THEORY: Afternoon Tiger destroyed V3 susanoo

[KidGamer65]

Alright, you do have a point with the body change. Still doesn't change my point. Whether it increased or not. It's durability is still the same. It's just chakra being spread round. The only difference is the size. If chakra was added to it's previous state to increase its defense, this is what happens

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. In this case, chakra is just being spread round to further increase its size but when chakra is morphed it's different. The armor is still the same. Though the susanoo is bigger and can move freely. That susanoo is bigger than a full armored susanoo but durability wise, a full armored is still better.
The size of V2(skeletal) is about the same size as V3 but the durability difference is much

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No, its not. Like I've said. More chakra on the Susanoo means there is more defense to get past, meaning its a stronger defense. The Susanoo's armor itself may not increase in durability, but it doesn't change the fact that it'll be hard to get past if more is added on. Its harder to punch through 1 board than it is to punch through 10, even though they are all the same durability, that is because they've been added onto each other. Don't know why you keep posting the Susanoo scan of Itachi upping the level, when adding chakra to increase its defensive power doesn't necessarily have to push it to the next level, as I've already explained.

Do you think Sasuke's V3 with legs is greater than Itachi's Full armored in terms of durability?. the Madara's scans aren't irrelevant as the thread even refers to his susanoo. If anything, the Sasuke scans are irrelevant.

They are irrelevant because the debate at hand is comparing Sasuke's V3 Legged to his non legged in order to establish that size does make a difference when talking about its durability.

Don't know, but I don't see how the answer to this question will help you prove your point.

Ok but still doesn't change the durability. That was a senjutsu enhanced susanoo. Pretty sure this

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won't create a hole that big but still it destroyed susanoo with legs. The futon that opened it was all due to Baku's suction and Danzo noted Susanoo couldn't move in that. Without that suction, there wouldn't be a gap in susanoo

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. Skeletal tanked something stronger than that

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. Obviously that futon would be child's play without the suction since the suction was too strong.

Senjutsu isn't going to push a Susanoo durability so high that it'll go from being ripped open by an attack weaker than FRS, to protecting its user from an attack that is strong enough to create a crater so wide that the SA can fit inside along with PS Kurama and as deep as I showed. That's a stronger attack than Nagato's CST that destroyed Konoha.

The Kurama Avatar's main body took the same hit and was destroyed too, meaning Senjutsu V3=Kurama Avatar's main body when it comes to durability, not including the tails. Are you implying that if Danzo hit the Kurama Avatar's main body, it'd rip a whole in it? I hope not.

So? I've already taken the Fuuton being powered up into account, so mentioning it is pointless. It powered up the Fuuton and caused a hole to be opened in Susanoo's back.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Let this thread die. Any Susanoo at this

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tanks Hirudora. Also showing scans of standing Susanoo getting bigger is useless because Susanoo and almost every other thing in this manga had inconsistent size.

 

[KidGamer65]

Let this thread die. Any Susanoo at this

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tanks Hirudora. Also showing scans of standing Susanoo getting bigger is useless because Susanoo and almost every other thing in this manga had inconsistent size.

Its not that its inconsistent, is that the user can make it as big as they need to, with limits of course.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Its not that its inconsistent, is that the user can make it as big as they need to, with limits of course.

That's something to think about.

 

[Haizaki]

No, its not. Like I've said. More chakra on the Susanoo means there is more defense to get past, meaning its a stronger defense. The Susanoo's armor itself may not increase in durability, but it doesn't change the fact that it'll be hard to get past if more is added on. Its harder to punch through 1 board than it is to punch through 10, even though they are all the same durability, that is because they've been added onto each other. Don't know why you keep posting the Susanoo scan of Itachi upping the level, when adding chakra to increase its defensive power doesn't necessarily have to push it to the next level, as I've already explained.

You don't understand what I mean. V3 is still the same but its just increased round more areas. The armor is still the same. Just because it's bigger doesn't change the fact that its defense is stronger when it's still the same armor. When the armor increases the defense becomes stronger. It's still the same armor but its just bigger in size. Hence to penetrate that same armor is the same just that it's spread round more areas. More chakra is used to conjure those parts but not to increase its defensive capabilities.

Senjutsu isn't going to push a Susanoo durability so high that it'll go from being ripped open by an attack weaker than FRS, to protecting its user from an attack that is strong enough to create a crater so wide that the SA can fit inside along with PS Kurama and as deep as I showed. That's a stronger attack than Nagato's CST that destroyed Konoha.

Yes but it does increase its durability significantly.

The Kurama Avatar's main body took the same hit and was destroyed too, meaning Senjutsu V3=Kurama Avatar's main body when it comes to durability, not including the tails. Are you implying that if Danzo hit the Kurama Avatar's main body, it'd rip a whole in it? I hope not.

Lol Kurama taking the same hit and being destroyed doesn't mean it has the same durability. Did you consider the fact that Susanoo might be able to tank a weaker attack that Kurama can't or Kurama might be able to tank a weaker attack that Susano can't. That was an attack they both couldn't tank.
Senjutsu is still included here anyways.

 

[Haizaki]

Its not that its inconsistent, is that the user can make it as big as they need to, with limits of course.

It is kind of

 

[KidGamer65]

You don't understand what I mean. V3 is still the same but its just increased round more areas. The armor is still the same. Just because it's bigger doesn't change the fact that its defense is stronger when it's still the same armor. When the armor increases the defense becomes stronger. It's still the same armor but its just bigger in size. Hence to penetrate that same armor is the same just that it's spread round more areas. More chakra is used to conjure those parts but not to increase its defensive capabilities.

I'm pretty sure I understand what you mean, but you aren't completely correct. Like I said, 10 boards can be the same in every way shape or form, but it'll be harder to break through 10 at a time than it would be to break through only 1. The much larger Susanoo is 10 and the normal is 1.

More chakra isn't used to only conjure the added parts of the Susanoo, otherwise it wouldn't be that much larger. The whole Susanoo itself is larger with more chakra being used to form every single area.

In fact, Susanoo doesn't even begin to wear armor until it reaches the V4 stage. A Bigger Susanoo would mean a better defense. When Choji increases in size, his muscle mass, weight, and all that goes up too. He becomes stronger and more durable. No reason why it shouldn't be the same for Susanoo.


Sasuke's ribcage was getting smashed by Ay's hits.

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Madara's ribcage took the stronger Tsunade's hit, and only cracked.

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The only difference was size. Your armor argument doesn't work as they are the same exact level of Susanoo, and because Susanoo doesn't wear armor until its final stage.

Lol Kurama taking the same hit and being destroyed doesn't mean it has the same durability. Did you consider the fact that Susanoo might be able to tank a weaker attack that Kurama can't or Kurama might be able to tank a weaker attack that Susano can't. That was an attack they both couldn't tank.
Senjutsu is still included here anyways.

They took the same hit, and Naruto and Sasuke came out in the same condition, and they were both dealt the same amount of damage. So yes, they are equal in durability when referring to Kurama's Main body.

Doesn't matter.

Are you implying that if Danzo hit the Kurama Avatar's main body, it'd rip a whole in it? I hope not.

If two constructs with equal durability lose their Senjutsu boost, then they'll still be equal. So you are implying that Danzo's Fuuton can rip a hole in the Kurama Avatar's main body if it hit since that Susanoo without Senjutsu should be equal to BM Naruto's Avatar in defense.

 

[ARGUS]

I thought i made it clear that AT would affect the user if he uses the susanoo weaker then the one destroyed,, and its also clear that any stronger variant of susanoo would most likely tank the attack,
meaning that V4 susanoo or the large V3 legged susanoo would most likely tank it

 

[Haizaki]

Alright, I'll give it a second thought. Though I don't think the durability difference would be very huge.

 

[Bronze]

V3 with legs increases the durability twice greater. Ay's strength boosted with Onoki, put a hole in Susanoo: [

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]. Tsunade who possess greater physical strength, could not put a crack on legged Susanoo: [

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]. So yes, legged Susanoo would increase the durability, since it's Chakra being added to the entity. However, Gai did destroy V3 Susanoo lacking legs.​

 

[Haizaki]

V3 with legs increases the durability twice greater. Ay's strength boosted with Onoki, put a hole in Susanoo: [

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]. Tsunade who possess greater physical strength, could not put a crack on legged Susanoo: [

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]. So yes, legged Susanoo would increase the durability, since it's Chakra being added to the entity. However, Gai did destroy V3 Susanoo lacking legs.​

Does Tsunade possess more strength than Ay(with Ohnoki)? Last time I checked, her first punch only cracked a rib cage

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. Not sure but It's probably stronger. Kidgamer made some points that I'll take into consideration.

 

[Bronze]

Does Tsunade possess more strength than Ay(with Ohnoki)? Last time I checked, her first punch only cracked a rib cage

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. Not sure but It's probably stronger. Kidgamer made some points that I'll take into consideration.

Otherwise, Madara wouldn't have pointed out that her strength is greater than Ay's. And besides, Ay put a hole, not actually destroy the whole thing with one punch. Tsunade actually destroyed the thing.​

 

[Haizaki]

Otherwise, Madara wouldn't have pointed out that her strength is greater than Ay's. And besides, Ay put a hole, not actually destroy the whole thing with one punch. Tsunade actually destroyed the thing.​

Yeah it's greater than Ay. No doubt but I don't think he was referring to Ay(with Onoki). Remember Ay attacked Madara without Onoki here

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and he still attacked his ribcage here without Onoki

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Although it just caused a tiny crack as seen in the next scan there.

Tsunade destroyed it because it was already cracked and it was the same spot she cracked that she attacked

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even though Ay was there to also weaken it with a chop alongside Onoki.

 

[~Sky~]

Madara sat out the rest of the battle after he took that hit. Pretty self-explanatory as to why.

 

[Bronze]

Yeah it's greater than Ay. No doubt but I don't think he was referring to Ay(with Onoki). Remember Ay attacked Madara without Onoki here

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and he still attacked his ribcage here without Onoki

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Although it just caused a tiny crack as seen in the next scan there.

Tsunade destroyed it because it was already cracked and it was the same spot she cracked that she attacked

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even though Ay was there to also weaken it with a chop alongside Onoki.

And in the next page, the area where Tsunade kicked the ribcage started to fall from its balance: [

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]. Madara was sent flying afterwards. She would not have needed Ay's and Onoki's combo to accomplish that. And I'm not seeing any cracks in the ribcage from Ay; he said he needed more speed to boost his raw power to pierce through the defense. Either way, if KidGamer65 convinced you, then there is no need to continue this discussion.​

 

[Unorthodox]

No. It's bigger. That's all.

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and here

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but ends looking like this

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no. why you even try if your argeeing with me. those scan proves nothing all the times we've seen edo's fight they never shown any sigh of scuff marks.

Alright, I'll give it a second thought. Though I don't think the durability difference would be very huge.

been telling you you were wrong

 

[Haizaki]

And in the next page, the area where Tsunade kicked the ribcage started to fall from its balance: [

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]. Madara was sent flying afterwards. She would not have needed Ay's and Onoki's combo to accomplish that. And I'm not seeing any cracks in the ribcage from Ay; he said he needed more speed to boost his raw power to pierce through the defense. Either way, if KidGamer65 convinced you, then there is no need to continue this discussion.​

Yeah no need to continue the discussion but I'll like to point out the scan where Ay caused a tiny crack.

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Also, Tsunade didn't need Ay and Onoki's combo. She would have destroyed it without them considering she still made a crack on it before. She didn't destroy it with her first attempt so it's only reasonable that the crack which she made before contributed to weakening it. Ay needed more power because his power wasn't good enough to crush it like he said

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considering it only made that tiny crack.

 

[Haizaki]

no. why you even try if your argeeing with me. those scan proves nothing all the times we've seen edo's fight they never shown any sigh of scuff marks.

Lol they prove nothing cuz you say so? Or Kishi is trying to show us that Hiruodara did do damage. Lool

been telling you you were wrong

Yeah V3 legged seems stronger

 

[Unorthodox]

Lol they prove nothing cuz you say so? Or Kishi is trying to show us that Hiruodara did do damage. Lool

no your not proving anything edo's dont have beat up marks they regenerate from every single blow even if its minor

Yeah V3 legged seems stronger

been telling you this i dont know why you even tryed me vs you is 3-0 im the 3 in case you dont know

 

[Bronze]

Yeah no need to continue the discussion but I'll like to point out the scan where Ay caused a tiny crack.

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Also, Tsunade didn't need Ay and Onoki's combo. She would have destroyed it without them considering she still made a crack on it before. She didn't destroy it with her first attempt so it's only reasonable that the crack which she made before contributed to weakening it. Ay needed more power because his power wasn't good enough to crush it like he said

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considering it only made that tiny crack.

How is that worthy or a legit crack? It's barely visible. If you want an actual crack, this is the one you're looking for:

Spoiler

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She accomplished that damage before Ay's and Onoki's combo. The front of Susanoo is shattering to pieces; and Madara would examine that her raw power is greater than Ay's.​