[Theory] One last manipulation! ~ The Cursed Clan!

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What I have is not a dream, because I will make it a reality.



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Uchiha Sasuke, the last of the Uchiha will have a difficult choice ahead. To chose to restore his clan and fulfill his dream, or to leave his dream behind and work to protect the dream his brother died and fought so hard for. One lies through darkness, the other lies through the light. One lies through Black Zetsu, the other lies through Uzumaki Naruto.



The Cursed Clan, Uchiha

The Uchiha clan was stated to be a cursed clan by Tobirama Senju, and it was later shown that they were indeed cursed with the thing we know as Black Zetsu. The clan has been manipulated over generations in the hopes that one would awaken the Rinnegan. This means that their traditions, their ideals were largely not their own but that of Black Zetsu and Kaguya. There have been a few of the Uchiha however, who has not shared these views. Uchiha's such as Itachi, Shisui and Kagami. However, perhaps the biggest example of this is; Sasuke Uchiha.



Uchiha Sasuke, the one.

Since the very start, Sasuke has been the person who wanted to do everything his way, and not follow in the footsteps of others. He wanted to obtain power, but not in the same way as Itachi did. He wanted to understand everything and make his own decision from that, he wanted to protect Konoha for his own reasons. He is fighting and surviving for his own reasons, no one else's. He is the prime example of a character who wants to do everything by himself and his way. Whenever someone has been thinking that they are "using" him, he has responded to not being used, only sharing common goal with those whom he is being "used" by.



Black Zetsu, mastermind.

Black Zetsu is the mastermind who has manipulated the Uchiha ever since their origin, he is a mastermind in control and his very being symbolizes this. His physical ability is to take over someone else's body and control them, while he is also intelligent enough to manipulate someone for generations without taking control over their bodies. The only Uchiha he has never had much control over is Sasuke Uchiha, as the others have fallen victim to his manipulation in some way or another. Sasuke and Naruto are fighting against that.



The last choice, his dream.

If we go back to the days of Part I and re-read the "dream" Sasuke said he had when he first met with Team 7, we can see that it goes like this:

"What I have is not a dream, because I will make it into reality. I will kill a certain someone, and restore my clan."

Naruto and Sakura's dreams at the time is something they have stood idle by and fought for, Naruto's dream to become Hokage and make everyone acknowledge him. While Sakura still loves Sasuke and would do almost everything for him. Sasuke has fulfilled his dream to kill Itachi, but not to restore his clan. Furthermore, we were reminded on this not too many chapters in the past. We don't know what Sasuke's current dream is, he has stated that he wishes to protect Konoha and become Hokage, but he still wants to restore his clan.

If Sasuke was faced with the choice to either restore his clan or protect Konoha, what would he pick? Personally I think he would pick both, as his character is that of one that will not follow either path, but carve his own. So, what if Naruto resembles the light and Black Zetsu is the dark in Sasuke's life. One who manipulate the Uchiha, and the other befriended him. Both have had a equally big affect on Sasuke's life. Which one would he chose? This may be a opening to a Naruto vs Sasuke, or perhaps the way to deal with Black Zetsu and Kaguya.

 

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Whenever someone has been thinking that they are "using" him, he has responded to not being used, only sharing common goal with those whom he is being "used" by.


wtf does that even mean?
 

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Whenever someone has been thinking that they are "using" him, he has responded to not being used, only sharing common goal with those whom he is being "used" by.


wtf does that even mean?


Obito stated that he was using Sasuke, though his plan for Sasuke was to awaken the EMS and fight Naruto. Awakening the EMS was something Sasuke first refused, but was left with no choice in the matter later on. (Well, he could have lived on blind.) Fighting Naruto never happened, as he chose a different path.

Orochimaru stated that he used Sasuke, that he tricked Sasuke so that he could steal his body at some point. We know that Sasuke never trusted Orochimaru, and planned heavily against him in order to take Orochimaru down after 3 years. Meaning that Orochimaru never did use him.

Neither Orochimaru, Black Zetsu or Obito ever used Sasuke, he just did what they wanted because it was in his best interest.

 

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Naruto and Sakura's dreams at the time is something they have stood idle by and fought for,

I do not believe you understand the meaning of standing idly by... the very next word following it, "fought for", proves it.

you cannot be idle by, fighting for something.... it's like saying, i'm standing around, while i'm running a marathon. complete nonsense.
 

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I do not believe you understand the meaning of standing idly by... the very next word following it, "fought for", proves it.

you cannot be idle by, fighting for something.... it's like saying, i'm standing around, while i'm running a marathon. complete nonsense.


To stand idle by; To stand by and wait. (No movement.)
Fought for; To fight for something.

There are more ways to fight than with your fists, logically, one can fight and stand idle. Though that is not what I meant. They have stood idle by for a good amount of time, not being able to do anything to reach their dreams and thus have worked towards other goals in the meantime. Now, after years of waiting, they are fighting for their dreams.

 

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Obito stated that he was using Sasuke, though his plan for Sasuke was to awaken the EMS and fight Naruto. Awakening the EMS was something Sasuke first refused, but was left with no choice in the matter later on. (Well, he could have lived on blind.) Fighting Naruto never happened, as he chose a different path.

Orochimaru stated that he used Sasuke, that he tricked Sasuke so that he could steal his body at some point. We know that Sasuke never trusted Orochimaru, and planned heavily against him in order to take Orochimaru down after 3 years. Meaning that Orochimaru never did use him.

Neither Orochimaru, Black Zetsu or Obito ever used Sasuke, he just did what they wanted because it was in his best interest.



he never planned anything against orochimaru... he is an opportunist in a way.... he just believed that he will take what he needs (power) from x-person (orochimaru in this case), and when the most opportunistic time comes to sever ties, he's going to do just that.

Sasuke knew that Orochimaru was at his weakest and needed a body THAT VERY DAY. Therefore he understood it to be the best time to sever those ties from someone that served him no purpose anymore.
 
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To stand idle by; To stand by and wait. (No movement.)
Fought for; To fight for something.

There are more ways to fight than with your fists, logically, one can fight and stand idle. Though that is not what I meant. They have stood idle by for a good amount of time, not being able to do anything to reach their dreams and thus have worked towards other goals in the meantime. Now, after years of waiting, they are fighting for their dreams.


you are retarded. if it's english you're speaking here, then you CANNOT use those two sentences together. it's an oxymoron.
 

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you are retarded. if it's english you're speaking here, then you CANNOT use those two sentences together. it's an oxymoron.



My English is anything but perfect, as its my 4th language. That being said, there is no logical way that those two meanings cannot be used together. (Traditional however, it may go against.) Also, you should really avoid insulting someone else's intelligence when you use relativity bad grammar yourself. (Yet you nag others about theirs. Here is a tip, fix your own faults and nag on people later.)


he never planned anything against orochimaru... he is an opportunist in a way.... he just believed that he will take what he needs (power) from x-person (orochimaru in this case), and when most opportunistic time comes to sever ties, he's going to do just that.

Sasuke knew that Orochimaru was at his weakest and needed a body THAT VERY DAY. Therefore he understood it to be the best time to sever those ties from someone that served him no purpose anymore.


Sasuke said and stated himself, he used a lot of time to research Orochimaru's abilities and snakes in order to take him down, that means he prepared to betray Orochimaru for some time. It may have been from the day he arrived, a year later or later than that. But he did use a good amount of time to plan ahead. (Including the day Orochimaru would be weakest.)

 

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What I have is not a dream, because I will make it a reality.



Summary

Uchiha Sasuke, the last of the Uchiha will have a difficult choice ahead. To chose to restore his clan and fulfill his dream, or to leave his dream behind and work to protect the dream his brother died and fought so hard for. One lies through darkness, the other lies through the light. One lies through Black Zetsu, the other lies through Uzumaki Naruto.

If we go back to the days of Part I and re-read the "dream" Sasuke said he had when he first met with Team 7, we can see that it goes like this:

"What I have is not a dream, because I will make it into reality. I will kill a certain someone, and restore my clan."
He has stated that he wishes to protect Konoha and become Hokage, but he still wants to restore his clan.

If Sasuke was faced with the choice to either restore his clan or protect Konoha, what would he pick?


But why do you assume that in order to restore the Uchiha clan he needs Black Zetsu? When was it said that Sasuke following Black Zetsu's path of deceive will bring the Uchiha back? Why can't he be good, protect the village for his reasons and still bring back his clan?

You make it sound as if bringing the Uchiha back was a bad thing. As you stated before the Uchiha were used by Black Zetsu and ultimately exterminated due to the curse of hatred. Sasuke, now knowing the truth could bring back his clan but with a whole new set of ideals and ideas.

I respectfully disagree with your point my friend, I think Sasuke will revive his clan, but the future Uchiha generations will inherit the Will of Fire rather than the Curse of Hatred, and yeah, I think Naruto will help with this. I make this point because previously you stated that Naruto's path would signify the ultimate demise of the Uchiha clan (you say the path of light won't bring the Uchiha back).

It is a good thread my friend, however I don't think the possible revival of the Uchiha clan (when I say revival, I don't mean it in a Edo-Tensei way, rather Sasuke living his life peacefully and having descendants) will have anything to do with Black Zetsu or Kaguya.
 

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Naruto. He also is one who carves his own path, as Sasuke offered him to kill him and become a hero, or being killed and become a loser (Battle of the Bridge).

And also, Naruto would gladly help Sasuke achieving both of his objetives, while BZ mostly would negate him both of them in the end.
 
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