[VS] DSM Kabuto and EMS Sasuke vs. Kisame, Edo Itachi, and KCM Naruto

[Unorthodox]

I'm just saying that his V3 Susanoo got stronger, bigger, and faster from getting Naruto's chakra, and no. Its not, don't feel like giving this match up attention though since I'm pretty much debating it with you and RJ right now.

Faster nope naruto chakra wasit shown to make anything faster Sasuke rapes him thats why you restricted it in our matchup now your trying to go against tsk weak.

 

[KidGamer65]

Faster nope naruto chakra wasit shown to make anything faster Sasuke rapes him thats why you restricted it in our matchup now your trying to go against tsk weak.

Stronger the Susanoo the faster it is. Better chakra means it gets better all around.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Team one with ease. Manda & Manda ll would annihilate Kisame. EMS Sasuke shits on KCM Naruto i fell bad if the debaters for Sasuke honestly lost that debate. Kabuto can easily last long enough for Sasuke to get done with Naruto. Kabuto isn't going to get finished like he did in cannon because Izanami won't work on him. L0l @ Naruto sending clones to help the others he'll need everything in his arsenal to compete with Sasuke.

 

[Beans2]

Wank is too strong.

1. Already countered White Rage.

2. Susanoo tanks and protects Kisame, Naruto dodges, or just tanks since he's far more durable than SM Naruto who fell on stalagmites and took no type of damage.

Sasuke is needed here, and even then they might lose. Team 2 wins mid diff at the very best.

1. No you didn't. Itachi can still use Susano'o to protect himself and his teammates, but he himself is still paralyzed, blinded, and deafened

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, along with his teammates.

2. Susano'o can't protect aganst Muki Tensei from below the ground since Itachi's Susano'o is legless. Naruto can't dodge since he's immobilized by White Rage, and show me a feat of KCM Naruto tanking something when not in Sage Mode.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. No you didn't. Itachi can still use Susano'o to protect himself and his teammates, but he himself is still paralyzed, blinded, and deafened

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, along with his teammates.

Which means no attack Kabuto throws at them is going to hurt due to Susanoo, which means he can't do anything, to them which means they survive till the jutsu ends. So yes, I did counter it.

2. Susano'o can't protect aganst Muki Tensei from below the ground since Itachi's Susano'o is legless. Naruto can't dodge since he's immobilized by White Rage, and show me a feat of KCM Naruto tanking something when not in Sage Mode.

It blocked Muki Tensei in canon. It'll be no different here.
Roshi's Lava>Spiked Rocks.

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Han's kick enhanced by Kokuo's power>>>Spiked Rocks.

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KCM Naruto took both with little damage. Spiked rocks aren't doing worse.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Which means no attack Kabuto throws at them is going to hurt due to Susanoo, which means he can't do anything, to them which means they survive till the jutsu ends. So yes, I did counter it.



It blocked Muki Tensei in canon. It'll be no different here.
Roshi's Lava>Spiked Rocks.

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Han's kick enhanced by Kokuo's power>>>Spiked Rocks.

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KCM Naruto took both with little damage. Spiked rocks aren't doing worse.

Team 2 loses Kisame is a non-factor.

 

[KidGamer65]

Team 2 loses Kisame is a non-factor.

Yeah...no.

Team one with ease. Manda & Manda ll would annihilate Kisame. EMS Sasuke shits on KCM Naruto i fell bad if the debaters for Sasuke honestly lost that debate. Kabuto can easily last long enough for Sasuke to get done with Naruto. Kabuto isn't going to get finished like he did in cannon because Izanami won't work on him. L0l @ Naruto sending clones to help the others he'll need everything in his arsenal to compete with Sasuke.

Totsuka easily pierces and seals any summonings that Kabuto brings here.

EMS Sasuke shitting on KCM Naruto w/o Perfect Susanoo is nothing but a Sasuketard's wet dream. Not happening here.

-Kabuto gets shitted on by Itachi and Kisame and Naruto's clones. He doesn't need to be finished off like he was in canon since Itachi and Sasuke weren't even trying to kill him, and they held back. With support from Naruto's clones, they have counters to pretty much every move he can throw at them.

-Naruto using clones doesn't prevent him from using everything in his arsenal.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yeah...no.



Totsuka easily pierces and seals any summonings that Kabuto brings here.

EMS Sasuke shitting on KCM Naruto w/o Perfect Susanoo is nothing but a Sasuketard's wet dream. Not happening here.

-Kabuto gets shitted on by Itachi and Kisame and Naruto's clones. He doesn't need to be finished off like he was in canon since Itachi and Sasuke weren't even trying to kill him, and they held back. With support from Naruto's clones, they have counters to pretty much every move he can throw at them.

-Naruto using clones doesn't prevent him from using everything in his arsenal.

Sound Genjutsu says Hi. It can easily immobilize any of them. Itachi Susanoo hands won't protect them from Sasuke's Susanoo or Muki tensei. Not to mention Sasuke can turn this entire battlefield into an Enton playground. Anytime Rasenshuriken is created it gets ignited via Amaterasu. Sasuke could also cover Manda in Susanoo.

 

[Beans2]

Which means no attack Kabuto throws at them is going to hurt due to Susanoo, which means he can't do anything, to them which means they survive till the jutsu ends. So yes, I did counter it.

Wrong. Susano'o doesn't grant 360 degrees of protection. A person inside legless Susano'o can still be attacked from below the earth, example Gaara using the sand at Madara's feet.

It blocked Muki Tensei in canon. It'll be no different here.
Roshi's Lava>Spiked Rocks.

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Han's kick enhanced by Kokuo's power>>>Spiked Rocks.

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KCM Naruto took both with little damage. Spiked rocks aren't doing worse.

Wrong again, it did not block Muki Tensei. Kabuto was never aiming for Sasuke, he only attacked Itachi

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. Itachi also won't know Muki Tensei is coming, since he is blinded by White Rage. Until you can explain why Muki Tensei from below the ground, coming from directly beneath Susano'o won't work, Hakugeki + Muki Tensei kills Kisame and puts Itachi temporarily out of action until he fully regenerates.

Fine, Naruto tanks the spiked rock. But now it's him and a regenerating Itachi vs Kabuto and Sasuke.

 

[genii96]

Manda 2 solos kisame.
White rage followed by sound gen incapacitates both naruto and itachi. Then kabuto kills them.

Or sound hen paralyzes all of them and sasuke lights them up

 

[genii96]

Manda 2 solos kisame.
White rage followed by sound gen incapacitates both naruto and itachi. Then kabuto kills them.

Or sound hen paralyzes all of them and sasuke lights them up

 

[KidGamer65]

Sound Genjutsu says Hi. It can easily immobilize any of them. Itachi Susanoo hands won't protect them from Sasuke's Susanoo or Muki tensei. Not to mention Sasuke can turn this entire battlefield into an Enton playground. Anytime Rasenshuriken is created it gets ignited via Amaterasu. Sasuke could also cover Manda in Susanoo.

Naruto=Perfect Jin. All Genjutsu is broken in a second, clones save the rest.

Itachi's Susanoo hands won't need to protect from Sasuke's Susanoo since the latter can't even use Susanoo during White Rage, and that's the only time Itachi will need to protect them.

-The location is the destroyed Leaf Village, the Konoha Crater. Sasuke isn't turning anything into an "Enton playground"

-Yeah, if Naruto creates it up front and tosses it, clones can Shunshin it to him. Clones can throw it behind him. Clones can shoot more than one at a time. Lol, Amaterasu isn't a solid counter, it'll only lead to him getting killed.

Wrong. Susano'o doesn't grant 360 degrees of protection. A person inside legless Susano'o can still be attacked from below the earth, example Gaara using the sand at Madara's feet.

Fine, you were right here.

Wrong again, it did not block Muki Tensei. Kabuto was never aiming for Sasuke, he only attacked Itachi

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. Itachi also won't know Muki Tensei is coming, since he is blinded by White Rage. Until you can explain why Muki Tensei from below the ground, coming from directly beneath Susano'o won't work, Hakugeki + Muki Tensei kills Kisame and puts Itachi temporarily out of action until he fully regenerates.

Ok.

Fine, Naruto tanks the spiked rock. But now it's him and a regenerating Itachi vs Kabuto and Sasuke.

No matter. He can easily last long enough till Itachi regenerates. Then he holds off Sasuke and Naruto wrecks Kabuto/

 

[Zee U]

Sage Mode isn't restricted for Naruto. Bijuu Mode also.

I hope you all know what that means

 

[TRE MERCER]

Naruto=Perfect Jin. All Genjutsu is broken in a second, clones save the rest.

Itachi's Susanoo hands won't need to protect from Sasuke's Susanoo since the latter can't even use Susanoo during White Rage, and that's the only time Itachi will need to protect them.

-The location is the destroyed Leaf Village, the Konoha Crater. Sasuke isn't turning anything into an "Enton playground"

-Yeah, if Naruto creates it up front and tosses it, clones can Shunshin it to him. Clones can throw it behind him. Clones can shoot more than one at a time. Lol, Amaterasu isn't a solid counter, it'll only lead to him getting killed.

Stop this is KCM Naruto he is not friends with Kurama so genjutsu isn't broken try again. Then Kabuto uses Muki tensei. Ill admit it i forgot WR can effect the people around him as well.

 

[ARGUS]

Team Naruto wins this

--Edo Itachi and KCM Naruto wreck EMS Sasuke, seeing how the formers arsenal is exactly similar to sasuke, but has the edo benefits, and the latter has more than enough firepower to breach all of sasukes defenses

--Kisame may lose to Kabuto individually but naruto can send in his clones and get them to fire off multiple rasengan barrages or FRS/COFRS to finish off kabuto, on top of the fact that his speed enables him to evade most of kabutos attacks,

 

[Rιver]

I agree with all KidGamer65 said; and to add, people are taking Kisame too lightly. How can Kabuto counter the dome? Summoning Manda II? Itachi captures it in Genjutsu and turns it against Kabuto. EMS Sasuke can be at least stalled by KCM Naruto, with aid [f.e. Itachi], Sasuke should lose. Also, for this to be an Edo Tensei Itachi, it makes the fight rather one sided.
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Sound Genjutsu says Hi. It can easily immobilize any of them. Itachi Susanoo hands won't protect them from Sasuke's Susanoo or Muki tensei. Not to mention Sasuke can turn this entire battlefield into an Enton playground. Anytime Rasenshuriken is created it gets ignited via Amaterasu. Sasuke could also cover Manda in Susanoo.

Why...?​

Manda 2 solos kisame.
White rage followed by sound gen incapacitates both naruto and itachi. Then kabuto kills them.

Or sound hen paralyzes all of them and sasuke lights them up

Why?​

Stop this is KCM Naruto he is not friends with Kurama so genjutsu isn't broken try again. Then Kabuto uses Muki tensei. Ill admit it i forgot WR can effect the people around him as well.

Why?​

 

[TRE MERCER]

I agree with all KidGamer65 said; and to add, people are taking Kisame too lightly. How can Kabuto counter the dome? Summoning Manda II? Itachi captures it in Genjutsu and turns it against Kabuto. EMS Sasuke can be at least stalled by KCM Naruto, with aid [f.e. Itachi], Sasuke should lose. Also, for this to be an Edo Tensei Itachi, it makes the fight rather one sided.
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Why...?​

Why?​

Why?​

Why???????????????????????????

 

[Rιver]

Why???????????????????????????

I asked you why wouldn't KM Naruto be able to break out of Genjutsu if he is a perfect jinchūriki?​

 

[KidGamer65]

Stop this is KCM Naruto he is not friends with Kurama so genjutsu isn't broken try again. Then Kabuto uses Muki tensei. Ill admit it i forgot WR can effect the people around him as well.

This is the best version of KCM Naruto. War Arc KCM Naruto=Friends with Kurama. Don't know why people try and pull this nonsense, but it's not gonna fly here buddy. Why would we take the weaker version of KCM Naruto?

I guess we should take beginning of War Arc EMS Sasuke and use him for this debate, which means no giant Enton Arrow, no Legged Susanoo. Just V4, Enton Blade, and Enton Magatama..smh.

 

[Strict]

EMS Sasuke shitting on KCM Naruto w/o Perfect Susanoo is nothing but a Sasuketard's wet dream.

And actually, that makes sense. KCM Naruto has nothing to make EMS Sasuke even sweat. Clones are fodderized by former stages of Susanoo, which swings its sword or spams Magatama projectiles of Amaterasu. Speed feats are not relevant here, as neither Naruto, and above all not his clones were able to effectively dodge in any of his fights. Rasenshuriken is inferior to Katon, hence Sasuke would just set any Rasenshuriken on fire with Amaterasu and then control it with Kagutsuchi. Optional, Sasuke covers his Susanoo in the flames, so in the case that the Rasenshuriken is going to touch Susanoo, the flames, which are in Sasuke's control, would consume it - after all he can shape the flames into various forms, for offensive and defensive The Rasengan is a joke, as it does not even put a scratch on Susanoo's ribcage. Summons are a joke, the Magatama projectiles of the back flames would fodderize it.

Is there something else worth mentioning? I guess no. KCM has nohwhere a chance against EMS Sasuke even without the PS, as Sasuke has a perfect offense and defense which he can spamm. Not a chance here buddy.