[Discussion] The Third Mangekyou Tech: Susano

[Mugiwara]

Decided to create a discussion thread, to discuss the Final mangekyou tech: The Susano.

We'll start off with discussing why Itachi's Susano was different, than Sasukes Susano, and what the difference means, is it more powerful, or is it just looks. And also Itachi's version had 5 fingers, while Sasukes has 6, is there something in the Japanese mythology about this or?

 

[Sinister]

well if ya go back to the sasuke vs itachi fight. when the susano forms around itachi it goes (i think)

Bones>Muscles>Skin>Armor(full version)

so far we seen the Bones and muscles from sasuke. so maybe he has reached his full potential in unleashing it.

but then again sasuke's may be different cause in the latest chapter Madara says something about "thats what his looks like" indicating that it may look different.

final theory lol.

Maybe sasuke's looks different because of the evil inside of him

 

[Mugiwara]

well if ya go back to the sasuke vs itachi fight. when the susano forms around itachi it goes (i think)

Bones>Muscles>Skin>Armor(full version)

so far we seen the Bones and muscles from sasuke. so maybe he has reached his full potential in unleashing it.

but then again sasuke's may be different cause in the latest chapter Madara says something about "thats what his looks like" indicating that it may look different.

final theory lol.

Maybe sasuke's looks different because of the evil inside of him

Of course Sasukes version is evil but, does Sasukes Version having 6 fingers and Itachis only having 5 have a meaning, is there anything in the mythology about this? Evil = 6 fingers or something? xd
Also I think by the time Sasukes Susanoo reaches the state where it gets armor, Sasuke might go blind, unless he implants Itachis eyes

 

[Konoha's Yellow Flash]

kinda okward but maybe the user decides or choses how susanoo will look like.Sasuke?s susanoo is different, as said earlier, it may be because of the hatred in his heart or because it is incomplete.

 

[Nero]

Itachis susano had a shield that could reflect damage and had a blade that can put the opponent in a never ending Genjutsu... I dont know if Sasu's has the same but thats a difference

 

[Sinister]

Spoiler

In Japanese mythology, Susano’o, the powerful storm of Summer, is the brother of Amaterasu, the goddess of the sun, and of Tsukuyomi, the god of the moon. All three were spawned from Izanagi, when he washed his face clean of the pollutants of Yomi, the underworld. Amaterasu was born when Izanagi washed out his left eye, Tsukuyomi was born from the washing of the right eye, and Susano’o from the washing of the nose.

Probally doesnt mean much regarding sasuke but if ya read the rest from wikipedia it refers to the Kusanagi and orochimaru(japanes mythology) I dont know if i can post links tho

 

[ArizonaMan11]

by madaras comments "so his looks like that" . I assume they all differ in looks just like MS pattern on the eye

 

[Mugiwara]

Itachis susano had a shield that could reflect damage and had a blade that can put the opponent in a never ending Genjutsu... I dont know if Sasu's has the same but thats a difference

They were also mythological items that Itachi had added to his Susanoo.
Without them, itachis version would look like:

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Itachis version was unbeatable as for Sasukes version, its ribs got broken, so that means that Sasuke doesnt have that Yatas mirror for all we know, cause as soon as Itachi activated his Susano, before even the bones took shape yatas mirror was there to protect him against Kirin.

Sasukes susanoo may be really strong defense and all, but I really doubt that its unbeatable.
We've seen it get attacked by getting thrown to the ground, its ribs broke, even though they had just formed, its shows its not indestructible.

When it had gotten muscles and started to take shape, it took 4 different bullet/exploding techs.

Temaris wind may be able to cut a little, but its nowhere near to what Narutos Rasenshuriken is able to do.

So I think that Rasenshuriken is able to cut Susano, cause there is nothing stating that its not. As we have seen, Rasenshuriken can cut through rocks like if they were paper.

What do you think of Susanoo defense?

 

[chopsy16]

Itachis susano had a shield that could reflect damage and had a blade that can put the opponent in a never ending Genjutsu... I dont know if Sasu's has the same but thats a difference

See that's where I always get confused. The Yata's mirror and the sword of Totsuka, these supernatural items, are they seperate from a Susanoo or they show up when a Susanoo is complete?

A lot of people say that Itachi had these items seperately and he used them along with his Susanoo to make it like an invincible package. Some say that these items show up when your Susanoo is complete. Also, if we look at Sasuke's Susanoo it has a sword too? Right, caz he broke the pillars with a sword Susanoo was holding during the Kage summit? So what was that sword?


Anyways coming back to topic, I think Susanoo is formed when MS is used in both eyes. Right eye is Amaterasu and left is Tsukyomi. I think thats what sasuke said that those who can control Double Mangekyo can develop a Susanoo. Sasuke's power and chakra are more evil than Itachi's, so I have a feeling his Susanoo will become stronger than Itachi's as we go on. I think by showing that it has 6 fingers Kishi it trying to tell that Sasuke's will be more powerful.

 

[db3st]

Well idk.. But jux wanting to post something that might b of interest.... Sasukes ms has six points. Wen sasuke was fighting the samurais wen kishi drew his inner darkness it also had six fingers. Susanoo has six fingers. Maybe 666 n as i recall that isnt a good number. So maybe hes going to represent the darkness where there is no such thing as going back.

 

[Mugiwara]

See that's where I always get confused. The Yata's mirror and the sword of Totsuka, these supernatural items, are they seperate from a Susanoo or they show up when a Susanoo is complete?

A lot of people say that Itachi had these items seperately and he used them along with his Susanoo to make it like an invincible package. Some say that these items show up when your Susanoo is complete. Also, if we look at Sasuke's Susanoo it has a sword too? Right, caz he broke the pillars with a sword Susanoo was holding during the Kage summit? So what was that sword?


Anyways coming back to topic, I think Susanoo is formed when MS is used in both eyes. Right eye is Amaterasu and left is Tsukyomi. I think thats what sasuke said that those who can control Double Mangekyo can develop a Susanoo. Sasuke's power and chakra are more evil than Itachi's, so I have a feeling his Susanoo will become stronger than Itachi's as we go on. I think by showing that it has 6 fingers Kishi it trying to tell that Sasuke's will be more powerful.

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See the Jar that Itachi is holding, also the susanoo is holding, thats the Totsuka sword, Sasuke doesnt have it, so hes susano doesnt have Totsuka sword.
Yatas mirrors is like a barrier around itachi and his susano, deflecting everything, is appears as soon as Itachi activates his susano, even before susano is formed, its still there (cause when sasuke attacked with kirin, itachi activated his susano and got protected by yatas mirror, but susano only started forming seconds later). and when sasuke fought with his susano, we could clearly see there was no invisble barrier as raikage easily chopped between the ribs.

Well idk.. But jux wanting to post something that might b of interest.... Sasukes ms has six points. Wen sasuke was fighting the samurais wen kishi drew his inner darkness it also had six fingers. Susanoo has six fingers. Maybe 666 n as i recall that isnt a good number. So maybe hes going to represent the darkness where there is no such thing as going back.

I never thought of that

 

[Regulus]

Well idk.. But jux wanting to post something that might b of interest.... Sasukes ms has six points. Wen sasuke was fighting the samurais wen kishi drew his inner darkness it also had six fingers. Susanoo has six fingers. Maybe 666 n as i recall that isnt a good number. So maybe hes going to represent the darkness where there is no such thing as going back.

I was thinking the same thing, 666 is the sign of the Devil, evil incanate.

 

[Ecchidaime]

suusano is awsome it can destroy and block anything!!!

 

[platinum69]

Now the Demon we saw in

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people said that it might of been just a genjutsu which Sasuke created...

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but here we have "shi" thinking "His Chakra... They're the same as when he used that genjutsu"

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After seeing this

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and also Karin mentions a few times that Sasuke chakra is getting so cold and getting so Dark...


So to use Susanoo or the ability to summon Susanoo, you might have to create this being from your personalty... or when unlocking the MS, you are engulfed by this "being" which starts developing into Susanoo... and its appearance depends on the MS users personalty...

Maybe thats why Itachi's Susanoo looked more like a Knight or Samurai/ Yamabushi

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... and Sasukes looks Devilish... which would mean Madara might have one too...

I was thinking that Susanoo could even be created and starts developing as soon as the Sharingan is unlocked... because it would be impossible to create such a being in the time frame Sasuke has unlocked MS...

This opens up the possibility that ther could be more then one kind of Susanoo...





Please let me know what you think... or if you could add to this...



I got this from Narutopedia

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* Name: Susanoo (須佐能乎; Literally meaning "He with the ability to help by all means")
* Type: Kekkei genkai, No rank, Offensive, Defensive, All ranges[1]
* Users: Itachi Uchiha, Sasuke Uchiha
* Debut (Manga): Chapter 391

Susanoo is a technique that creates a spiritual being resembling a yamabushi. It wields the sacred Yata no Kagami (八咫鏡, Eight Span Mirror), a mirror that's considered one of the three sacred treasures capable of reflecting all attacks, as a shield in its left hand. In its right, the legendary Totsuka no Tsurugi (十拳剣, Ten Hands Long Sword), also known as the Sakenagi Longsword (酒刈太刀, Sakenagi no Tachi; Sake Cutter Longsword), is held. The Totsuka no Tsurugi, commonly sheathed in a sake jar held by a third hand growing from Susanoo's right forearm, is an ethereal weapon with an enchanted blade capable of sealing anything it pierces in an eternal dream-like illusion, and is described as the perfect counter to Orochimaru's Kusanagi Sword. Like the Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, Susanoo is an ability of the Mangekyo Sharingan. Zetsu said that Susanoo's Totsuka Sword combined with the Yata mirror essentially makes Itachi invincible. Susanoo has been labeled as the "Raging God of Battle".

The Sword itself can be presumed as an extension added to the technique as Zetsu mentioned that no matter where Orochimaru searched for it, he could never find it. It is also possible the Mirror can be another extension, as Zetsu also mentioned that it is another legendary item, on par with the Sword.

Like the other Mangekyo Sharingan techniques, Susanoo comes with its own risks. To keep Susanoo sustained in the physical realm, the user must act as a medium for the deity, allowing it to consume their life force energy. This puts a severe strain on the user's body and prolonged use will lead to their death.

Sasuke has also been shown to use Susanoo's bones to protect himself from the Current Raikage's Lightning Self Bomb. Though Sasuke managed to survive the impact, one of Susanoo's rib bones snapped. Sasuke has also combined Susanoo with Amaterasu for defensive maneuvers, wrapping himself with the black flames of Amaterasu as a shield while protecting himself from it with Susanoo.

something odd I came across... if you look at the parts in the red circle they look more mechanical then humanoid...

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[Antequera]

Well 1st off you cant just talk about susano in general because clearly there are two diffrent forms in this point in time. Sasukes Susano is definately so far inferior to itachi's because he lacks the Totsuka sword & Yatas Mirror. Its hard to judge why at this time because Yatas mirror doesnt appear to be a physical iteam, therefore iAssume that your Susano has to evolve to certian point in order to obtain it. Secondly the Totsuka Sword IS in fact a physical iteam so Zetsu must have it. Itachi's Susano was near invincible the only flaw was his life force was depleting as he used it, but he could kill anyone within a matter of minutes with the technique. Sasuke on the other hand has many flaws in his desighn, in that he can still easily be harmed.

 

[John Constantine]

Mugiwara..E the Raikage didn't easily broke into Susano'o. He lost an arm doing it so,that's hardly a easy way..
Sasuke's Susano'o lacks the 2 holly items and was proved to be ineficient when Sasuke is low on chakra..
Rasenchuriken most definetly would not break it unless Sasuke was low on chakra (Kishimoto would not write for Naruto to break into his rival's biggest defense and technique so easily). Sasuke's Susano'o as incomplete as it is for now,it's still considered the ultimate defense.
Last,he does not possess the 2 holly items that Itachi's possessed making his Susano'o version less powerful. but since Madara Uchiha kept Itachi's bodie,does he kept the items too??​

 

[JohnnyGo]

Well, i gues the susanoo is like the curse mark level two form (in appearance), as each person has his or hers different form. Remember sasuke's "wings" when he was in curse mark level two form? The other curse mark users didn't have them, so we can assume that each person has their form depending on their bodies and capabilities. Then maybe susanoo is the same...

 

[Mugiwara]

Mugiwara..E the Raikage didn't easily broke into Susano'o. He lost an arm doing it so,that's hardly a easy way..
Sasuke's Susano'o lacks the 2 holly items and was proved to be ineficient when Sasuke is low on chakra..
Rasenchuriken most definetly would not break it unless Sasuke was low on chakra (Kishimoto would not write for Naruto to break into his rival's biggest defense and technique so easily). Sasuke's Susano'o as incomplete as it is for now,it's still considered the ultimate defense.
Last,he does not possess the 2 holly items that Itachi's possessed making his Susano'o version less powerful. but since Madara Uchiha kept Itachi's bodie,does he kept the items too??​

You're missing the whole point, Raikage broke a rib with his raiger bomb, and he easily broke into the susano'o, he didn't lose an arm because of susano'o, he lost it cause sasuke covered susano'o with amaterasu, but thats not what we are discussing.

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

You're missing the whole point, Raikage broke a rib with his raiger bomb, and he easily broke into the susano'o, he didn't lose an arm because of susano'o, he lost it cause sasuke covered susano'o with amaterasu, but thats not what we are discussing.

Though Raikage did break a rib of Susanoo... Wasn't Sasuke's Susanno, at the time, still incomplete? If so, then I believe that makes a difference.

 

[db3st]

Though Raikage did break a rib of Susanoo... Wasn't Sasuke's Susanno, at the time, still incomplete? If so, then I believe that makes a difference.

Yea actually thats a very good point. Becuz incomplete n complete can b on two whole differnt scales. Take rasengan as an example. Now only noobs think rasngan is a complete jutsu. Now look at rasenshuriken(complete) n if ur not a noob u will know the difference.