EMS madara vs Base hashirama

[Demonic.]

Perfect Susanoo tears off all of Hashirama's construction. Without SM, his Mokujin that was battling (still got destroyed later in the formation of the barrier), will not defend against Perfect Susanoo's slashes. No need to mention anything else. And quite the unfortunate, Madara beats SM Hashirama via Izanagi; though idiocy and fanboysim shall disagree.​

*facepalm*

OT: Hashirama still wins.

 

[V h o]

and that is why anime has no credibility especially when they do they're own thing

Well the manga doesn't really contradict that PS needs Buddha to fight or destroy PS-I think. Hashirama was fighting edo madara (in PS) with the golem.

 

[Conspirator.]

Well the manga doesn't really contradict that PS needs Buddha to fight or destroy PS-I think. Hashirama was fighting edo madara (in PS) with the golem.

That really isn't the case if we go by the manga. Whilst it's true that Hashirama's wood golem was stalemating Madara's PS in the manga, what people often forget is that Hashirama was in sage mode when that happened.(I myself only noticed this recently.) When people think of Hashi's sage mode, they think of the Buddha; but the truth is that he can still use his "base" techniques even in SM. Now, SM enhances your jutsu strength by a certain factor, and the wood golem that Hashirama used(while in Sage mode) was bigger than the one used at the VOTe.(if you check the scans) This contradicts what happened in the anime. As Madara's PS was stalemating a SM enhanced mokujin, I believe Madara's PS would overpower base hashirama's mokujin. I am not saying Madara wins, just saying that PS vs base mokujin would favour Madara.

 

[V h o]

That really isn't the case if we go by the manga. Whilst it's true that Hashirama's wood golem was stalemating Madara's PS in the manga, what people often forget is that Hashirama was in sage mode when that happened.(I myself only noticed this recently.) When people think of Hashi's sage mode, they think of the Buddha; but the truth is that he can still use his "base" techniques even in SM. Now, SM enhances your jutsu strength by a certain factor, and the wood golem that Hashirama used(while in Sage mode) was bigger than the one used at the VOTe.(if you check the scans) This contradicts what happened in the anime. As Madara's PS was stalemating a SM enhanced mokujin, I believe Madara's PS would overpower base hashirama's mokujin. I am not saying Madara wins, just saying that PS vs base mokujin would favour Madara.

That is also true, however he

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it here and he didn't seem to be in sage mode, although I could be wrong. Also has it told how his jutsu are increased by sage mode?

Edit: Nevermind I see what you meant.

 

[Unorthodox]

Well the manga doesn't really contradict that PS needs Buddha to fight or destroy PS-I think. Hashirama was fighting edo madara (in PS) with the golem.

Madara already destroyed that golem multiply times during there fight plus it was inhanced due to Hashirama using sage mode. Madaras ps blades choped the buddahs hands with ease mokujin is fodderized

 

[Gagster]

Madara gets stomped without the Kyubi.

 

[Conspirator.]

That is also true, however he

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it here and he didn't seem to be in sage mode, although I could be wrong. Also has it told how his jutsu are increased by sage mode?

He was fighting Kurama at first(with the wood golem and wood dragon). Madara just started using Susanoo on that panel, and it wasn't even PS but his v4 unstabilized version. As for sage mode:

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This applies to all variants of sage mode. All your jutsus get enhanced. For example, Hashirama might still be able to use the Buddha in "base mode", but it wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as the SM version he used at the VOTE.

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara gets stomped without the Kyubi.

slap yourself fodder

 

[V h o]

He was fighting Kurama at first(with the wood golem and wood dragon). Madara just started using Susanoo on that panel, and it wasn't even PS but his v4 unstabilized version. As for sage mode:

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This applies to all variants of sage mode. All your jutsus get enhanced. For example, Hashirama might still be able to use the Buddha in "base mode", but it wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful as the SM version he used at the VOTE.

Yea I saw what you meant earlier about the size difference between SM golem and base golem. Although I still don't believe Buddha is required to fight or beat PS, albeit SM is probably required. Not sure on Hashirama using Buddha when not in sage mode.

 

[Demonic.]

slap yourself fodder

Hey shut up.


It's true. Madara armed the Kyubi with Susano and he still lost. Hashirama didn't even have killing intent to the very end. I guess Madara admitting inferiority isn't enough for you people.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Hashirama pins down perfect susanoo with gates, not even juubi has the strength to escape, madara would be forced to deactivate susanoo to get out of its hold

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slap yourself nothing in his arsenal can tank ps slashes with ease SS is his strongest offense and defense and the arms was shredded like butter against ps blades

Slap yourself The mokujin or the mokuryu dodges them or blocks them as shown in canon

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Madara already destroyed that golem multiply times during there fight plus it was inhanced due to Hashirama using sage mode. Madaras ps blades choped the buddahs hands with ease mokujin is fodderized

Slap yourself, madara's susanoo and mokujin were destroyed by the four juubi bombs exploding inside the barrier, madara didnt do jack shit

 

[TRE MERCER]

Hashirama loses. He needed the Buddah to stop Ps. Mokujin gets Obliterated against ps in a 1v1 battle.

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

Hashirama loses. He needed the Buddah to stop Ps. Mokujin gets Obliterated against ps in a 1v1 battle.

funny cause they fought in canon, and madara wasnt able to do anything to it

 

[Blackdeath667]

That really isn't the case if we go by the manga. Whilst it's true that Hashirama's wood golem was stalemating Madara's PS in the manga, what people often forget is that Hashirama was in sage mode when that happened.(I myself only noticed this recently.) When people think of Hashi's sage mode, they think of the Buddha; but the truth is that he can still use his "base" techniques even in SM. Now, SM enhances your jutsu strength by a certain factor, and the wood golem that Hashirama used(while in Sage mode) was bigger than the one used at the VOTe.(if you check the scans) This contradicts what happened in the anime. As Madara's PS was stalemating a SM enhanced mokujin, I believe Madara's PS would overpower base hashirama's mokujin. I am not saying Madara wins, just saying that PS vs base mokujin would favour Madara.

this...would mean ems madara wins with the restrictions

how would hashi win if what the above said is true???

 

[VongolaX]

Hashirama pins down perfect susanoo with gates, not even juubi has the strength to escape, madara would be forced to deactivate susanoo to get out of its hold

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Slap yourself The mokujin or the mokuryu dodges them or blocks them as shown in canon

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Slap yourself, madara's susanoo and mokujin were destroyed by the four juubi bombs exploding inside the barrier, madara didnt do jack shit

Dude, alive madara crushed the sh*t out of those gates.

Those are seals, Edo tensei is a b*tch when it comes to seals.

 

[TRE MERCER]

funny cause they fought in canon, and madara wasnt able to do anything to it

Please don't reply to me when your original post was Hashirama using those gate while in SAGE MODE which is clearly resticted.

Also that Mokujin was inhance by Hashirama's Sm.

 

[ARGUS]

whats with people saying that hashirama needs SS to compete against PS,
he resorted to using that since madara also had the kyuubi under his control, which gave madara a huge advantage in firepower,

otherwise Mokujin along with Mokuryu and other mokuton variants allow hashirama to fight against PS quite well
and can mostly likely win the fight through outlasting

 

[TRE MERCER]

whats with people saying that hashirama needs SS to compete against PS,
he resorted to using that since madara also had the kyuubi under his control, which gave madara a huge advantage in firepower,

otherwise Mokujin along with Mokuryu and other mokuton variants allow hashirama to fight against PS quite well
and can mostly likely win the fight through outlasting

L0l no Ps already proved that it's not only far greater than Mokujin in terms of Durability it can also chop Mokujin up like it's nothing.