If it wasn't for Obito they'd be dead; he's the true definition of Bad-ass

[Vega]

If he killed Naruto as a kid then notihng stopped Minato from killing him then and there. Obito wanted to separate Minato from Kushina. Had it not been for Obito, both Naruto and Sasuke would have happy lives since both would have their families. With Minato alive there most likely wouldn't have been any Uchiha massacre since he would know that the mask man isn't in the village since he can FTG the mask man to him or go to Obito himself and finish him off. Kushina was friends with Sasuke's mom so I see them finding a peaceful solution as friends. With both of their mothers being friends, Sasuke and Naruto would grow up friends as well. Sasuke would have Itachi, Shisui, and his dad to train him and Naruto would have Minato, Jiraiya, and Kakashi to train him.

Bad examples for the whole Nagato to Itachi crap when it's not Nagato under his own control fighting the way he would and it'a a alive free will Obito. Oh and if Kakashi killed Obito back when he was going to then Madara would still be an Edo Tensei and there wouldn't be a Kaguya so everything is moot since the war would all be focused on Edo Madara who was trapped in Edo Hashirama's seal. Sai was there and could have sealed Madara plus with Obith dead, Minato and Kakashi would have went to where Madara was right when Naruto went so Minato could have sealed Madara himself as well.

If Madara somehow got free, it would have been Edo Madara vs Edo Tobirama, Edo Minato, Edo Hashirama, Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sai while the Alliance would be fighting spiral Zetsu. The Bijuus would also be free to help either group as well.

@Green: A lot of that is pure speculation/assumption; and besides it doesn't matter change the fact that the only reason Naruto didn't die there is because it was worthless for Obito to do so.

@Blue: It's true that Nagato wasn't in control but if anything Kabuto made him on killing mode, and still doesn't change the fact that Itachi bested Nagato twice. Yeah but Kakashi failed, so the rest of that doesn't matter. I could use the same void logic and say that Sasuke's life is what it is because of Naruto; for if Naruto was never being born then the Kyuubi Attack would've never occurred. That doesn't take us anywhere.

And it still doesn't change the fact that Obito trolled death many times/etc.

 

[Uchihajin Sasuke]

Really now? Obito is the person that got manipulated. He could've been like no fk off im not listening to you. But he wasn't thinking with his brains. He was thinking with his boner for rin.

The "other small head" to be precise.

 

[NukaCola]

I am cool with Obito, he only killed trash so i am not get asshurt.

 

[EPICMenma]

Obito's may the true definition of bad ass but Madara is the true definition of badassery.

 

[Otibo]

Lord Obito saving faves, Even madara knows.

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[VongolaX]

OP you forgot to post chapter 606 page 14 and 15

 

[Migster257]

Kakashi also saved everyone's ass multiple times. What point are you trying to make? Just about every main character in this manga is defined as bad-ass according to your thread.

 

[Vega]

Kakashi also saved everyone's ass multiple times. What point are you trying to make? Just about every main character in this manga is defined as bad-ass according to your thread.

I've been seeing countless paper lately saying stuff like how Obito is fodder or had no purpose/etc. It's just to show some of the important moments he's had compared to others. The only Main characters currently that could outclass this are Naruto and Sasuke, Kakashi is preference I guess.

 

[xxSAGExx]

@Green: A lot of that is pure speculation/assumption; and besides it doesn't matter change the fact that the only reason Naruto didn't die there is because it was worthless for Obito to do so.

@Blue: It's true that Nagato wasn't in control but if anything Kabuto made him on killing mode, and still doesn't change the fact that Itachi bested Nagato twice. Yeah but Kakashi failed, so the rest of that doesn't matter. I could use the same void logic and say that Sasuke's life is what it is because of Naruto; for if Naruto was never being born then the Kyuubi Attack would've never occurred. That doesn't take us anywhere.

And it still doesn't change the fact that Obito trolled death many times/etc.

The only reason Naruto didn't die there is because if Obito did kill Naruto then he wouldn't have been able to separate Minato and Kushina the way he wanted and needed to. Minato could have made a clone to fully seal Kushina's seal while he went after Obito who would lose as we seen him do when they did fight. So no Obito could not have killed Naruto if he wanted to do what he had planned. But since you're saying that then I can counter and say Obito would be dead if Madara and Zetsu didn't save him from the boulders so everything Obito did is thanks to Madara and Zetsu who trained him and manipulated things without Obito knowing.

It doesn't matter if Kabuto put Nagato in kill mode, Nagato is not fighting the way he would which is what made him undefeated when he was alive. Nagato never lost, his Peins were defeated but Nagato himself was never beaten. Nagato did not want to fight so that alone invalids the whole fight since it was Kabuto controlling him so Kabuto lost to Itachi, Naruto, and Bee. Itachi never bested Nagato, Nagato sensed Amaterasu, then KA was used on Itachi which confused Nagato as Kabuto watched on (he was still controlling Nagato's body) and Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato and his summons. In a 1 on 1 fight that wouldn't work so no thay's not besting Nagato.

Nagato only got seal by plot, Kabuto blamed Nagato's immobility, this means he saw Totsuka blade but couldn't dodge it yet he didn't use deva path to block it. Itachi also only took out Nagato's shared vision when Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee so again that isn't proving Itachi besting him. I didn't see Edo Nagato using his 6 path of Pein which he could have used on other edo tensei like Obito or on ninjas he killed in the war. Put Itachi and Nagato 1 on 1 and see what happens, bet you Itachi wouldn't be besting Nagato the ways you think he did.

Obito didn't troll death, other people kept him alive so he had nothing to do with it. Madara/Zetsu saved Obito the first time, after losing the Bijuus Obito stayed alive due to the Gedo Mezo, after losiing the Gedo Mezo BZ kept him alive, after that Naruto prolonged Obito's death. Obito had nothing to do with staying alive since he didn't do anything to do so, Madara trolled death by dying then using Izanagi to bring himself back to life then set up plans to revive himself again using his seal in Obito. Jiraiya even trolled death by dying and willing himself back to life to finish what he wanted to do then died again. Orochimaru had ways on returning as well. Obito never did anything like those ninjas did when it came to trolling death.

 

[VongolaX]

The only reason Naruto didn't die there is because if Obito did kill Naruto then he wouldn't have been able to separate Minato and Kushina the way he wanted and needed to. Minato could have made a clone to fully seal Kushina's seal while he went after Obito who would lose as we seen him do when they did fight. So no Obito could not have killed Naruto if he wanted to do what he had planned. But since you're saying that then I can counter and say Obito would be dead if Madara and Zetsu didn't save him from the boulders so everything Obito did is thanks to Madara and Zetsu who trained him and manipulated things without Obito knowing.

It doesn't matter if Kabuto put Nagato in kill mode, Nagato is not fighting the way he would which is what made him undefeated when he was alive. Nagato never lost, his Peins were defeated but Nagato himself was never beaten. Nagato did not want to fight so that alone invalids the whole fight since it was Kabuto controlling him so Kabuto lost to Itachi, Naruto, and Bee. Itachi never bested Nagato, Nagato sensed Amaterasu, then KA was used on Itachi which confused Nagato as Kabuto watched on (he was still controlling Nagato's body) and Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato and his summons. In a 1 on 1 fight that wouldn't work so no thay's not besting Nagato.

Nagato only got seal by plot, Kabuto blamed Nagato's immobility, this means he saw Totsuka blade but couldn't dodge it yet he didn't use deva path to block it. Itachi also only took out Nagato's shared vision when Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee so again that isn't proving Itachi besting him. I didn't see Edo Nagato using his 6 path of Pein which he could have used on other edo tensei like Obito or on ninjas he killed in the war. Put Itachi and Nagato 1 on 1 and see what happens, bet you Itachi wouldn't be besting Nagato the ways you think he did.

Obito didn't troll death, other people kept him alive so he had nothing to do with it. Madara/Zetsu saved Obito the first time, after losing the Bijuus Obito stayed alive due to the Gedo Mezo, after losiing the Gedo Mezo BZ kept him alive, after that Naruto prolonged Obito's death. Obito had nothing to do with staying alive since he didn't do anything to do so, Madara trolled death by dying then using Izanagi to bring himself back to life then set up plans to revive himself again using his seal in Obito. Jiraiya even trolled death by dying and willing himself back to life to finish what he wanted to do then died again. Orochimaru had ways on returning as well. Obito never did anything like those ninjas did when it came to trolling death.

Obito forced his will to control BZ, to keep him alive.

Jiraiya got stabbed by black rods to death, while Obito took a Raikiri to the chest and lived with no heart.

 

[Vega]

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The only reason Naruto didn't die there is because if Obito did kill Naruto then he wouldn't have been able to separate Minato and Kushina the way he wanted and needed to. Minato could have made a clone to fully seal Kushina's seal while he went after Obito who would lose as we seen him do when they did fight. So no Obito could not have killed Naruto if he wanted to do what he had planned. But since you're saying that then I can counter and say Obito would be dead if Madara and Zetsu didn't save him from the boulders so everything Obito did is thanks to Madara and Zetsu who trained him and manipulated things without Obito knowing.

It doesn't matter if Kabuto put Nagato in kill mode, Nagato is not fighting the way he would which is what made him undefeated when he was alive. Nagato never lost, his Peins were defeated but Nagato himself was never beaten. Nagato did not want to fight so that alone invalids the whole fight since it was Kabuto controlling him so Kabuto lost to Itachi, Naruto, and Bee. Itachi never bested Nagato, Nagato sensed Amaterasu, then KA was used on Itachi which confused Nagato as Kabuto watched on (he was still controlling Nagato's body) and Itachi used Amaterasu on Nagato and his summons. In a 1 on 1 fight that wouldn't work so no thay's not besting Nagato.

Nagato only got seal by plot, Kabuto blamed Nagato's immobility, this means he saw Totsuka blade but couldn't dodge it yet he didn't use deva path to block it. Itachi also only took out Nagato's shared vision when Kabuto was focused on Naruto and Bee so again that isn't proving Itachi besting him. I didn't see Edo Nagato using his 6 path of Pein which he could have used on other edo tensei like Obito or on ninjas he killed in the war. Put Itachi and Nagato 1 on 1 and see what happens, bet you Itachi wouldn't be besting Nagato the ways you think he did.

Obito didn't troll death, other people kept him alive so he had nothing to do with it. Madara/Zetsu saved Obito the first time, after losing the Bijuus Obito stayed alive due to the Gedo Mezo, after losiing the Gedo Mezo BZ kept him alive, after that Naruto prolonged Obito's death. Obito had nothing to do with staying alive since he didn't do anything to do so, Madara trolled death by dying then using Izanagi to bring himself back to life then set up plans to revive himself again using his seal in Obito. Jiraiya even trolled death by dying and willing himself back to life to finish what he wanted to do then died again. Orochimaru had ways on returning as well. Obito never did anything like those ninjas did when it came to trolling death.

I can easily refute much of that, but its clear that this is something that we see different. Therefore its best to agree to disagree.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Obito forced his will to control BZ, to keep him alive.

Jiraiya got stabbed by black rods to death, while Obito took a Raikiri to the chest and lived with no heart.

But he couldn't do it for long right? That's not trolling death since he was already saved by BZ and took control for a few moments and it wasn't to keep himself alive but to revive Naruto and prevent Madara from getting his Rinnegan by asking Sakura to destroy it. Jiraiya willed himself back to life after being stabbed then died after fulfilling what he wanted to do. And Obito lived due to the Zetsu part of him which also allows him to not need to eat or poop lol

 

[synkross]

Obito Owns this manga. he is at the center of the plot connecting past to present and has influenced the story the most.
All the major events of this manga had Obito's hand in it.
-Nine-tails attack (The start of Naruto's story)
-Uchiha Massacre( happended due to Obito's Nine tails attack. and Obito was the one who took part in it.Reason for Sasuke's story)
-Akatsuki (all under his command)
-The War (the war that will change narutoverse forever)

 

[Angelic.]

did zabuza attack yagura? bc that was obito too. if obito caused his and hakus suffwring then that connects them too.
not sure on the timeline for mist and what bloody mist was...

 

[xxSAGExx]

Obito Owns this manga. he is at the center of the plot connecting past to present and has influenced the story the most.
All the major events of this manga had Obito's hand in it.
-Nine-tails attack (The start of Naruto's story)
-Uchiha Massacre( happended due to Obito's Nine tails attack. and Obito was the one who took part in it.Reason for Sasuke's story)
-Akatsuki (all under his command)
-The War (the war that will change narutoverse forever)

You mean BZ owns the manga since he was the one to actually manipulate things Madara did and Madara manipulated what Obito did. Obito in fact acted as Madara and did what Madara would do.

Danzo had more to do with the Uchiha massacre since he didn't allow the Uchihas to help out when Kurama attack and this built hate and distrust among the villagers who were mad the Uchihas didn't help when they lost a lot of people and feared they were behind it. Danzo then prevented Shisui from using KA on Itachi's dad by taking his eye and made the only choice for Itachi to kill the Uchihas. Danzo is the cause for Sasuke's path as well because of this.

Akatsuki was still doing what Madara wanted since when he was revived as an Edo, he knew the plan and said him being an edo wasn't part of the plan and had backup plan setup where he could control Obito if need be. The war was Madara's plan as well to put them all under IT but everything was BZ plan either way.

 

[VongolaX]

But he couldn't do it for long right? That's not trolling death since he was already saved by BZ and took control for a few moments and it wasn't to keep himself alive but to revive Naruto and prevent Madara from getting his Rinnegan by asking Sakura to destroy it. Jiraiya willed himself back to life after being stabbed then died after fulfilling what he wanted to do. And Obito lived due to the Zetsu part of him which also allows him to not need to eat or poop lol

Longer than Jiraiya...yes, it was Obito's will that manipulated Obito to his doing (that was the point)

Jiraiya revived for 20 seconds (to write the message), and died later on.

He was never stabbed again...

Obito being able to damage and escape Rikudou Madara, is far greater than surviving pain's rods.

He was on death row, yet was able to stab Madara bare hand, absorb his chakra, created his rikudou staff, and rip out the remaining bijuu power.

Jiraiya can't even come close to fighting a juubi jinchuuriki and live in the next few chapters.

Lastly (most important)

Do not listen to the idiot that said Obito is made from zetsu part.

He is 100% not zetsu!!!

Zetsu are humans that were trapped in Gedo from the Infinte tsukyomi.

When kcm naruto used rasengan on the white Zetsus, they turned into a tree.

When Obito was hit by kcm naruto rasengan, he didn't turn into a tree he just healed.

Even spiral zetsu stated that Obito is half Hashirama, half senju.

Zetsus are not senju or Hashirama

So the whole eat and not pooing is completely false.

 

[Angelic.]

the zetsu said obito didnt need to eat anymore or poo. lol. hes not zetsu but is similiar.

 

[Juke]

Obito is probably the best developed character in this series, if true peace is achieved after the war then he'd be the reason for it.

 

[xxSAGExx]

Longer than Jiraiya...yes, it was Obito's will that manipulated Obito to his doing (that was the point)

Jiraiya revived for 20 seconds (to write the message), and died later on.

He was never stabbed again...

Obito being able to damage and escape Rikudou Madara, is far greater than surviving pain's rods.

He was on death row, yet was able to stab Madara bare hand, absorb his chakra, created his rikudou staff, and rip out the remaining bijuu power.

Jiraiya can't even come close to fighting a juubi jinchuuriki and live in the next few chapters.

Lastly (most important)

Do not listen to the idiot that said Obito is made from zetsu part.

He is 100% not zetsu!!!

Zetsu are humans that were trapped in Gedo from the Infinte tsukyomi.

When kcm naruto used rasengan on the white Zetsus, they turned into a tree.

When Obito was hit by kcm naruto rasengan, he didn't turn into a tree he just healed.

Even spiral zetsu stated that Obito is half Hashirama, half senju.

Zetsus are not senju or Hashirama

So the whole eat and not pooing is completely false.

It doesn't matter how long Jiraiya was alive for, the fact that he died and willed himself back alive is a feat in itself. It's not like Obito fought him way to Madara, Madara thought he was manipulating Obito again then Obito used either his Rinnegan or BZ to pull out some of Madara's chakra which then allowed him to fight Madara and it was mostly thanks to his Kamui. I wasn't trying to hate on Obito, I just don't agree with the thread name because none of what's happening would have happen if it wasn't for Obito, Madara and BZ might have used another Uchiha but things would have played out differently and I can see it not being as bad since Minato and Kushina would be alive for Naruto and stood a chance in preventing the Uchiha coup.

I never said he was 100% Zetsu, Zetsu stated that Obito can survive without eating or drinking and you poop to get rid of the waste that you eat so my statement there is still valid

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. Madara said half of Obito's body is Senju cells

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and he used the Gedo to make more of Hashirama's cells

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. It's the God tree that wraps people up and turns them to white Zetsus so the form that Madara can create with Hashirama's cells being White zetsu doesn't mean it's wrong. The Zetsus Madara and Obito used were Hashirama's cells made, what we see in the manga now are humans being made zetsus.

 

[VongolaX]

It doesn't matter how long Jiraiya was alive for, the fact that he died and willed himself back alive is a feat in itself. It's not like Obito fought him way to Madara, Madara thought he was manipulating Obito again then Obito used either his Rinnegan or BZ to pull out some of Madara's chakra which then allowed him to fight Madara and it was mostly thanks to his Kamui. I wasn't trying to hate on Obito, I just don't agree with the thread name because none of what's happening would have happen if it wasn't for Obito, Madara and BZ might have used another Uchiha but things would have played out differently and I can see it not being as bad since Minato and Kushina would be alive for Naruto and stood a chance in preventing the Uchiha coup.

Well Madara had plenty of time for a rebuttal, but Obito still damaged him and did what he needed to do.

He knew he wasn't controlling him, that's why he was trying to sway him by calling him savior .

The point I'm trying to make is that if you compare the two opponents that they faced, Obito's outweights Jiraiya by a lot.

It's cool that he forced himself to wake up all on will, but Obito has been fighting and doing everything by will.

Controlling Kaguya's will (black zetsu)

Dominating Edo Madara's will (the rods in his body)

Overcoming the juubi by will alone

So, I think that Obito should be recognized as such.

You also can't just say he could use any uchiha...

He had planned the whole mist incident to see Obito's level of power.

Since he was impressed he decided to stick with him, remember that he has been watching Obito for ever now, he didn't go about picking any random uchiha.

After being impressed of Obito's level, mokuton skills, and uchiha power(kamui)....

He entrusted him to carry out his plan, learn to use Gedo mazou, taught him the techniques (forbidden uchiha tech, six path tech, and yin yang release).

I never said he was 100% Zetsu, Zetsu stated that Obito can survive without eating or drinking and you poop to get rid of the waste that you eat so my statement there is still valid

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. Madara said half of Obito's body is Senju cells

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and he used the Gedo to make more of Hashirama's cells

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. It's the God tree that wraps people up and turns them to white Zetsus so the form that Madara can create with Hashirama's cells being White zetsu doesn't mean it's wrong. The Zetsus Madara and Obito used were Hashirama's cells made, what we see in the manga now are humans being made zetsus.

Again, Zetsu are people...

Madara had Hashirama cells before he even summoned Gedo mazou, so Madara is not included in this horrid zetsu goo theory.

Madara put Hashirama cells into Gedo mazou to bring out the people who were turned into white Zetsus from Infinte tsukyomi.

That same cell that he punned into Gedo was the same that was used on Obito.

You can't just tear up zetsu and attach it to someone, they're people.

Obito wouldn't be able to use mokuton with it and would be a tree by now.

Spiral zetsu said it, that he is part of Hashirama's tissue... Not zetsu goo.

That's just a theory, it's non factual and been proven wrong ever since.