Obito is a misunderstood character in my opinion

[Raekwon26]

youre the one who didnt even read the op and just said he sucked until you were pushed...

No, I skimmed it and got his entire purpose.

If I didn't, how was I able to debate the main points the OP brought up.

@Klad, GTFOH.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Yes, he didn't go back to Konoha and stay with Kakashi and Minato because they let Rin die. Yes, that had nothing to do with changing the world, but was that all Obito was allowed to feel? Is he only allowed to feel like changing the world because of what he saw, or wanting to change the world because of a personal vendetta against it? Obito's resolve to change the world was caused by a personal vendetta, and his resolve was reinforced by what he witnessed as he traveled the world under his guise of Madara.

and despite everything he believed in and what he saw/heard before Rin's death wasn't compelling enough for him to take such a proactive approach. Before Rin was killed, he was clearly shown being a lot more concerned with impressing Rin than changing the world.

 

[synkross]

Obito is the best written character in this manga. Haters are just mad cuz Obito takes a dump on their fav.
There is a difference between reason and a trigger. Rin's death was the trigger to what Obito already had a vague idea of. cuz even before Rin's death Obito said that the whole ninja system is trash if they can't care about their comrades.

 

[Punk Hazard]

and despite everything he believed in and what he saw/heard before Rin's death wasn't compelling enough for him to take such a proactive approach. Before Rin was killed, he was clearly shown being a lot more concerned with impressing Rin than changing the world.

The hell does this have to do with his character after Rin's death?

Obito is the best written character in this manga. Haters are just mad cuz Obito takes a dump on their fav.

Eh, I think the way Kishi handled his transition knocked his character down a few notches.

 

[Gintõki1]

Obito isn't a great character for me.

 

[WalksInShadows]

The hell does this have to do with his character after Rin's death?

in your own words:

Obito's resolve to change the world was caused by a personal vendetta, and his resolve was reinforced by what he witnessed as he traveled the world under his guise of Madara.

what i said in my last post was a direct response to what you yourself stated as having happened after Rin's death. The point was that he wasn't half as interested in supposedly changing the world until after Rin died.

 

[Punk Hazard]

in your own words:
what i said in my last post was a direct response to what you yourself stated as having happened after Rin's death. The point was that he wasn't half as interested in supposedly changing the world until after Rin died.

Yes, I know that, because Rin's death was the catalyst that led to his viewpoint in the world changing, which is what led him to want to change it.

 

[kimb]

Didn't read. Obito is well understood, we just don't like it.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

"My left eye is hungry for battle" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

[WalksInShadows]

Yes, I know that, because Rin's death was the catalyst that led to his viewpoint in the world changing, which is what led him to want to change it.

that's false, because the first thing he thought about after seeing her dead was thinking about how he could be with Rin again

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The first words he ever uttered? Revolved around Rin:

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He even goes on to tell Madara it's why he returned

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Apparently, Kabuto knew or had some idea what is what about because he summed it up most ppl already knew:

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[Shis]

IMO Obito is the best main/recurring character in the manga. I don't understand the hate at all. By far the most fleshed-out and developed.

 

[Punk Hazard]

that's false, because the first thing he thought about after seeing her dead was thinking about how he could be with Rin again.

The first words he ever uttered? Revolved around Rin:

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He even goes on to tell Madara it's why he returned

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Apparently, Kabuto knew or had some idea what is what about because he summed it up most ppl already knew:

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You clearly still don't understand...

Obito felt like he was in Hell, like the world was horrible, because Rin died. He wanted to use IT to create a better world where Rin existed in. That's why he returned to Madara and that's why he agreed to his plan. Rin's death was a catalyst to Obito thinking the world was no longer worth it, that there needed to be a better one, it was the initial cause and reason.

Then, he started going around and witnessed the world, he saw things that reinforced his idea that the world wasn't worth it. He saw things other than Rin that made him want to change the world. Rin caused/started it, his experience in the word kept it strong, it added to it. That is not hard to understand.

 

[true enigma]

Press the "reply with quote" button XD

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[Naruto X Hunter]

that's false, because the first thing he thought about after seeing her dead was thinking about how he could be with Rin again

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The first words he ever uttered? Revolved around Rin:

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He even goes on to tell Madara it's why he returned

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Apparently, Kabuto knew or had some idea what is what about because he summed it up most ppl already knew:

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Obito thought about how he could bring peace to the world,how everyone could be happy,peace and Rin was his happiness. he believed that the Infinite Tsukuyomi would achieve everyones dreams.

 

[WalksInShadows]

You clearly still don't understand...

Obito felt like he was in Hell, like the world was horrible, because Rin died. He wanted to use IT to create a better world where Rin existed in. That's why he returned to Madara and that's why he agreed to his plan. Rin's death was a catalyst to Obito thinking the world was no longer worth it, that there needed to be a better one, it was the initial cause and reason.

Then, he started going around and witnessed the world, he saw things that reinforced his idea that the world wasn't worth it. He saw things other than Rin that made him want to change the world. Rin caused/started it, his experience in the word kept it strong, it added to it. That is not hard to understand.

no, you clearly don't want to accept anything even when Obito himself said on multiple occasions that it was about Rin.

Obito thought about how he could bring peace to the world,how everyone could be happy,peace and Rin was his happiness. he believed that the Infinite Tsukuyomi would achieve everyones dreams.

i can't accept this, because he goes on to assist Itachi in a massacre, murders an old woman, almost blows up a baby, and basically murders the kids mom. And for what?:

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An apex of his contradiction comes when he says he didn't care to kill Kakashi because him and Rin were going to be in the new world, but he is seen directing copious amounts of venom towards Kakashi, Minato, and the rank of Hokage that he clearly held on to for over almost 20 yrs. All of that had nothing to do with the world getting changed and more to do with a personal vendetta. Spin it however way you want, that's what it is.

 

[Punk Hazard]

no, you clearly don't want to accept anything even when Obito himself said on multiple occasions that it was about Rin.

Obito himself said that what he saw more things than just Rin that reinforced his beliefs.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Obito himself said that what he saw more things than just Rin that reinforced his beliefs.

it doesn't change the amount of truth to what i said, otherwise his flashbacks wouldn't primarily consist of his memories of Rin. I didn't say it was just about Rin, what i've been saying is that none of that was the reason why he went dark side. And it's true, otherwise his dialogue would've been a lot more about him genuinely believing why the world needed to be changed and not centered around Rin getting killed or getting worked up over Kakashi or Minato supposedly failed to do. A chief difference between him and Nagato was that while he wanted to change the world, he didn't act ot talk as if there was no personal vendetta behind it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

it doesn't change the amount of truth to what i said, otherwise his flashbacks wouldn't primarily consist of his memories of Rin. I didn't say it was just about Rin, what i've been saying is that none of that was the reason why he went dark side. And it's true, otherwise his dialogue would've been a lot more about him genuinely believing why the world needed to be changed and not centered around Rin getting killed or getting worked up over Kakashi or Minato supposedly failed to do. A chief difference between him and Nagato was that while he wanted to change the world, he didn't act ot talk as if there was no personal vendetta behind it.

Did I say there was no personal vendetta? No, in fact, I was the first person to use that term in this whole thread. I was never denying that Rin's death was the reason he went to the dark side, I said that, along with the fact that other things just reaffirmed his belief. Rin's death was his personal experience in what he believes is hell, so of course that's what his memories will be. You can list many grievances characters have gone through in the series that would tie in with Obito's beliefs, my point is, Rin started it, other events keep it going.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Did he just say look at kakashi yea look at him he was a jackazz who thought his dad was trash and if obiot did not use tnj kakashi be a terrible teacher and a god of jack azzes

 

[WalksInShadows]

Did I say there was no personal vendetta? No, in fact, I was the first person to use that term in this whole thread. I was never denying that Rin's death was the reason he went to the dark side, I said that, along with the fact that other things just reaffirmed his belief. Rin's death was his personal experience in what he believes is hell, so of course that's what his memories will be. You can list many grievances characters have gone through in the series that would tie in with Obito's beliefs, my point is, Rin started it, other events keep it going.

other stuff like what? Some of these other experiences are things he directly/indirectly had a hand in plotting to fuel his own agenda. The guy himself literally said he didn't care about the world anymore and there was whole chapter by the same name dedicated to showing just how little he cared. A lot of this stuff he's been seen saying he believed was stuff Madara spoon fed him and didn't change the wording or tone of any of it until after he got TnJ'd by Naruto. It wasn't until then that he sounded anything like the Obito that existed before Rin died, so clearly her death had more to do with it than anything else.