The Space/Time Misconception

[BlacLord™]

Nah Noto, didn't you read the chapter where Obito and Sakura saved Sasuke? Sasuke swapped places with Sakuras jacket that is how it works he can only swapmwith inanimate objects, and that case there was a lot of rubble to swap with

1) It's called Space-Time Ninjutsu (Jikukan Ninjutsu)

2) Sasuke's ability works by swapping with anything, including just a physical space.

3) When you move through space, it takes time to do so. As Wolfus noted, teleporting involves creating a fold to make the distance from A to B close to 0, so close that the time it takes to travel from A to B is what we commonly refer to as instant but in actual fact, it's just a very, very small amount of time.

 

[Hori]

According to Einstein, specifically the theory of relativity states that time is relative. If someone moves at the speed of light, your perception of time will not change for you but for the person going light speed. To them, time will be frozen. That's where the time manipulation comes from.

A individual going really fast, perceives time faster- meaning that you will perceive them slower to them. Basically if a individual has a technique that enables light speed movement then the technique has the side effect of the user having the perception than time has stopped because they are moving so fast.

For example, Haku stated that he views naruto and Sasuke in slow motion.

Strictly speaking it's not time manipulation since as a whole it is is constant - ( unless you traverse time/stop time ) it is really your perception of time that changes.

Time manipulation is a secondary effect of space manipulation. For example, if you uses space manipulation to move instantaneously, then nothing else moves while you can. If you can move while nothing else can, time is effectively stopped.

Well moving fast does not grant the ability to manipulate time. You see if you manipulate time it would mean liie Guldo from Ginyu force that bastard was able to stop time by holding his breath, that is what I call time manipulation. If you can stop or fast foward time for everyone not just yourself but also people around you then you manipulate time. But if you move to another dimension and come back on another instantly you just manipulated space there... simple because time for others around you never changed. But you I see you use second hand knowledge I suppose I cannot win nor lose agaist you.

 

[Hori]

1) It's called Space-Time Ninjutsu (Jikukan Ninjutsu)

2) Sasuke's ability works by swapping with anything, including just a physical space.

3) When you move through space, it takes time to do so. As Wolfus noted, teleporting involves creating a fold to make the distance from A to B close to 0, so close that the time it takes to travel from A to B is what we commonly refer to as instant but in actual fact, it's just a very, very small amount of time.

Yeah I am aware whats its called I'm currently trying to change that.

 

[Wolfus]

Then let me ask you how does distorting space make time change? Doing that does not mean you can control time its just travelling at a greater speed than normal. Also Goku's IT is at the speed of light check the episode. If Obito uses kamui my sense if time does not change... meaning he does not change time but the space he distorts causes an abnormality in him and make him travel faster liie how Guy did when he was facing Madz while in 8 inner gates formation.

Space and time are connected. See Einstein's work. If you don't believe him, disprove his theory.

 

[Hori]

Space and time are connected. See Einstein's work. If you don't believe him, disprove his theory.

What is this, do you admit defeat? Lol you should have not brought physics into manga.

 

[Wolfus]

What is this, do you admit defeat? Lol you should have not brought physics into manga.

No, I don't admit defeat. Didn't kishi state that the narutoverse world is pretty much like ours except for shinobi pwoers and lack of technology? So that means that physcis still apply.

Don't try to run away from it simply because you can't understand it.

 

[Hori]

No, I don't admit defeat. Didn't kishi state that the narutoverse world is pretty much like ours except for shinobi pwoers and lack of technology? So that means that physcis still apply.

Don't try to run away from it simply because you can't understand it.

I do understand it, there far too many things thay physics cannot explain in Naruto. The thing is you cannot explain time and space in naruto terms. Like I said before manipulating space and making the time seem to go slow in your own perception of time does not mean you can manipulate time but that is just the effect of the space you are distorting or manipulating. So straight there you manipulated space and that caused your sense of time to change, while if you manipulate time it would stop for everyone you dont even need to move fast to manipulate time. Guldo from the Ginyu force is a good example of this. Or something like a time machine that controls time it has nothing to do with space.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Let's take Obito's Kamui as the example. When Obito exists as both a three dimensional object and something else that can be both visible and invisible, tangible and intangible he operates outside the rules that govern our three dimensional existence and is minimally represented in a fourth dimension. We know that when activating Kamui he can go from A to B without having traverse the space (distance between A&B =Space. Movement to traverse=Time). Hence Space/Time are joined, hence space-time Jutsu.

 

[Wolfus]

I do understand it, there far too many things thay physics cannot explain in Naruto. The thing is you cannot explain time and space in naruto terms. Like I said before manipulating space and making the time seem to go slow in your own perception of time does not mean you can manipulate time but that is just the effect of the space you are distorting or manipulating. So straight there you manipulated space and that caused your sense of time to change, while if you manipulate time it would stop for everyone you dont even need to move fast to manipulate time. Guldo from the Ginyu force is a good example of this. Or something like a time machine that controls time it has nothing to do with space.

I'm sorry, but I have no reason(read it as you have no evidence) to believe that in NV, time and space are not connected. In our world, in our universe, they are connected(einstein's theory).
I highly doubt that kishimot developted entire different rules for his universe. In fact, it's canon that FTG and kamui are space-time ninjutsus, they were called that by naruto's own chars.

That is evidence that space-time in NV is just like space-time in here. You however have no evidence of the opposite.

 

[iNotorious]

Nah Noto, didn't you read the chapter where Obito and Sakura saved Sasuke? Sasuke swapped places with Sakuras jacket that is how it works he can only swapmwith inanimate objects, and that case there was a lot of rubble to swap with

Trust me on this one Hori.

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[Hori]

I'm sorry, but I have no reason(read it as you have no evidence) to believe that in NV, time and space are not connected. In our world, in our universe, they are connected(einstein's theory).
I highly doubt that kishimot developted entire different rules for his universe. In fact, it's canon that FTG and kamui are space-time ninjutsus, they were called that by naruto's own chars.

That is evidence that space-time in NV is just like space-time in here. You however have no evidence of the opposite.

Well I am writing this with my own understanding, according to you time and space is relative and if you move fast enough to percieve your suroundings as like time to you is slowing down there you manipulate time and space right? Well isn't the time persperctive distorted because of manipulating space? Well it is but in reality its not, its like you say if you are high since the way look at things change it means things did really change.. which is obsurd. Do you know how a time machine people theorised howbit should work? Is space distortion required for it?

 

[Wolfus]

Well I am writing this with my own understanding, according to you time and space is relative and if you move fast enough to percieve your suroundings as like time to you is slowing down there you manipulate time and space right? Well isn't the time persperctive distorted because of manipulating space? Well it is but in reality its not, its like you say if you are high since the way look at things change it means things did really change.. which is obsurd. Do you know how a time machine people theorised howbit should work? Is space distortion required for it?

And then there's Einsteins theory for you. I already proved my point with both narutoberse and our universe be similar when it's about space-time.

Now, if you're trying to convince me that space and time are not connected, then disprove einstein's theory. Because "Well it is but in reality it's not" is not enough to disprove Einstein.

Oh, and good luck with that.

 

[Hori]

Let's take Obito's Kamui as the example. When Obito exists as both a three dimensional object and something else that can be both visible and invisible, tangible and intangible he operates outside the rules that govern our three dimensional existence and is minimally represented in a fourth dimension. We know that when activating Kamui he can go from A to B without having traverse the space (distance between A&B =Space. Movement to traverse=Time). Hence Space/Time are joined, hence space-time Jutsu.

I see it as as extreme space, Obito was able to reach Sasuke and Itachi battlefield by means of his kamui. Obito enters his kamui dimension whichnI think time flows slowly that in normal time. Remember how quickly Karin rejuvinated Sasuke after his fight with the kage inorder for him to fight Danzo? Obito just has a realm that has slow time flow, when he goes there time in the original dimension is not affected, damn people read previous posts I hste repeating one and the same thing.

 

[Hori]

And then there's Einsteins theory for you. I already proved my point with both narutoberse and our universe be similar when it's about space-time.

Now, if you're trying to convince me that space and time are not connected, then disprove einstein's theory. Because "Well it is but in reality it's not" is not enough to disprove Einstein.

Oh, and good luck with that.

Meh... you are just a fan boy of Einstein, how can an individual sense of time distortion mean that he can manipulate time? I have already proven it wrong. If a person can stop time or fast foward it then it is time manipulation, why are you not understanding this?

 

[Gyakusetsu]

I see it as as extreme space, Obito was able to reach Sasuke and Itachi battlefield by means of his kamui. Obito enters his kamui dimension whichnI think time flows slowly that in normal time. Remember how quickly Karin rejuvinated Sasuke after his fight with the kage inorder for him to fight Danzo? Obito just has a realm that has slow time flow, when he goes there time in the original dimension is not affected, damn people read previous posts I hste repeating one and the same thing.

Obito just traveled instantly to Kaguya's dimension after synching with it. Obito can exist at point A (our 3D world) and B (pocket dimension) simultaneously. If you say "well, there is no distance to the pocket dimension." That is exactly the point.

 

[Wolfus]

Meh... you are just a fan boy of Einstein, how can an individual sense of time distortion mean that he can manipulate time? I have already proven it wrong. If a person can stop time or fast foward it then it is time manipulation, why are you not understanding this?

Bold- Hahahaha, what?

Dude, you disprove nothig. Wow, people deny even Einstein's work when it's convenient for them.

Anyway, you didn't disprove anything. Go read about the theory of relativity, then put down all of it's calculations and evidences.

And again, good luck with that.

 

[Hori]

Obito just traveled instantly to Kaguya's dimension after synching with it. Obito can exist at point A (our 3D world) and B (pocket dimension) simultaneously. If you say "well, there is no distance to the pocket dimension." That is exactly the point.

No Obito cannot exist at both places at once, he is not omnipotent, what we usually see people passing through is just an afterimage of Obito.... Obito can only exist in one place at a time

 

[Hori]

Bold- Hahahaha, what?

Dude, you disprove nothig. Wow, people deny even Einstein's work when it's convenient for them.

Anyway, you didn't disprove anything. Go read about the theory of relativity, then put down all of it's calculations and evidences.

And again, good luck with that.

Lol Naruto and physics do not go along, it can applly but not that much extent. I have no time for reading the relativity theory I understand it already, you are using something right in a wrong place, re read my posts, that relativity theory relies on spectators and the way people sense time. All you did was talk about this theory which is no part of Naruto, you clearly do not understand that every teleporting jutsu has its own dimension like how the summoning jutsu works.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

No Obito cannot exist at both places at once, he is not omnipotent, what we usually see people passing through is just an afterimage of Obito.... Obito can only exist in one place at a time

Is the afterimage able to perceive? I believe he has had a Kunai pass through his skull while trying to grab someone. He has to be able to perceive in order to avoid, no?

 

[Wolfus]

Lol Naruto and physics do not go along, it can applly but not that much extent. I have no time for reading the relativity theory I understand it already, you are using something right in a wrong place, re read my posts, that relativity theory relies on spectators and the way people sense time. All you did was talk about this theory which is no part of Naruto, you clearly do not understand that every teleporting jutsu has its own dimension like how the summoning jutsu works.

BS. There's no evidence to believe that space-time in NV is different from real life's. You have no proof other than a baseless assumption.

Also, for fuc*'s sake, kishimoto himself called the jutsu a "space-time ninjutsu". You're gonna discuss with the author?