~So let me try to understand this character Naruto Uzumaki~

[Hyuga Prodigy]

Actually that's fits very much with the whole point of the series. To break the cycle of hate, conquering your own hate, understanding from where your enemy was coming from and forgiving each other and moving on. We have seen it throughout the series.

Yea, I understand the concept of breaking the endless cycle of hate but to idealize someone who killed his parents and everyone he loved,I would be definitely not call him "the coolest guy" or "Awesome" for wanting to become the hokage. That totally crossed the line.

If you think you would do that, then you are in a delusion.

No human is insane enough to call his parents' murderer the "coolest guy"


Atleast what he did to Nagato in that regard is that he try to attempt to negotiate him to Tnj even despite he still hate him, in the end he gave some respect and to feel sympathy for his death when he restored the villagers and he was victimized. Atleast what I remembered, Naruto never forgave Nagato. He never said you're awesome something along the line to Nagato. Compare to nagato, Obito did alot more bad things, and yet he forgive him easily which I find this irrational.

It's a fantasy- it's going to advocate for ideals. You may disagree about whom the hero should forgive or not but it's nothing to do with realism because it's your opinion vs the message author wants to give. Just different POVs and ethical values.

You state that Kishi is the author while you also take the role of the author of Naruto. Kishi has stated that Naruto is not the main point of the story, not alone. He and his friends are, he is part of the main point, not the main point alone. What Naruto just did is the act of the betrayal of his friends. People who see things tend to express their feelings on whether it was good, bad or ugly. We are involved in these things because we like the manga and us viewers expected the theme that Kishi portrayed realistically from part 1 and the first half of Shippuden to follow things accordingly. However lately, lots of things went inconsistencies and contradicts the main theme of Naruto.

So if it's a fiction that you speak of, then this should'v never been for teens. It should'v been like Pokemon it's like what you're trying to imply.

Anyone has a right to show kindness to anyone. That one right cannot be denied. Especially at least for personal injuries.
It's very personal sentiment. You cannot dictate personal feelings.

Frankly, for a hateful person that is if Obito had remained so, chances are forgiveness would have been quite annoying. They both acknowledged each others' gesture.

His kindness are illogical. At least display some form of realism, but then this recent chapter ruined what little goodwill a had left for Naruto.... There is nothing he could do to right his wrongs plain an simple and because of that he is an unrealistic character which is why people don't like him, and yes this is subjective matter, but what can we relate to his "kindness" to an enemy someone like Osamu

 

[HUZIS]

cmon...

BZ is the one who manipulated every Uchiha

He Tricked Madara
Madara Tricked Obito
Obito has been tricked soooo deep, it s hurts so much that naruto is forgiving his stupidness

forgiving him, is the only way to show kaguya, that the world s with naruto a better place to live

Hope, that he convince her to stop that shit
BZ will be the FINAL BOSSSSSHOOSSSSS

 

[Complex]

People are still posting in this thread 0_0
This must be some really hot topic

 

[Avani]

People are still posting in this thread 0_0
This must be some really hot topic

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More like same people bumping it up with very same argument and objections repeatedly. Also A few threads were merged last week and were guided to this thread.

Yea closing the thread soon as the new chapter is going to be released. It had it's course.

Yea, I understand the concept of breaking the endless cycle of hate but to idealize someone who killed his parents and everyone he loved,I would be definitely not call him "the coolest guy" or "Awesome" for wanting to become the hokage. That totally crossed the line.

If you think you would do that, then you are in a delusion.

What I would do is not even the issue. Why try to turn it to me? Naruto's ideal are the topic, keep it to that.

No human is insane enough to call his parents' murderer the "coolest guy"

Nice emotional argument. 'Doesn't work in the context. Since this issue was addressed already. You are just being obstinate- almost as obstinate as Naruto on the issue so it's an stalemate.

I noticed you used coolest as against awesome to emphasize your argument. He was speaking Japanese. Translation translation..

Atleast what he did to Nagato in that regard is that he try to attempt to negotiate him to Tnj even despite he still hate him, in the end he gave some respect and to feel sympathy for his death when he restored the villagers and he was victimized. Atleast what I remembered, Naruto never forgave Nagato. He never said you're awesome something along the line to Nagato. Compare to nagato, Obito did alot more bad things, and yet he forgive him easily which I find this irrational.

Why the same dialogue would be repeated? And he was pretty friendly with him and kind of thanked him when he met him as an edo. You might as well accuse him of thanking Nagato for stabbing Hinata. *shrug*

You state that Kishi is the author while you also take the role of the author of Naruto.

Really? lol I am not the one trying to push my ideas about how it should be on the writer. Just accepting what he did with his plot. You are the one, trying to steal his rights of writing it how he would and telling him he is doing it wrong.

Kishi has stated that Naruto is not the main point of the story, not alone. He and his friends are, he is part of the main point, not the main point alone. What Naruto just did is the act of the betrayal of his friends. People who see things tend to express their feelings on whether it was good, bad or ugly. We are involved in these things because we like the manga and us viewers expected the theme that Kishi portrayed realistically from part 1 and the first half of Shippuden to follow things accordingly. However lately, lots of things went inconsistencies and contradicts the main theme of Naruto.

Again- you are trying to define what he meant when he said that and declaring it doesn't match with your idea of how you thought he would write it. POV difference.

And if it would be that easy Naruto wouldn't be Naruto. That's what puts him apart from the rest. Doesn't it?

It's a fantasy- it's going to advocate for ideals. You may disagree about whom the hero should forgive or not but it's nothing to do with realism because it's your opinion vs the message author wants to give. Just different POVs and ethical values.So if it's a fiction that you speak of, then this should'v never been for teens. It should'v been like Pokemon it's like what you're trying to imply.

So if it's a fiction that you speak of, then this should'v never been for teens. It should'v been like Pokemon it's like what you're trying to imply.

No idea how my words said above imply whatever you are trying to imply. Out of better arguments?

His kindness are illogical. At least display some form of realism, but then this recent chapter ruined what little goodwill a had left for Naruto.... There is nothing he could do to right his wrongs plain an simple and because of that he is an unrealistic character which is why people don't like him, and yes this is subjective matter, but what can we relate to his "kindness" to an enemy someone like Osamu

Repetition. It doesn't fit in your logic. I don't see the problem with it if someone can be so forgiving under the conditions Obito died. There is no end to this difference in POV. Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Gokuy]

WtF 900 posts.

Ot: naruto is like goku but more fodder

 

[BerryDerange]

Empathy and forgiveness. We are all....

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I don't see the problem with it if someone can be so forgiving under the conditions Obito died.

Actually, the conditions Obito died was pretty idiotic if you ask me. He could have saved himself and improved their choices of winning the battle. Kakashi even pointed that out. What he did was counterproductive to the next generation.

 

[Avani]

Actually, the conditions Obito died was pretty idiotic if you ask me. He could have saved himself and improved their choices of winning the battle. Kakashi even pointed that out.

I agree, but he chose not to. Guilt and he did it to save his friend, I guess I think this was one of the reasons why Naruto was trying to heal him. Besides he has been looking forward to it for sometime now. Naruto had healed him but it was mentioned it was not fully and that he was nearing his end. How much he could do( with all the baggage and what future awaited him), we will never know now and what Kakashi can do yet remains to be seen.

 

[NaruKido Sennin]

true obito did do all those things and yes naruto shouldnt find him to be cool but.... everyone makes mistakes. obito is no different then anyone else but obito also did a few good things. which too of those things were save naruto from dying. also saving the entire ninja world by giving naruto the bijuu. no obito isnt the coolest guy imo but holding a grudge when someone is trying to change isnt cool either. holding a grudge against someone that died for you is childish imo.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

I agree, but he chose not to. Guilt and he did it to save his friend, I guess I think this was one of the reasons why Naruto was trying to heal him. Besides he has been looking forward to it for sometime now. Naruto had healed him but it was mentioned it was not fully and that he was nearing his end. How much he could do( with all the baggage and what future awaited him), we will never know now and what Kakashi can do yet remains to be seen.

Well he could have Kamui'd Kaguya's head off or gotten everyone safe in his dimension.

 

[Avani]

Well he could have Kamui'd Kaguya's head off or gotten everyone safe in his dimension.

Kaguya has her own version of Kamui ( she even got her eye from him). She can find them eventually or her head if she figures out the dimention. For god sake, she seems to be using Madara's upper body to manifest herself while she dumped his legs. They cannot remain hidden eternally either. Besides madara's death didn't cancel moon eye plan. So if Kaguya dies and that genjutsu stays that's no solutiuon either.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Kaguya has her own version of Kamui ( she even got her eye from him).She can find them eventually. For god sake. she is using Madara's upper body to manifest while she dumped his legs.

Kaguya's has her own dimension, yes. But that doesn't mean she can enter in Obito's. And what do you mean she got her eye from him?

 

[Avani]

Kaguya's has her own dimension, yes. But that doesn't mean she can enter in Obito's. And what do you mean she got her eye from him?

Madara snatched Kakashi's before he got his hand on Obito. And then he entered that dimension. I have no idea what happened to that eye since then or how his transplant worked. What did he do to Obito's other eye?

And let's accept your theory that they all can stay in different dimensions. What would that solve? In one dimension people remain hanging from the tree. In another Kaguya and in a third one our heroes. Then what next? Madara's condition that his body is either being used or lack of life ( if not death) hasn't affected the Moon and the genjutus it cast.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Madara snatched Kakashi's before he got his hand on Obito. And then he entered that dimension. I have no idea what happened to that eye since then or how his transplant worked. What did he do to Obito's other eye?

And let's accept your theory that they all can stay in different dimensions. What would that solve? In one dimension people remain hanging from the tree. In another Kaguya and in a third one our heroes. Then what next? Madara's condition that his body is either being used or lack of life ( if not death) hasn't affected the Moon and the genjutus it cast.

No, Madara gave Obito his eye back. Re-read chapter 676, Obito has left eye back when he gets out of the Kamui dimension.

Obito could have gotten them back to earth from the Kamui dimension. I also just remembered Kakashi was able to Kamui both Naruto and Sakura at the same time. Couldn't Obito have done that with both Naruto and Sasuke when the bones were coming at them? It feels like Obito's death was really forced.

 

[Avani]

No, Madara gave Obito his eye back. Re-read chapter 676, Obito has left eye back when he gets out of the Kamui dimension.

Obito could have gotten them back to earth from the Kamui dimension. I also just remembered Kakashi was able to Kamui both Naruto and Sakura at the same time. Couldn't Obito have done that with both Naruto and Sasuke when the bones were coming at them? It feels like Obito's death was really forced.

Why would madara give him back his eye? Since when Madara is so nice? I maybe wrong but it looks like

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to me. Wasn't it Naruto healing him getting his original eyes healed too just like Kakashi?

I don't see how Obito could have gotten them back to original dimension. He waited for Kaguya to open her portal. They were able to sneak in others because she went to the one connected to all. Back to earth and do what? If Sasuke's rinnegan(Sasuke didn't even try to cencel it but his in Susano.) is of any use then Hogomoro could use his and fix it all instead of lending chakras. The story should have finished there.

Most of all - aren't you writing your own plot just now? Guiding how he should do it. This can be a good fanfic. But why should Kishi follow your thinking anymore than you are his? He owns these characters and verse not us.

And that's what my point was. Not to ask for your version of story how it should end.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Why would madara give him back his eye? Since when Madara is so nice? Wasn't it Naruto healing him getting his original eyes healed too just like Kakashi?

I don't see how Obito could have gotten them back to original dimension. He waited for Kaguya to open her portal. They were able to sneak in others because she went to the one connected to all. Back to earth and do what? If Sasuke's rinnegan(Sasuke didn't even try to cencel it but his in Susano.) is of any use then Hogomoro could use his and fix it all instead of lending chakras. The story should have finished there.

Most of all - aren't you writing your own plot just now? This can be a good fanfic. But why should Kishi follow your thinking anymore than you are his? He owns these characters and verse not us.

And that's what my point was. Not to ask for your version of story how it should end.

That's his left eye right there.

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Obito and Sakura were able to hide in his dimension. And it's manga fact that it is connected to earth. I'm just saying that his death was very forced.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Wow, I can't believe I posted that many times in this thread. But yeah I never knew Naruto would get so much bashing for calling someone the "coolest guy". This week has seemed long. Feels like we have been arguing over the same thing for ages. Who ever knew that one chapter would cause so much flame?

 

[Avani]

That's his left eye right there.

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Obito and Sakura were able to hide in his dimension. And it's manga fact that it is connected to earth. I'm just saying that his death was very forced.

Still looks like Zetsu's eye to me. But maybe. His other eye is closed so not certain exactly what went on. Does it matter to current Obito who had both anyway? I was just speculating if Kaguya could follow them or not. But you suggested they could hide in his dimension and return to earth avoiding her. As if opening portal of that kind was possible for Obito.

Everything is connected but only Kaguya was jumping around and it already consumed a lot of her chakra taken from all the bijuus and shinobies. It's no more forced than your own ideas.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Still looks like Zetsu's eye to me.

Everything is connected but only Kaguya was jumping around and it already consumed a lot of her chakra taken from all the bijuus and shinobies. It's no more forced than your own ideas.

Zetsu's eye doesn't have pupils nor does he have the sharingan.

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Obito has gone from the Kamui dimension to earth before is what I mean.

 

[Avani]

Zetsu's eye doesn't have pupils nor does he have the sharingan.

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Obito has gone from the Kamui dimension to earth before is what I mean.

So Zetsu collected the Sharingan. That's like him, I don't see Madara being kind enough to give it back to Obito who was dying anyway.

As far as I can remember Obito jumps in Kamui from whatever dimension he is in. When he returns he returns to the one he was when he used Kamui. Or did I forget something else? I have been lately kind of skimming the pages.

We are so getting Off topic by now... Let's discuss our little fanfiction and alternative endings some other day at some other place. VM me the reply instead if you wish.