What is Itachi's Counter to Kamui?

[tanmoydas1992]

It never said Obito used Izanagi, Obito can warp whatever he's touching so he can Kamui the Amaterasu away as he did to the explosion Konan caused. I'll give you the C.T feat but that's no where near Kamui in terms of figuring it out since it has more than one description of weaknesses such as: can only be intangible for 5 minutes, need to be physical to attack, that he can warp someone by grabbing them, and you can hit him from the other side if you have someone who can attack him from the other dimension.

Izanami wouldn't work on Obito since unlike Kabuto, Obito wasn't defining himself by adding others to himself. He knows full well that he is Obito Uchiha and not Madara, he simply used Madara name to bring fear into people which Tsunade actually says when they found out the Mask man wasn't Madara when they found out Edo Madara was revived. Obito would say he's "no one" because they were asking him who he was when they found out he wasn't Madara and he didn't feel like saying who he was. Kabuto on the other hand tried defining himself by what he added to himself and this is why Itachi told Kabuto that it's ok if you want to mimic a person you admire but he isn't that person, he isn't Orochimaru. Obito never claimed to fully be Madara for the sake of wanting to be Madara, he simply used the name to get things done since the name already had fear to it

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. Also Itachi stated that it wasn't a jutsu that could be use in real combat (leave him open to fatal blows as shown with Edo Itachi)

To find out about Obito's Kamui, which Itachi doesn't even know Obito have or that Tobi is Obito and not Madara, he would have to first fight him by trying to hit him with attacks or getting in close with Taijutsu. Now lets look at Itachi's fighting style as he against Sasuke. Against Sasuke, Itachi was using genjutsu for the start of the fight then they started to fight with thrown weapons

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. Then they got in close where Sasuke and Itachi grabbed each other

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this is all Obito need to Warp Itachi mind you. Itachi made a Shadow clone which attacked Sasuke from behind Itachi (

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) but Obito showed that he can warp very fast as he shown to warp Sakura when Madara threw a blade at her.

In Itachi's other fights, he relied solely on Genjutsus at most but that wouldn't stop another Uchiha as shown with Sasuke. Itachi was already going blind so his vision would be as it was when he was fighting Sasuke

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(a little better than that since that's after using Tsukuyomi). He also have poor health and can't stay in a fight that long due to dying if he push his body too far, he died from the intense pain of Susanoo, not from any attack Sasuke hit him with. Susanoo aches every cell in Sasuke's body and he even wondered how bad Itachi must have felt

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. Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi also cause Itachi pain as well as costing him a lot of chakra per use and weakening his vision as well.

Obito knows about Itachi's illness and he's is the one who told Sasuke and us about Itachi being sick. Itachi felt his own death approaching

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. Itachi's body is really weak and he can't push himself too far without feeling the consequences which he did when he used 1 Tsukuyomi, 2 Amaterasu and then Susanoo after but Susanoo causes him the greatest pain, amount of chakra, and weaken his vision worst since it uses both eyes while the other two uses only one each

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. Obito knows all of this and is smart enough to push Itachi to the point of having him need Susanoo up which would be killing Itachi. He can use his fire jutsu which is much stronger and larger than anything Sasuke and Itachi ever shown and make Itachi use either Amaterasu or Susanoo to defend

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1.Amaterasu was burning his body I.e its attached to his body. He cant kamui amaterasu without sucking himshelf coz everything touches him goes with him.
He even cant slip through it coz fire is not a material u can touch. So even it was never mentioned I thought it was izanagi. if im wrong tell me.
2.Obito thought himshelf no one and wearing a mask for real coz naruto told him 2 manga back u dont have a mask anymore that proves he was trying to mask obito uchiha to become "no one".
3.Do you think what happened if obito seen rin die in kakasi's hand and wasn't influenced by madara . He should have come back to leaf and his comrades coz it was his home and still would faced the reality like kakasi did. Now madara influenced obito to take a shortcut to bring peace to his mind and to the world without accepting the very truth and to change the reality. What izanami meant for was those who used izanagi a shortcut to change reality they cant accept. Izanagi creates a path to alternet reality where the user cant take the true reality. Izanami force those user back to the original reality.
So my personal thought was izanami can be applied successfully on obito because he instead of accepting the true reality preferred the alternet one .
4.Itachi was ill for that he could lose. But amaterasu,tsukyomi fireball jutsu was meant for obito-itachi fight. Itachi never would have used susanoo bcoz sword will not able to seal obito neither obito throws anything worth difflecting. His style was to blind fold opponent by slipping through and catch them. To anticipate a timed small quick attacks are necessary. Like Minato defeated obito with single rasengan hit.
5.Itachi can burn the whole area before he died so I guess obito's big fireball will go in vein even before sick itachi.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Whether it was stationary or not is irrelevant. The Kamui was immediate.

if this is the best reply you got for actual proof that was given to you, then you must not have any.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Kamui requires the target to be stationary? Lel

Kakashi warped 2 full speed susano'o arrows without his MS even activated at first

 

[Demonic.]

Nope, Manga says the Sharingan can read and defeat Nin/Tai/Genjutsus as Sasuke said it himself

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. What did Sasuke say about fighting Lee? "Ninjutsu or taijutsu.... I'll reveal it...."

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Is that why Kakashi copied Zabuza's water clone jutsu and had his clone attack Zabuza's clone?

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. What did Lee say to Sasuke? "They say the Sharingan has the ability to reveal all types of Nin-Gen-Taijutsus..."

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. Shadow clone is a ninjutsu and is not a KKG so yes the Sharingan can see through it as manga facts says it can see thru ninjutsus.

Kakashi only knew it was a clone because of the Sharingan, Itachi praised Kakashi use of the Sharingan right before the attack and that's why Kakashi used a water clone

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. Kakashi used the Sharingan to know it was a clone by seeing it, he's not going to be using any "intelligence" to predict anything like that when he haven't seen Itachi in 6-7 years and Kakashi never shown this "intelligence" to predict Naruto use of clones when Naruto is the unpredictable ninja which Kakashi called him since part 1.

This is why Itachi goes on to say Kakashi is not a Uchiha by blood

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. In Shippuden, Kakashi had his clone attack from underground which didn't give Itachi enough time to see thru the ninjutsu before casting his genjutsu but he knew it was a clone after

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You give me someone else's interpretation of a page you can't give that just so happens to suit your argument and expect me to just say okay? No. I would like to see the page.
Sasuke's Mangekyō is not Obito's Mangekyō. Their eyes are not the same.


If you read the thread you'd know that Obito's eye in the hands of an inferior user already saw through Itachi's Explosive Clone in Part 1. But nice try.

Are you guys serious?

Zabuza - Kakashi was looking right at Zabuza do the hand signs for the water clone. The panel literally zoomed in on his hand signs with Kakashi looking right at him. That's how he copied the water clone. Irrelevant point. And don't try to debunk the argument saying Obito will see Itachi's hand signs. Sasuke and Kakashi already failed to notice Itachi even weave signs for a shadow clone before.

Sasuke saying the Sharingan can reveal Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu - Noones saying it can't. It just can't tell shadow clones apart from the original. The chakra is spread evenly among the clones as Neji commented in part 1.

Senju cells: so now having Senju DNA makes your Sharingan more keen eyed? Do you have proof? I just seem to remember Senju DNA letting Obito spam Kamui with no side effects.


Further Proof:
Kaguya has a Byakugan and a Sharingan, but she had no clue which Naruto was the original, did she? She was guessing. I'd love to see the BS you come up in response to this. The sad thing is I'm not even an Itachi fan. Stop denying facts.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Kamui requires the target to be stationary? Lel

Kakashi warped 2 full speed susano'o arrows without his MS even activated at first

And didn't kakashi kamui deidara's arms away even though deidara was moving ? Lol people will keep denying.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Kamui requires the target to be stationary? Lel

Kakashi warped 2 full speed susano'o arrows without his MS even activated at first

if you cared to read everything i posted, you would've noticed that i used terms like "relatively stationary" or said something along the lines of moving in a focusable moving pattern. So either you can't read, you can read right, or you're too lazy because you haven't said anything that goes against what i already stated that it takes for a Kamui snipe to happen.

Kakashi's MS was active when he sniped that bolt. The panel after Sasuke fired it indicated that he was turning the MS on while staying focused on the bolt. The Kamui snipe happened on the next page. You would've realized that if you weren't too dead set on being a troll.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

Are you guys serious?

Zabuza - Kakashi was looking right at Zabuza do the hand signs for the water clone. The panel literally zoomed in on his hand signs with Kakashi looking right at him. That's how he copied the water clone. Irrelevant point. And don't try to debunk the argument saying Obito will see Itachi's hand signs. Sasuke and Kakashi already failed to notice Itachi even weave signs for a shadow clone before.

Sasuke saying the Sharingan can reveal Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, and Genjutsu - Noones saying it can't. It just can't tell shadow clones apart from the original. The chakra is spread evenly among the clones as Neji commented in part 1.

Senju cells: so now having Senju DNA makes your Sharingan more keen eyed? Do you have proof? I just seem to remember Senju DNA letting Obito spam Kamui with no side effects.


Further Proof:
Kaguya has a Byakugan and a Sharingan, but she had no clue which Naruto was the original, did she? She was guessing. I'd love to see the BS you come up in response to this. The sad thing is I'm not even an Itachi fan. Stop denying facts.

Kaguya doesn't have a sharingan. Just a Rinnegan with sharingan powers.

Yes i know Hagoromo said she had the Sharingan's ability.
Sasuke said that infinite Tsukuyomi was a Rinnegan ability.

To add on, Sasuke's left eye is a Rinnegan but he can still use Amaterasu which is a MS ability.

So no, kaguya has a rinnegan and a byakugan.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

if you cared to read everything i posted, you would've noticed that i used terms like "relatively stationary" or said something along the lines of moving in a focusable moving pattern. So either you can't read, you can read right, or you're too lazy because you haven't said anything that goes against what i already stated that it takes for a Kamui snipe to happen.

Obito makes the victim stay still. Thats how he did fuu, torune, etc. Even Minato had to use FTG to escape.

 

[Demonic.]

Kaguya doesn't have a sharingan. Just a Rinnegan with sharingan powers.

Yes i know Hagoromo said she had the Sharingan's ability.
Sasuke said that infinite Tsukuyomi was a Rinnegan ability.

To add on, Sasuke's left eye is a Rinnegan but he can still use Amaterasu which is a MS ability.

So no, kaguya has a rinnegan and a byakugan.

You have got to be kidding me. Sasuke has a Sharinnegan. That's why Sasuke's Rinnegan has the tomoes on it. Kaguya has the same thing. Look at forehead. If you still deny it after this you need help.

 

[AlphaScythian]

doesnt DB out right states there is no counter to kamui?

 

[Demonic.]

doesnt DB out right states there is no counter to kamui?

Minato already countered it with FTG so no.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

You have got to be kidding me. Sasuke has a Sharinnegan. That's why Sasuke's Rinnegan has the tomoes on it. Kaguya has the same thing. Look at forehead. If you still deny it after this you need help.

Sharinnegan is some made up shiit by naruto fans wtf.

Its a Rinnegan with tomoe and sharingan abilities.

Hagoromo got the Rinnegan which is a lesser version of the Rinnegan with tomoe from his mom, Hamura got the byakugan from her.
Indra got the even lesser dojutsu which is the sharingan.

I'm not denying anything. Except the fact that kaguya has a Rinnegan with sharingan abilities. Does she not?

 

[narutokage99]

tsukiyomi? too late and no effect
amaterasu? too late and no effect
Tsotsuka? too late and no effect
yata mirror? too late and no effect

in other words :

kamui gg

 

[WalksInShadows]

Obito makes the victim stay still. Thats how he did fuu, torune, etc. Even Minato had to use FTG to escape.

that's not necessarily true, because he needed Yagura's coral atk to make Naruto stand still and even with chains couldn't get Minato. And making that happen is a tall order against opponents whose abilities are well beyond either Fu or Torune's. Those guys are basically fodder, so it's no surprise he managed to get those 2.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

that's not necessarily true, because he needed Yagura's coral atk to make Naruto stand still and chains to get Minato to stand still. And making that happen isn't a cakewalk against opponents whose abilities are well beyond either Fu or Torune's. Those guys are basically fodder.. so it's no surprise he managed to get those 2.

Fodder doesn't apply to the physical strength of obito. His same arm is made up of zetsus. Which was able to tank zabuza's sword laughably wait, wasn't that his normal arm? and smash through a giant boulder. I'm pretty sure obito can hold someone down. That's why he always says if he catches you its over.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Fodder doesn't apply to the physical strength of obito. His same arm is made up of zetsus. Which was able to tank zabuza's sword laughably and smash through a giant boulder. I'm pretty sure obito can hold someone down. That's why he always says if he catches you its over.

he still has to actually be able to catch the person first for any of that to matter.

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

he still has to actually be able to catch the person first for any of that to matter.

Not necessarily. He easily kamui'd karin without contact. But i get what you mean, no one's gonna sit there and get kamui'd.

 

[Demonic.]

kaguya has a Rinnegan with sharingan abilities. Does she not?

Agreed. Yet she can't distinguish between a shadow clone, and the real thing. This along with everything else proves Sharingan can't distinguish between shadow clones and the original user.

 

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[XY iNVeRSe]

Agreed. Yet she can't distinguish between a shadow clone, and the real thing. This along with everything else proves Sharingan can't distinguish between shadow clones and the original user.

Who needs to distinguish between clones when u can just kill them.