[VS] Underrated Akatsuki takes the Gauntlet!

[ChocolateVanilla]

I need proof of this,

It's not even debatable. One PS Slash would rape a GSB, because a shockwave is not made of chakra.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah I was....over 3-4 months ago. :| I haven't argued that ever since as its wrong.

-Madara doesn't come back till the end of the chapter despite the fact he was in a hurry to get the Kyuubi and the Hachibi. Despite the fact he left Obito alone against them and if he dies, the plan is ruined. The only reason he wouldn't come back is because he couldn't.

-Mokuton's grip loosens after he gets hit. Why would it do that if he wasn't hit?

It clearly pushed him backwards and once you get a Susano'o off its foundation and feet of course its easier to break through it theres no evidence that the damage from getting thrown back at such a force was the one to break the Susano. Even if the Susano'o didn't break again it still got thrown into the air..... Madara being in that Susano'o would also be moving around inside the Susano'o bouncing around in his own armor which in turn looses the mokuton.

Because he was holding back and because it had to go through GSB first. Not because its weak overall. It busted Madara's Susanoo, Iron Sand gets fodderized.

GSB Pre-Exploding was able to weaken it that much? Imagine if it exploded.... It would of dissipated it entirely, Just like Deidara's explosions would.

Wrong. Deidara on his C2 bird usually resides this high above the ground.

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5 meters is the majority of the distance. The turtle in base let Gai jump

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high, and he was only in Base. Distance will be much further when using them.

He wasn't in base? and again who said he had to be on his C2 dragon? He can spawn that exact dragon whenever he pleases

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Now it didn't blow up in the manga due to Sasuke hitting it with Raiton nullifying its explosiveness

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however its made out of the clay so its obvious it can explode on its own, it would be enough to nullify the hirudora, And he can be on his normal bird when making this.

Gai jumps at Deidara and fodderizes him with Asa Kujaku or Hirudora. Or Lee jumps instead and uses Asa Kujaku, which is a wide range, fast attack, so once Lee gets close, Deidara isn't avoiding it.

Wide range but doesn't go that far...Deidara avoids

The Asa Kujaku that Gai will be using will get past any bomb Deidara throws and hit him, taking him out of the air. Hirudora isn't dodged either, not when Gai gets close.

He won't be getting close

 

[KidGamer65]

It clearly pushed him backwards and once you get a Susano'o off its foundation and feet of course its easier to break through it theres no evidence that the damage from getting thrown back at such a force was the one to break the Susano. Even if the Susano'o didn't break again it still got thrown into the air..... Madara being in that Susano'o would also be moving around inside the Susano'o bouncing around in his own armor which in turn looses the mokuton.

1. Evidence for the bold.

2. Evidence for the underlined. No Susanoo user has ever been tossed around inside their own Susanoo. Not while jumping or moving. Why would Madara be any different? And why would moving around make him lose control of the Mokuton? Lol, that is some hardcore grasping at straws.

-Hirudora is used.

-Madara doesn't come back.

-Loses control of his Mokuton.

Susanoo was destroyed.

GSB Pre-Exploding was able to weaken it that much? Imagine if it exploded.... It would of dissipated it entirely, Just like Deidara's explosions would.

Lol. GSB barely weakened it, it pretty much plowed through it and exploded. The main thing is that Gai didn't want to kill him.

He wasn't in base? and again who said he had to be on his C2 dragon? He can spawn that exact dragon whenever he pleases

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Now it didn't blow up in the manga due to Sasuke hitting it with Raiton nullifying its explosiveness

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however its made out of the clay so its obvious it can explode on its own, it would be enough to nullify the hirudora, And he can be on his normal bird when making this.

Oh, he was in the 6th Gate. Irrelevant either way since the 7th Gate gives him even more speed and power and that height is sufficient anyway.

My original post referred to the C2 Dragon.

Lol. So Deidara is going to be on his C2 Dragon, then once Hirudora hits and it along with his bird explode, he'll be doing what? Dying. That's all he'll be doing. If he jumps on a normal bird before the blast and manages to get away, before he gets caught in the blast, Gai rinses and repeats.

Wide range but doesn't go that far...Deidara avoids

Doesn't need to when he gets close.

He won't be getting close

Deidara can't stop him.

 

[Zexion~]

1. Evidence for the bold.

2. Evidence for the underlined. No Susanoo user has ever been tossed around inside their own Susanoo. Not while jumping or moving. Why would Madara be any different? And why would moving around make him lose control of the Mokuton? Lol, that is some hardcore grasping at straws.

-Hirudora is used.

-Madara doesn't come back.

-Loses control of his Mokuton.

Susanoo was destroyed.





Lol. GSB barely weakened it, it pretty much plowed through it and exploded. The main thing is that Gai didn't want to kill him.





Oh, he was in the 6th Gate. Irrelevant either way since the 7th Gate gives him even more speed and power and that height is sufficient anyway.

My original post referred to the C2 Dragon.

Lol. So Deidara is going to be on his C2 Dragon, then once Hirudora hits and it along with his bird explode, he'll be doing what? Dying. That's all he'll be doing. If he jumps on a normal bird before the blast and manages to get away, before he gets caught in the blast, Gai rinses and repeats.





Doesn't need to when he gets close.




Deidara can't stop him.

Evidence for the bold is that along with the force from the Hirudora it will also have the force from the impact in the back of the Susano :| A double force both as strong as the amount in the Hirudora simultaneously... No wonder it broke U_U

Jumping? When was this? In a Susano'o the size of PS Being hit by an unexpected force.... What do you think happened? The user was obviously thrown backwards inside

Proof that he didn't want to kill Kisame? Pretty sure he was just supposed to retrieve the intel Kisame took, nothing was said about gathering intel from him until after

No Deidara would be on his Normal Evasive and Agile Explosive birds...Then throw the C2 dragon as a projectile explosive dissipating the blast

 

[KidGamer65]

Evidence for the bold is that along with the force from the Hirudora it will also have the force from the impact in the back of the Susano :| A double force both as strong as the amount in the Hirudora simultaneously... No wonder it broke U_U

How does that relate to it being thrown off its foundation? The force from impact with the ground is pretty much irrelevant, unless you think that being slammed into the ground by Hirudora is enough for a V3 Susanoo to be destroyed. In fact, what happened is. Hirudora grabbed Susanoo in its mouth, flew in a straight line and then exploded. No proof it even hit the ground before it exploded.

Jumping? When was this? In a Susano'o the size of PS Being hit by an unexpected force.... What do you think happened? The user was obviously thrown backwards inside

1. Sasuke's Susanoo was jumping around fighting Juubito. No signs of movement from him.

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Susanoo users don't move while they are inside Susanoo unless they want to move.

2. Its not the size of PS, nor was he thrown back inside. No reason to believe so. He wasn't thrown back when Gai hit him with Hirudora so I have no reason to believe he was when it exploded. I have no reason to believe that slamming against his Susanoo would cause him to lose control of the Mokuton anyway.

Proof that he didn't want to kill Kisame? Pretty sure he was just supposed to retrieve the intel Kisame took, nothing was said about gathering intel from him until after

Lol.

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He didn't kill them so they could get their own intel back, and get some intel on Akatsuki. If Gai wanted to kill him, why did he let him live after he defeated him with Hirudora?

No Deidara would be on his Normal Evasive and Agile Explosive birds...Then throw the C2 dragon as a projectile explosive dissipating the blast

Then Hirudora does what it did to Madara's Susanoo. Snatches it up in its mouth and flies right into Deidara's range, then both attacks blow him to shit.

 

[VongolaX]

seven actually but he didnt have samehada

Typo.....my bad

 

[Zexion~]

How does that relate to it being thrown off its foundation? The force from impact with the ground is pretty much irrelevant, unless you think that being slammed into the ground by Hirudora is enough for a V3 Susanoo to be destroyed. In fact, what happened is. Hirudora grabbed Susanoo in its mouth, flew in a straight line and then exploded. No proof it even hit the ground before it exploded.


1. Sasuke's Susanoo was jumping around fighting Juubito. No signs of movement from him.

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Susanoo users don't move while they are inside Susanoo unless they want to move.

2. Its not the size of PS, nor was he thrown back inside. No reason to believe so. He wasn't thrown back when Gai hit him with Hirudora so I have no reason to believe he was when it exploded. I have no reason to believe that slamming against his Susanoo would cause him to lose control of the Mokuton anyway.


Lol.

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He didn't kill them so they could get their own intel back, and get some intel on Akatsuki. If Gai wanted to kill him, why did he let him live after he defeated him with Hirudora?



Then Hirudora does what it did to Madara's Susanoo. Snatches it up in its mouth and flies right into Deidara's range, then both attacks blow him to shit.

Ughhhhh There's really not many evidence it did, fact is its basically inconclusive you the believe one way or the other,

It didn't break why would Kishi suddenly put the breaking off screen

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It would of Put Madara like this shit if it did >.>



Anyways No The C2 Dragon would explode before it reaches back to Deidara fool :|


Also Gai slammed Kisame again with a punch :| Gai doesn't have that many fatal attacks

 

[KidGamer65]

Ughhhhh There's really not many evidence it did, fact is its basically inconclusive you the believe one way or the other,

-Lost control over Mokuton.

Why would he lose control of it if he wasn't hit by the attack? There is no other explanation.

-Didn't come back nor was he seen till the end of the chapter.

Why would he exit the battle of his own volition when he was in a hurry to get the Kyuubi and the Hachibi? Why would he leave Obito alone with all 4 of them when Obito's death means plan is failed?

The evidence that it was destroyed>>Evidence that it wasn't.

It didn't break why would Kishi suddenly put the breaking off screen

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It would of Put Madara like this shit if it did >.>

It being off screen doesn't mean it didn't happen, and Edo Zombies regenerate and have unlimited stamina, so no, he wouldn't be knocked out. Lol

Anyways No The C2 Dragon would explode before it reaches back to Deidara fool :|

Why? There is nothing causing it to explode as Hirudora won't explode until Gai wants it to explode.

Also Gai slammed Kisame again with a punch :| Gai doesn't have that many fatal attacks

He was about to do something so Gai hit him to stop him. If Gai wanted him dead, he would have killed him right there.

Asa Kujaku killed the Kisame clone. Hirudora is stronger. So no, he has fatal attacks, he just didn't want to kill Kisame.

 

[Haizaki]

Ughhhhh There's really not many evidence it did, fact is its basically inconclusive you the believe one way or the other,

It didn't break why would Kishi suddenly put the breaking off screen

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It would of Put Madara like this shit if it did >.>

Kishi isn't a fool Lol

Madara before hiruodora

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and here

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but ends up looking like this

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.

 

[Zexion~]

-Lost control over Mokuton.

Why would he lose control of it if he wasn't hit by the attack? There is no other explanation.

-Didn't come back nor was he seen till the end of the chapter.

Why would he exit the battle of his own volition when he was in a hurry to get the Kyuubi and the Hachibi? Why would he leave Obito alone with all 4 of them when Obito's death means plan is failed?

The evidence that it was destroyed>>Evidence that it wasn't.



It being off screen doesn't mean it didn't happen, and Edo Zombies regenerate and have unlimited stamina, so no, he wouldn't be knocked out. Lol



Why? There is nothing causing it to explode as Hirudora won't explode until Gai wants it to explode.



He was about to do something so Gai hit him to stop him. If Gai wanted him dead, he would have killed him right there.

Asa Kujaku killed the Kisame clone. Hirudora is stronger. So no, he has fatal attacks, he just didn't want to kill Kisame.

Bro Deidara can explode his explosions at will?

Second Proof the his Mokutan lost control?

He was sent flying back its going to take him a while to get back :| Besides He seemed like it didn't even affect him if i recall

 

[Zexion~]

WAIT A ****ING MINUTE HIS MOKUTON LOST CONTROL BECAUSE HE WAS SENT FLYING? He can't control it from like 100 meters away?

Common freaking logic?

 

[KidGamer65]

Bro Deidara can explode his explosions at will?

Oh yeah, I forgot.

Second Proof the his Mokutan lost control?

It was binding B, then B was able to break it after saying it loosened

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Don't know why you are now asking for proof.

He was sent flying back its going to take him a while to get back :| Besides He seemed like it didn't even affect him if i recall

Not an excuse.

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He got from where he was sent to by Hirudora, to where the Juubi was, which is further than where Obito was fighting, in a matter of seconds. Now you're nitpicking.

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His Susanoo was broken. That's why he failed to return. That's why Mokuton's grip loosened.

WAIT A ****ING MINUTE HIS MOKUTON LOST CONTROL BECAUSE HE WAS SENT FLYING? He can't control it from like 100 meters away?

Common freaking logic?

Based on what? "Common freaking logic" isn't an argument.

 

[Zexion~]

Oh yeah, I forgot.



It was binding B, then B was able to break it after saying it loosened

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Don't know why you are now asking for proof.



Not an excuse.

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He got from where he was sent to by Hirudora, to where the Juubi was, which is further than where Obito was fighting, in a matter of seconds. Now you're nitpicking.

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His Susanoo was broken. That's why he failed to return. That's why Mokuton's grip loosened.



Based on what? "Common freaking logic" isn't an argument.

Based on the common freaking logic of chakra control

So then I don't see why the explosion wouldn't dissipate the force

 

[KidGamer65]

Based on the common freaking logic of chakra control

Nice argument.

Madara was far from Naruto's position where he was fighting with the Mokuryu.

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Killer B was even farther yet Madara was able to bind him with Mokuton.

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Now, like I asked, based on what evidence did you come to the conclusion that Madara can't control his Mokuton from 100m away? Gaara controls Sand from all over the battlefield. Don't know where this came from, but its false.