itachi kitty]

itachi was to sick nf shiusi doesnt hv susano

 

[Gokuy]

asspull like everyone says

 

[Sentinelsgalore]

You just confused me even more, I haven't been this confused since it showed how kakashi first gained his mangekyou.

 

[AnimusOra]

itachi was to sick nf shiusi doesnt hv susano

The point about it being is why didn't they? We knew Itachi was sick and Shisui had KA but if someone who had only one technique(like shisui) could use it why couldn't he? Also, Why didn't Itachi perform a Perfect Susanoo? Even if he was sick it doesn't mean that he couldn't have pulled one out? These are contradictions about who and how someone can use Susanoo and a Perfect Susanoo for that matter.

 

[AnimusOra]

Big ass asspull

asspull like everyone says

It is but Kishi always covers his asspull into the story. From what im getting from this is there will be a flashback in regards to Susanoo soon or something in terms of Susanoo

You just confused me even more, I haven't been this confused since it showed how kakashi first gained his mangekyou.

Well don't feel bad dude because im equally as confused. :/ those are the first things that popped into my head when i saw Susanoo but a Perfect one?? it was mindblowing!

 

[MickNerks]

In order to unlock Susanoo you just have to unlock both MS abilities in each eye. Obito has unlocked both abilities so he should be able to activate susanoo.

 

[T0bidara]

it's not just outdated Kishi just shit all over it set it on fire pissed out the flames shit on it again then wiped his ass with the remains......

 

[AnimusOra]

In order to unlock Susanoo you just have to unlock both MS abilities in each eye. Obito has unlocked both abilities so he should be able to activate susanoo.

One eye for a Kamui from far away and one Kamui from his eye. But the problem there is that both Obito and Kakashi seemed to have been doing the same thing with each of the eyes?

it's not just outdated Kishi just shit all over it set it on fire pissed out the flames shit on it again then wiped his ass with the remains......

Yeah he might have but i want to understand what happend instead of being mad about it

 

[Cael]

Big ass asspull

LMAO you must be very angry atm, poor sasuke fans.

 

[AnimusOra]

LMAO you must be very angry atm, poor sasuke fans.

Even though its a story some people still get upset over it. But the way i see it too is if someone gets this upset about the story. The writer can create a good story.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Kakashi gaining Susanoo in this recent chapter has left me wondering on what really are the requirements for an uchiha to obtain Susanoo? He doesn't have Amaterasu nor Tsyukiomi, this also can show that Sasuke doesn't have Tsyukiomi mainly because he didn't need it in the first place. Another thing i am finding a little strange is that it was also hinted that the only ones who could obtain a perfect susanoo had Indra's chakra in them. It all made sense untill seeing Kakashi having one if that is the case does that mean that Itachi and Shisui had one as well? If they did why did they not let it come out in fruition? Im sorry guys i know that this recent chapter confused everyone and these are just some of the questions i have.....

Itachi and Shisui probably didn't have one and I assume the only reason Obito did was because he was with Madara who probably told him the tricks to reaching PS. After all he was "using him" so he'd want him to be strong enough to last.

 

[AnimusOra]

Itachi and Shisui probably didn't have one and I assume the only reason Obito did was because he was with Madara who probably told him the tricks to reaching PS. After all he was "using him" so he'd want him to be strong enough to last.

That does make alot of sense. Exactly what Madara tought Obito has yet to be seen. Another reference to it could be when Obito told Madara "Madara, don't you want to know what these two eyes are capable of?" Right before they both used Kamui to get Obito to the other dimension to help Naruto. But then what are the real requirments to obtain a Susanoo? Is it wo techniques in each eye to unlock a third? is PS a fourth technique then?

 

[chopstickchakra]

That does make alot of sense. Exactly what Madara tought Obito has yet to be seen. Another reference to it could be when Obito told Madara "Madara, don't you want to know what these two eyes are capable of?" Right before they both used Kamui to get Obito to the other dimension to help Naruto. But then what are the real requirments to obtain a Susanoo? Is it wo techniques in each eye to unlock a third? is PS a fourth technique then?

I'm not sure people seem to count techs differently. I see it as each eye gets one MS power. I don't count Susano'o as a MS power really because it's more of a combination but I suppose you could, so let's say Susano'o is the 3rd MS tech you learn but only after learning your base 2(which ARE NOT exclusive to a person or else Sasuke wouldn't have Amaterasu, so there could be/could have been multiple Kamui/KA/Ama/etc. users) PS would just be an elevated form of the 3rd eye tech, it's like Raikiri to Chidori, same justu different scale.

My biggest problem with the whole thing is this. It says only those who unlock the power of both MS techs. Has there ever been anyone or any evidence that anyone could unlock MS in one eye at a time? If one eye turns MS(because of hatred) then the other eye should change as well at the same time. Kakashi's eye evolved to MS the day Obito killed the Mist Ninja even though it wasn't in his body so it appears the eyes transform together. If that's the case as it seems, how would anyone with MS not have Susano'o?

 

[ThilinaC]

Well I am not sure this can be considered as canon or not but the latest Naruto game Shisui does have his own version of a green susanno that is designed and created by Kishimoto sensei. Also it seems it have Shisui's backstory which is done by Kishimoto sensei as well.

Anyway this is an asspull and I am confused(and annoyed) as same as you mate, but hey all we know maybe in next weeks first panel Kakashi could collapse due to chakra exhaustion(unlikely tho) and right now there is not much data available to analyze Kakashi's situation. I would've been okay with 2 mangekyo's but a PS come on that's too much specially in the first try, I am not a huge Sasuke fan and even I agree that for the past few weeks he's been not served right by Kishi.

 

[xyungmili]

one power in the left eye
one power in te right eye
then susano'o

Obito had long range kamui and self Kamui
Itachi had Tsukuyomi and Amatarasu
Sasuke has Amatarasu and flame control

Its obvious that it's the 3rd technique
proof is Sasuke didnt use Susanoo ubtil he used Amatarasu and flame control

 

[Draxus]

I made a thread a few months ago about how I can't believe people still think the Databook is accurate about how to unlock Susano'O. It became outdate way back when Sasuke first used it!

 

[Trollasaur]

The point about it being is why didn't they? We knew Itachi was sick and Shisui had KA but if someone who had only one technique(like shisui) could use it why couldn't he? Also, Why didn't Itachi perform a Perfect Susanoo? Even if he was sick it doesn't mean that he couldn't have pulled one out? These are contradictions about who and how someone can use Susanoo and a Perfect Susanoo for that matter.

Shisui did have susano'o

 

[Floydical]

Why do people think Ama/ Tsyu are requirements? The databooks only said that because Itachi was the only example at the time. Madara never showed having either so Susanoo only requires double MS, nothing else. And whats with people thinking Ashura/ Indra chakra is required for something like PS? Never was that stated nor was it stated that PS required EMS.

Itachi didn't progress enough to use PS. Upgrades in the war and all.