[Theory] Mark of the Shinju

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Mark of the Shinju

There are a series of recurring patterns and designs that stand out in Naruto that signify lineage and power. You may be aware of three of these designs but I believe that there is a fourth which completes the set. There is considerable material to read on the significance of each of these symbols but I will try and provide a shorthand for what each signifies. The primary symbols have real world significance and a lot of this symbolism is borrowed and reflected in the stories being told. While it is easy to read too much real world meaning into these symbols, within the story they help to link characters and messages together. These patterns and symbols might just be decoration but the consistency with which they are used to reinforce storylines makes me think they are a sophisticated form of foreshadowing.

This is a highly speculative theory but it completes a set of three I put together. For this one I will point out the patterns and provide some speculation on what it can signify within the story – I think it could point to a pretty radical development so I run the risk of going into pretty big spoiler territory if the theory is right … you have been warned.

The Circle
For me the circle seems to represent the path of Ninshuu. This is predominantly a peaceful path but its proponents are far from defenseless. As a philosophy it espouses peace and co-operation but when harnessed for battle it is able to overcome great opponents. Hagoromo is the first to have spread this message and he tried to instill it in both of his sons.


Unfortunately for Hagoromo, only one of his sons carried forward the message while the other and his heirs were corrupted by BZ. Asura was able to build on this message and Naruto carries forward that legacy today.

At the pinnacle of this school is Hagoromo whose symbol is a series of concentric circles that make up the Rinnegan. This shows mastery of the Six Paths, which tie into Shinto and Buddhist messages about levels of existence. The Rinnegan can be used for great damage in the wrong hands but in it’s true form it is uncorrupted by Tomoe.

Rinnegan – Mastery of All Techniques and All 5 Elements


Even Mastery over Life and Death


One step down from the Rinnegan is the single circle which represents the Sun. While the RInnegan grants god like power the single circle imbues the user with abilities that harness the message of Ninshuu (co-operation) and the symbolism of the Sun (fire and life). Asura’s abilities have been handed down to those he has transmigrated into and is expressed in the image of a single black circle surrounded by a ring. This spot can collect and distribute Chakra. When Chakra is collected in this circle it emanates fire like the burning sun and can overwhelm abominations just by its presence.

Asura with complete chakra cloak fully activated – flaming cloak and central design of a circle

Naruto in Kyuubi mode – Flame Cloak and Circle

Hashirama – Circle (no flame cloak as he did not have the chakra of a Jinchuuriki (Naruto) or an army to borrow Chakra from (Asura)):


Abilities -
- To borrow and distribute chakra to others:

- To overwhelm WZ with sheer lifeforce and turn them into plants


Ability in Practice





The Tomoe
If the Circle represents the Sun then the Tomoe represents the Moon or to be more precise the Crescent Moon. This mark embodies all the opposite traits to those embodied by Ninshuu, in many respects it could be read as the symbol of Ninjutsu. Where the circle represents strength through co-operation the tomoe represents the power to coerce. It is not inherently evil but it tends to be that which those with less pure motives strive for.
Ninjutsu


Kaguya has the most tomoe of any character and it is not an accident that right now she is the big bad:


Orochimaru marks his victims with the Tomoe:



Genjutsu – coercing the opponent to one’s will (NB the Moon)


Burning the victims down:


Cursed Seal


Oro’s Three Giant Snakes


Attire






More on Oro …Theory on where the Tomoe originate from
The Spiral
The Spiral is a stage of power that we haven’t really seen in action yet. The Spiral is paid homage to in many designs but the actual practitioners who first wielded it and the ones who are going to inherit its power have not been shown using it yet.

As far as I can make out the Spiral is the power inherited by each of Hagoromo’s Sons. Indra in his early years is shown to have had the Sharingan. However in later years when he fought with his brother his Dojutsu took on the design of the Spiral.

Indra with 2 Spiral Eyes


I imagine that Asura was marked with the Spiral on his chest just as Naruto took on the same Chakra cloak:

NB here the Spiral is crossed with a Tomoe because Naruto is a Jinchuuriki


Interestingly I think that the Uzumaki shrine points to Kaguya having had three Spiral Eyes – notice how the hair and three eyes placement match up as do the souls trapped underneath her:


The Spiral has been passed down as the emblem of the Uzumaki and is the foundation of their most powerful Seal:


Theory on Spiral Zetsu
Theory – the Shinju pattern
Within the story one pattern has jumped out at me that seems to tie certain characters together and may explain the process whereby Kaguya first obtained her power.

The pattern is first seen as far as the timeline is concerned in the sprouting fruit of the Shinju. Essentially it is a sort of ribbon pattern or ladder design at the core of the Shinju fruit.


This design is also exhibited in Kaguya’s hairstyle. If you look at the parting of Kaguya’s hair it shows the same pattern as the Shinju fruit.


Kimimaro has the same hairstyle perhaps because he belongs to the Kaguya Clan – he also has her pale skin and forehead markings


It also turns up in the ceremonial dress of the Kazekage


As you can see the design is pretty distinctive and it seems to turn up on a lot of the more significant characters. I think the starting point for the design comes from the Shinju Fruit, that Kaguya then developed that pattern partly as a result of eating the fruit and that lots of powerful ninja since have all incorporated the design into their look.

But that’s not the only place that the design appears. One place it turns up is on Samehada’s hilt. What is so significant about that is that to all intents and purposes Samehada operates in exactly the same way as the Shinju in Infinite Tsukuyomi seems to.

Markings on the hilt:


Similarities in abilities-
-The Shinju has roots that absorb chakra:

…so does Samehada and it is wrapped in the same way that the victims of the Shinju are

-The Shinju is the source of all Chakra

Samehada can suck a Jinchuuriki dry

or resupply one

and Samehada’s bearer acquires the power of “A Bijuu without a Tail”


Eating the fruit of the Shinju left a mark on Kaguya

Samehada fusing with Kisame leaves the same mark on Kisame’s Arm


Samehada is sentient-
It tries to protect B

…and it cries at Kisame’s self sacrifice


also note this cryptic statement that Samehada has more than just an affinity for the Hachibi’s chakra…


When the Juubi expands its roots to chase after shinobi, its first target is B but is that as the Hachibi reasons because he has chakra or is the Juubi stretching for Samehada?


Is the Shinju simply trying to take back fruit that was stolen from it? (Bottom Right)

Angry Mini-Me (Top Right)


We don’t know much about Samehada or its origins. It is regarded as the strongest of all the weapons carried by the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist but it is not a sword it is a living creature. Suigetsu has spent a lifetime trying to take the sword. Are/were the Seven Swordsmen just its bodyguards?
Suigetsu's Goal


I don't know whether Samehada somehow is the original Shinju (having lost its chakra) or whether it is one of the Shinju's former fruit turned into a sapling but I think there is a strong chance it is related to the Shinju. What is notable right now is that B is MIA at a time where they need to unlock how to undo the rampant Juubi's plant. I'm waiting to see what B can bring to the party, perhaps Samehada holds the key.
 
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This is nice.

Next time convert these into images amd put them in spoilers for each indivual image. It will be a lot easier to understand and more people will read it, or take the time to look at it. :)
 
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This is nice.

Next time convert these into images amd put them in spoilers for each indivual image. It will be a lot easier to understand and more people will read it, or take the time to look at it. :)
this right now it just looks like a wall of text
 

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this is a nice thread...but its not the right time to post it...all memebers are focused on obito's death..
You write theories. You should know that there's never really a right time to post them. If you run around following whatever the big mystery of the moment is then you're never doing anything more than pointing out the obvious. Post too early and you may as well be writing fan fiction. Post too late and it's not really worth pointing out.

Anyway, I digress ... back to the topic at hand, I was wondering whether this theory could tie into Naruto's new hand wraps (around the 8 second mark):


The Lotus (the plant that has captured everyone) connects a couple of items directly or indirectly. Wraps seem to be another possible link between Shinju powers / techniques like:
Lee's Lotus technique

The captured Lotus souls

and Samehada:


If they're not connected then Naruto's hand wraps might just be a reminder that Naruto was supposed to be damaging his arm every time he uses his Rasenshuriken:






or they could just be a spoiler that Naruto hurts his hand during the movie.

However if they are connected then it could be a clue as to how Naruto and Sasuke escape the Six Realms now that Obito is dead. Either Kaguya has to help them (which is definitely possible given that she probably isn't the final villain) or when Naruto and Sasuke smash their hands together they can do more than just seal things. Notice what happens when Naruto and Sasuke smash their sealing hands together before and compare it to Kaguya's portals:
Portals:

Smashing hands together:



as for Samehada - Kishi seems to be pointing to it having more significance with Naruto's armour in this colour spread recently (NB both the scales and the clasp):


the End of Samehada and the Clasp is another Buddhist symbol - the Dokuro - which used to appear on religious staffs. It represents the impermanence of life. The Lotus meanwhile is what brings you to the afterlife in Japanese Buddhism and transports you to the Pure World (the six realms).
 
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WTF... this a derp obito thread?
A who what? Sir Derp writes theories here so I'm guessing he's written something similar. If so I'd like to read it so please link.

The original of this theory is quite old from my end (i wrote it way back on a different site). It's nice to see when other people have the same idea. It tends to mean you're onto something.
 

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Wasn't the reasons why the shinju chased after bee is because he had more chakra than the other shinobi?
That was the reason given at the time. I tend not to trust that explanation. All of the features of Samehada and the parallels they draw with significant plot points (the Shinju) and Buddhist icons make me think Kishi just wanted to make sure people know that Samehada pulling something out of the bag later on wasn't an asspull.
 
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A who what? Sir Derp writes theories here so I'm guessing he's written something similar. If so I'd like to read it so please link.

The original of this theory is quite old from my end (i wrote it way back on a different site). It's nice to see when other people have the same idea. It tends to mean you're onto something.
No but it's the same vein. Looking for patterns and deeper meaning in something that far more shallow.

It's human nature to create patterns, so if one looks they will always find them. However you have to ask yourself, has there ever been info hidden in previous chapters that hid info we now know to be true.
 

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No but it's the same vein. Looking for patterns and deeper meaning in something that far more shallow.

It's human nature to create patterns, so if one looks they will always find them. However you have to ask yourself, has there ever been info hidden in previous chapters that hid info we now know to be true.
Fair enough. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again…. but I've also been right on some of the bigger developments. It's just a theory.

As for the second point - yeah loads of times. Kishi flags up a lot of big plot developments - Susanoo, Vajra, Indra, Kaguya, the Six Realms, Tobi … were all heavily foreshadowed. Some of them I picked up before they were developed into bigger story lines, others you can point to after the fact.
 
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Fair enough. I've been wrong before, I'll be wrong again…. but I've also been right on some of the bigger developments. It's just a theory.

As for the second point - yeah loads of times. Kishi flags up a lot of big plot developments - Susanoo, Vajra, Indra, Kaguya, the Six Realms, Tobi … were all heavily foreshadowed. Some of them I picked up before they were developed into bigger story lines, others you can point to after the fact.
I'm not saying you can't make you theory, 90% of theories are wrong, that's not really the point. I was just commenting how it's similar to another poster's.

The things you mentioned weren't foreshadowed in the way you describe in your OP. When have there been clues hidden in the art? Sure there is foreshadowing in text and Kishi tends to take naming conventions from myths, but rarely are the myths used as inspiration.
 

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I'm not saying you can't make you theory, 90% of theories are wrong, that's not really the point. I was just commenting how it's similar to another poster's.
I'll have to read his theories for myself. I was worried someone had written the same thing.

The things you mentioned weren't foreshadowed in the way you describe in your OP. When have there been clues hidden in the art? Sure there is foreshadowing in text and Kishi tends to take naming conventions from myths, but rarely are the myths used as inspiration.
All of my current theories are based on clues in the art. It can be unreliable relying on the art alone to decipher messages and clues. Usually I try and fit the messages contained in the art with what's going on in the story. More often than not though, the Art tells the true story and what characters do and say lead you astray.

My first theory years and years ago was called something like Obito is Tobi (on ***********'s old forum). I wrote it at about the time Danzo and Izuna were the only two people that fans discussed as possible hidden identities for Tobi. I wrote my theory based almost exclusively on how the Taijitu (the Yin Yang Symbol) was formed through the placement of either Obito or Tobi with Kakashi in many of the panels. The story said that Obito was dead but I stuck with the theory because I thought the Art was telling the true story. The rest of the theory was spent on working out how Obito could have survived - I guessed that Madara had rescued Obito with the help of Zetsu and that Obito came back enhanced by Hashirama techs - but those were guesses used to fill out the theory that was based off the art. I don't need to tell you how that one worked out.

The myths are relayed through the art in advance of the developments in the story. Indra was shown behind Sasuke long before he was made into a character in the Manga. I think that Kaguya, Hamura, Hagoromo and Orochimaru all tie in with myths that are all foreshadowed in their design. My theories on Indra, Asura and Samehada are offshoots of those theories. The artwork points not just to the myths that form the basis of the story but they show how Kishi intends to adapt those myths to his own purpose. At least, they are the assumptions I've been working on - we'll see if I'll have the same luck as I had on Tobi.
 
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