[Theory] The True power of the Uzumaki, the origin of Senju Hashirama

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I don't think this is true.
Even if uzumaki banned the usage of mokuton, those who were never a part of the village and were cut off from village, like nagato should be able to use mokuton and he would also not know about the fact that it is forbidden.
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I don't think nagato would give two shits about a jutsu being forbidden by a clan, when he have killed countless people using rinnegan and when he was the leader of a criminal organisation.

This theory is highly unlikely but i still like it , hence the rep ^-^
 
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This is very plausible indeed, although I doubt we'll get the specifics from Kishi anytime soon, considering Uzumaki physical traits seem to be recessive in the gene pool and we can confirm this by looking at Naruto seeing as he looks exactly like Minato.
My thoughts are that Hagoromo might be explaining it to Hashirama and the other hokage. So the only thing I can do now is wait and see. Thanks for reading though :)

I don't think this is true.
Even if uzumaki banned the usage of mokuton, those who were never a part of the village and were cut off from village, like nagato should be able to use mokuton and he would also not know about the fact that it is forbidden.
Moreover,
I don't think nagato would give two shits about a jutsu being forbidden by a clan, when he have killed countless people using rinnegan and when he was the leader of a criminal organisation.

This theory is highly unlikely but i still like it , hence the rep ^-^
Nagato maybe knew how to learn every element. But he was never trained in mokuton. He was only trained basic jutsu by jiraiya and jiraiya knew at that time that only hashirama had mokuton. so it would be pointless to teach it to someone who couldn't master it.
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The Uzumaki Village was establish about the same time as the Leaf Village and they became allied,The Leaf Senju/Uchiha and the Uzu by the Uzumaki they cemented an Alliance that lasted till The Uzumaki village was destroyed. Kishi will reveal that the Uzumaki and Hyuga are descendants of Hamura thus destroying the myth of the Senju giving birth to the Uzumaki. The SO6P Hagoromo will reveal this to the Edo Kages.
 

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I see I read about it. I think that the only reason the alliance between the Senju and Uzumaki was never created ever. They just were very close to one another but didn't in a way respect each others ways. I always see the Uzumaki as a peace loving clan and since they had no conflicts, they didn't want to start anyone. So they never came to an agreement. The marriage of Butsuma Senju with his wife might have been as well unofficial a Romeo and Juliet kind of love.
Yes, that was probably the case :)

The Strong life force of the Senju and Uzumaki if combined should give birth to someone with tremendous lifeenergy like Hashi, and if he happened to have the Affinity for water and earth release, it would make sense he would awaken mokuton.

He had brothers, none of them which awakened mokuton, thats either 1-because it was given to him, 2-his brothers had a different mother, 3-or the fact that he was the only one who could combine water and earth.
 

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Yes, that was probably the case :)

The Strong life force of the Senju and Uzumaki if combined should give birth to someone with tremendous lifeenergy like Hashi, and if he happened to have the Affinity for water and earth release, it would make sense he would awaken mokuton.

He had brothers, none of them which awakened mokuton, thats either 1-because it was given to him, 2-his brothers had a different mother, 3-or the fact that he was the only one who could combine water and earth.
Exactly!!! If you see closely, he is different from all the other brothers. And if you put him and Tobirama side by side you would never notice they are siblings. But this is the part I felt most uneasy with since I have 0 proof!!!!
 

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Exactly!!! If you see closely, he is different from all the other brothers. And if you put him and Tobirama side by side you would never notice they are siblings. But this is the part I felt most uneasy with since I have 0 proof!!!!
yeah, there has always been speculation about hashiramas true lineage, and for good reason, because he is different from everyone else.

let me put aside my sanity for a second and Lol and say that it would have been Interesting if Butsuma actually had 4 Wives. 1 From Each Great clan.

Tobirama = Red Eyes = Uchiha Mother Lol
Kawarama = Senju U_U
Itama = Hyuga
Hashirama = Uzumaki

lol that would have been cool wouldnt it :p

but On a serious note, im a little surprised none of them had even remotely red hair, i mean at least naruto had orange/blond hair, but I guess having a senju for a parent might have dominated in appearance :)
 

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yeah, there has always been speculation about hashiramas true lineage, and for good reason, because he is different from everyone else.

let me put aside my sanity for a second and Lol and say that it would have been Interesting if Butsuma actually had 4 Wives. 1 From Each Great clan.

Tobirama = Red Eyes = Uchiha Mother Lol
Kawarama = Senju U_U
Itama = Hyuga
Hashirama = Uzumaki

lol that would have been cool wouldnt it :p

but On a serious note, im a little surprised none of them had even remotely red hair, i mean at least naruto had orange/blond hair, but I guess having a senju for a parent might have dominated in appearance :)
Same with Naruto, even in Hashirama's case the appearance came from their father. Seems like that was the dominant gene. As for life force both Naruto and Hashirama inherited it from their mothers :)
 

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The Senju were generalist in Jutsu each member use different jutsu just look at the first and Second Hokage the only thing they had in common was large chakra reserves,The Uchiha,Hyuga and Uzumaki were specialist,Uchiha and Hyuga eye jutsu and Uzumaki special chakra.
 

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Well hello guys, it has been pretty long since last time...I guess it has, I have no ruler at home, it is against my religion.
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Ok, so I based this theory on 2 theories I heard one of them being pretty recent and by one of NB's greatest theoriest the one and only . The theory itself is called . I suggest you to read it though it is not essential to understanding the one I am making right now. And the other one I can't find it ( ._.). The theory was something about Uzumaki actually having the mokuton ect...So if by any chance the creator of that theory or someone who knows him comments in this I would gladly appreciate if you could link it. So without any further adieu here is the theory.


Well, welcome back on the theory side of NB. I read this, and though many inconsistencies that I will point out under subsequent section. As someone who like theories, I would like to note that the reason many people are coming with these kind of theories is that Kishi-same is boss. The fanboys thought Kishi was dumb, and pulling idea from the forums. Now, Kishi has revealed cards that mess up all their past perception of Naruto, and as results, everyone is trying to fit Hamura in the picture.





Ok, so lets begin. We all by this time have learned the true origin of Mokuton. (1)If firstly was known as the Kekkei Genkai which was only usable by Hashirama. It was the perfect link between Earth and Water and every single other person in the series who used mokuton had either his DNA, or his face in his chest *looks at Madara*. Despite what you have you needed his DNA. And other then Mokuton Hashirama's DNA gave you ridiculous regenerative abilities, and very high chakra pools.

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(2) We can say that was a part of Ashura's ability but I doubt that. Hashirama was never aware he was Ashura's reincarnate. We can see he had no idea of his pressence and the chakra signature of Ashura and his reincarnates are different this was proved when Hagoromo said that he is seeing Ashura's chakra clinging tightly to Naruto's.

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With my deepest respect, I disagree with this section for two reasons: (a) two many speculations to refute manga facts, and (b) you state your own believe as facts. I have marked the most important point with numbers 1-3.

(1) To repeat a n-th time, Hashirama's power, the Mokuton has never been said directly to be a KKG. Rather, due to the complexity of mixing perfectly two elements, Hashirama's Mokuton, just like all similar Jutsus have been considered as KKG. See, this has been said in a Naruto explanation chapter written by Kishi himself, but many people ignore it. The fact that Hashirama's power is not a KKG has been proven by the non-existence of a second person in Hashirama's bloodline who inherited it. Basically, apart from Hashirama, there are zero people who were born with Mokuton. Thus, it is not a bloodline ability aka KKG.

(2) This is the worst of all your argument. Basically, you are saying that Hashirama not being aware that he was Ashura's reincarnation is the evidence that his power wasn't Ashura's. This is not even a logic that need to be discussed since Madara did not even know he was Indra's reincarnate, otherwise, he would have spotted it on Sasuke. Next, as I said in (1), the key to Mokuton is the life force that come with Ashura's reincarnation. It is that extremely large life force that is even greater than Uzumaki's that allowed one to perform living Mokuton, living wood dragon, etc. Since hashirama was the only reincarnation of Ashura, so he was the only one who could perform Mokuton naturally. If you were logical, you would have noticed that trying to make it Uzumaki was plain wrong since no Uzumaki has shown Mok

And to explain it even better I will go really back into the theory to the sons of Kaguya. Hagoromo and Hamura. We can clearly understand from what we have leaned lately. Hagoromo's sons are the ancestors of Senju and Uchiha. (3)And Hamuras sons are the ancestors of Uzumaki and Hyuga. I feel like the link between Uzumaki and Hyuga has been gradually forgotten. Maybe they were at war, maybe they moved to different places and forgot about one another. Just like the Uchiha didn't know they weer related to the senju way back. Another fact that leaves me to believe that the Uzumaki and Hyuga are part of Kaguya's family and ultimately the Juubi are that Kaguya had Byakugan herself and Red hair. Which was a trait for all Uzumaki clan members.

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With my deepest respect, I disagree with this section for two reasons: (a) two many speculations to refute manga facts, and (b) you state your own believe as facts. I have marked the most important point with numbers 1-3.

(1) To repeat a n-th time, Hashirama's power, the Mokuton has never been said directly to be a KKG. Rather, due to the complexity of mixing perfectly two elements, Hashirama's Mokuton, just like all similar Jutsus have been considered as KKG. See, this has been said in a Naruto explanation chapter written by Kishi himself, but many people ignore it. The fact that Hashirama's power is not a KKG has been proven by the non-existence of a second person in Hashirama's bloodline who inherited it. Basically, apart from Hashirama, there are zero people who were born with Mokuton. Thus, it is not a bloodline ability aka KKG.

(2) This is the worst of all your argument. Basically, you are saying that Hashirama not being aware that he was Ashura's reincarnation is the evidence that his power wasn't Ashura's. This is not even a logic that need to be discussed since Madara did not even know he was Indra's reincarnate, otherwise, he would have spotted it on Sasuke. Next, as I said in (1), the key to Mokuton is the life force that come with Ashura's reincarnation. It is that extremely large life force that is even greater than Uzumaki's that allowed one to perform living Mokuton, living wood dragon, etc. Since hashirama was the only reincarnation of Ashura, so he was the only one who could perform Mokuton naturally. If you were logical, you would have noticed that trying to make it Uzumaki was plain wrong since no Uzumaki has shown Mokuton so far.

(3) This is not even to be discuss, but some fanfictions of some fanboys. I am not saying that Uzumakis are not Hamura's children, but when I looked at Hamura, he was only characterized by his byakugan, and I have problem with everyone who start to think that Hamura is the father of the Uzumaki ancestor. The logic is so broken that rather than being called distant blood relative of the Huyagas, the Uzumaki were associated with the Senjus. Again, you trying hard to established non-existent links with a lot of maybe!



Now onto my theory and this collides with Verita's theory. He in a way explained that mixing the elements of Water and Earth wouldn't be enough for creating Mokuton. Because Mokuton had something different from any other Kekkei Genkai, It was alive. Plans are living creatures and Mokuton was a power which created life from people who aren't alive at all. So Mokuton needs something essential as well, and that is the energy to create life from nothingness. You guessed it the power of Yang.

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Here, while you are saying the truth, you are wrong on the interpretation. So, let me enlight you. See, there are many variant of Mokuton, and it is because most fanboys don't care about the details that the manga sound bad sometimes on the base.

(a) Mokuton is a jutsu that create wood (Mokuton) by combining water and earth element. See, the result of Mokuton Jutsu is a dead wood without any leaves or life.

(b) Now, because hashirama is Ashura's reincarnation along with his own life force and imagination, he created many variants of the Jutsus. He can put life force in the wood (mokuton) and make it alive giving the dead wood some branches and leaves. This is exactly what happen when Naruto's life force was around Mokuton (wood). See, it is the life force that cause the Mokuton Jutsu to become alive. The life itself is not the cause of the Mokuton Jutsus. It is tricky, but thank God, we have Naruto's effects on Mokuton to make the difference.

So as you can see, Mokuton Jutsu is a jutsu like others whose result is dead wood created by advance nature manipulation of earth and water element. The trees, dragon, etc, are made using bas Mokuton and Ashura's life force. This is why Naruto's life force can also cause tree to grow, and lately can even prevent people from dying. It is all possible because of their own life force and Ashura's will.

Note: You seems to have forgotten that the Senju also have strong physical energy and life force. This is why we believe that they really are distant blood relative of the Uzumaki, and we know Madara also said the Uzumaki are of the Senju lineage aka distant blood realtives.



And the greatest Yang energy that was visible in the series was probably that of Hashirama and Naruto. So the basic point of my theory is that Hashirama's mother was an Uzumaki. The power of Yang he inherited from his mother and the visual appearance that he has earned from his father. Think about it we never got to see the mother of hashirama and that explains as well the reason why Hashiramas regenerative abilities are as good as an Uzumaki. Earning the powerful life force of a Senju and an Uzumaki Hashirama's yang chakra became large enough to create life from nothing. So he combined the 2 elements and created a new one which was full of life which could have the special effect of the Shinju itself.
The bolded and underlined part is the evidence that you are trying to erase manga facts with your fanfiction. The greatest yang in the series is from Hashirama and Naruto. The two of them are said to share Ashura's power, and this is fact. Why on earth do you want to erarse this fact with speculative theories, especially knowing that we had full-blooded uzumaki who never showed life force manipulation on the level of hashirama and Naruto.






My actual thought now differentiate, and I might sound like I am disapproving myself here. But I think that the perfect power of the Mokuton was to begin with only for the Uzumaki. The Uzumaki have the strongest life force of nearly all the people being able to even survive a Bijuu extraction and stay conscious even have a possibility to live. And this might be a good explanation why the Uzumaki were all annihilated. Not only the sealing jutsu but being able to wield the perfect mokuton and drain chakra with it would make the clan a threat for every war intention.

The question that might rise up is why Uzumaki never used mokuton and this is only a personal thought. The Uzumaki banned the usage of Mokuton in any way. Hamura might have been smarter then Hagormo It tells me that he knew about his mother and the juubi and he was cursed to bear the power of the shinju itself the Mokuton. But he thought of that power as cursed so he banned by law the usage of it. He only sticked to the belief of his own ninshu. Abilties that didn't kill the evil but sealed it forever away so Fuuin was born.

Thanks for reading guys :)
Thanks for realizing that you are contradicting yourself. Unfortunately, there is a disease that can easily affect great theorist on the base. I name that disease Denial-lys, and it causes them to continue even when they can see the flaws in their own argument. For your interest, there are fact in the manga:

(A) Senju are descendant of Ashura, and Uchiha are descendants of Indra
(B) Both Indra and Ashura were children of Hagoromo (facts by Tobi and Hagoromo).
(C) We know that Hamura had Byakugan, but nothing more apart from being Hagoromo's brother
(D) We know that it is said that the origin of the Uchiha lies within the Huyaga clan, and that Sharingan is one of the advanced bloodline abilities that exist in the Huyaga clan
(E) We know that the Uzumaki are distant blood relative of the Senju, and are of the Senju lineage.

By reading A-E, I feel like there is no way that the Uzumaki are going to be Hamura's children. On the other hand, I feel like the Uchiha may actually be connected to Hamura, which may rise an obvious question: Why did Hagoromo said Indra was his child? My dumbest answer would be that Indra was hamura's child who Hagoromo raised (adopted), and such adoptive child can be called also one's own child in ancient civilization. Even so, this dumb answer make more sense to me than any theory that tries to connect Uzumaki to Hamura.
 
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Well, welcome back on the theory side of NB. I read this, and though many inconsistencies that I will point out under subsequent section. As someone who like theories, I would like to note that the reason many people are coming with these kind of theories is that Kishi-same is boss. The fanboys thought Kishi was dumb, and pulling idea from the forums. Now, Kishi has revealed cards that mess up all their past perception of Naruto, and as results, everyone is trying to fit Hamura in the picture.



With my deepest respect, I disagree with this section for two reasons: (a) two many speculations to refute manga facts, and (b) you state your own believe as facts. I have marked the most important point with numbers 1-3.

(1) To repeat a n-th time, Hashirama's power, the Mokuton has never been said directly to be a KKG. Rather, due to the complexity of mixing perfectly two elements, Hashirama's Mokuton, just like all similar Jutsus have been considered as KKG. See, this has been said in a Naruto explanation chapter written by Kishi himself, but many people ignore it. The fact that Hashirama's power is not a KKG has been proven by the non-existence of a second person in Hashirama's bloodline who inherited it. Basically, apart from Hashirama, there are zero people who were born with Mokuton. Thus, it is not a bloodline ability aka KKG.

(2) This is the worst of all your argument. Basically, you are saying that Hashirama not being aware that he was Ashura's reincarnation is the evidence that his power wasn't Ashura's. This is not even a logic that need to be discussed since Madara did not even know he was Indra's reincarnate, otherwise, he would have spotted it on Sasuke. Next, as I said in (1), the key to Mokuton is the life force that come with Ashura's reincarnation. It is that extremely large life force that is even greater than Uzumaki's that allowed one to perform living Mokuton, living wood dragon, etc. Since hashirama was the only reincarnation of Ashura, so he was the only one who could perform Mokuton naturally. If you were logical, you would have noticed that trying to make it Uzumaki was plain wrong since no Uzumaki has shown Mok

And to explain it even better I will go really back into the theory to the sons of Kaguya. Hagoromo and Hamura. We can clearly understand from what we have leaned lately. Hagoromo's sons are the ancestors of Senju and Uchiha. (3)And Hamuras sons are the ancestors of Uzumaki and Hyuga. I feel like the link between Uzumaki and Hyuga has been gradually forgotten. Maybe they were at war, maybe they moved to different places and forgot about one another. Just like the Uchiha didn't know they weer related to the senju way back. Another fact that leaves me to believe that the Uzumaki and Hyuga are part of Kaguya's family and ultimately the Juubi are that Kaguya had Byakugan herself and Red hair. Which was a trait for all Uzumaki clan members.

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With my deepest respect, I disagree with this section for two reasons: (a) two many speculations to refute manga facts, and (b) you state your own believe as facts. I have marked the most important point with numbers 1-3.

(1) To repeat a n-th time, Hashirama's power, the Mokuton has never been said directly to be a KKG. Rather, due to the complexity of mixing perfectly two elements, Hashirama's Mokuton, just like all similar Jutsus have been considered as KKG. See, this has been said in a Naruto explanation chapter written by Kishi himself, but many people ignore it. The fact that Hashirama's power is not a KKG has been proven by the non-existence of a second person in Hashirama's bloodline who inherited it. Basically, apart from Hashirama, there are zero people who were born with Mokuton. Thus, it is not a bloodline ability aka KKG.

(2) This is the worst of all your argument. Basically, you are saying that Hashirama not being aware that he was Ashura's reincarnation is the evidence that his power wasn't Ashura's. This is not even a logic that need to be discussed since Madara did not even know he was Indra's reincarnate, otherwise, he would have spotted it on Sasuke. Next, as I said in (1), the key to Mokuton is the life force that come with Ashura's reincarnation. It is that extremely large life force that is even greater than Uzumaki's that allowed one to perform living Mokuton, living wood dragon, etc. Since hashirama was the only reincarnation of Ashura, so he was the only one who could perform Mokuton naturally. If you were logical, you would have noticed that trying to make it Uzumaki was plain wrong since no Uzumaki has shown Mokuton so far.

(3) This is not even to be discuss, but some fanfictions of some fanboys. I am not saying that Uzumakis are not Hamura's children, but when I looked at Hamura, he was only characterized by his byakugan, and I have problem with everyone who start to think that Hamura is the father of the Uzumaki ancestor. The logic is so broken that rather than being called distant blood relative of the Huyagas, the Uzumaki were associated with the Senjus. Again, you trying hard to established non-existent links with a lot of maybe!




Here, while you are saying the truth, you are wrong on the interpretation. So, let me enlight you. See, there are many variant of Mokuton, and it is because most fanboys don't care about the details that the manga sound bad sometimes on the base.

(a) Mokuton is a jutsu that create wood (Mokuton) by combining water and earth element. See, the result of Mokuton Jutsu is a dead wood without any leaves or life.

(b) Now, because hashirama is Ashura's reincarnation along with his own life force and imagination, he created many variants of the Jutsus. He can put life force in the wood (mokuton) and make it alive giving the dead wood some branches and leaves. This is exactly what happen when Naruto's life force was around Mokuton (wood). See, it is the life force that cause the Mokuton Jutsu to become alive. The life itself is not the cause of the Mokuton Jutsus. It is tricky, but thank God, we have Naruto's effects on Mokuton to make the difference.

So as you can see, Mokuton Jutsu is a jutsu like others whose result is dead wood created by advance nature manipulation of earth and water element. The trees, dragon, etc, are made using bas Mokuton and Ashura's life force. This is why Naruto's life force can also cause tree to grow, and lately can even prevent people from dying. It is all possible because of their own life force and Ashura's will.

Note: You seems to have forgotten that the Senju also have strong physical energy and life force. This is why we believe that they really are distant blood relative of the Uzumaki, and we know Madara also said the Uzumaki are of the Senju lineage aka distant blood realtives.




The bolded and underlined part is the evidence that you are trying to erase manga facts with your fanfiction. The greatest yang in the series is from Hashirama and Naruto. The two of them are said to share Ashura's power, and this is fact. Why on earth do you want to erarse this fact with speculative theories, especially knowing that we had full-blooded uzumaki who never showed life force manipulation on the level of hashirama and Naruto.




Thanks for realizing that you are contradicting yourself. Unfortunately, there is a disease that can easily affect great theorist on the base. I name that disease Denial-lys, and it causes them to continue even when they can see the flaws in their own argument. For your interest, there are fact in the manga:

(A) Senju are descendant of Ashura, and Uchiha are descendants of Indra
(B) Both Indra and Ashura were children of Hagoromo (facts by Tobi and Hagoromo).
(C) We know that Hamura had Byakugan, but nothing more apart from being Hagoromo's brother
(D) We know that it is said that the origin of the Uchiha lies within the Huyaga clan, and that Sharingan is one of the advanced bloodline abilities that exist in the Huyaga clan
(E) We know that the Uzumaki are distant blood relative of the Senju, and are of the Senju lineage.

By reading A-E, I feel like there is no way that the Uzumaki are going to be Hamura's children. On the other hand, I feel like the Uchiha may actually be connected to Hamura, which may rise an obvious question: Why did Hagoromo said Indra was his child? My dumbest answer would be that Indra was hamura's child who Hagoromo raised (adopted), and such adoptive child can be called also one's own child in ancient civilization. Even so, this dumb answer make more sense to me than any theory that tries to connect Uzumaki to Hamura.

Ok, so I read the current reply you gave me and I have to say honestly it was the most detailed one I have received in a theory. And as I said before all the theories done, aren't always supported by facts. The theory exists as a truth you create by following the series and facts that kishimoto, or any other author gives you and by logically putting them together. Kishi stated that sharingan came from the byakugan, reason being that kaguya had the byakugan and her grandson indra awakened the sharingan. Hamura having the byakugan indicates that he was the one that started the hyuga branch and uzumaki one.

About hashirama and ashura now. Every jutsu that someone uses comes from his own power. And seeing that hashirama was never confused by his mokuton, or didn't feel any other presence helping his mokuton it is clearly sure ashura had no link to the mokuton of Naruto would be able to learn it as well. Mokuton is a KKG, since all the KKG are birth of 2 elements and Yamato himself stated that, but mokuton sure is different since it requires that Yang chakra. This I was sure of once I read Veritas theory.

And if you say I am not based by facts and other things this is my type of theories. I make huge assumptions based on what I have understood from the manga and saw by the other theories.
 

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Great theory my friend. However, I must say I don't believe the Uzumaki clan descends from Hamura, rather the Uzumaki descend from Ashura aswell. I believe the Uzumaki are just a variation of the Senju Clan, which makes them descend from Hagoromo, ultimately.

The existence of the Kaguya clan conflicts with your theory, because they are clearly related to Kaguya. Therefore, I belive that Hamura's descendants are, instead, the Kaguya and Hyuga clans, I'm quite positive that Hamura had white hair and the Byakugan.
 
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Great theory my friend. However, I must say I don't believe the Uzumaki clan descends from Hamura, rather the Uzumaki descend from Ashura aswell. I believe the Uzumaki are just a variation of the Senju Clan, which makes them descend from Hagoromo, ultimately.

The existence of the Kaguya clan conflicts with your theory, because they are clearly related to Kaguya. Therefore, I belive that Hamura's descendants are, instead, the Kaguya and Hyuga clans, I'm quite positive that Hamura had white hair and the Byakugan.
^My opinion as well. As much as I like theories, I don't see any bit of information that can even suggest that Hamura is the forefather of the Uzumaki. Besides, the biggest problem I have with all the people who are coining this relationship is that if Uzumaki are from hamura, why on earth are they not friend with the Huyga? Why on earth would they make their relationship with the Senju sound stronger than their relationship with the Huyga? I seriously don't see any logic here.

On the other hand, concerning the Uzumaki, I won't interpret their lineage connection with the Senju as their being offspring of the Senju. The reason is that there are two conflicting information in the manga: (1) Obito's introduction of the elder son, and (2) Rikudo's introduction of the elder son. In Obito's case, the Elder son has actually a dojutsus that is much closer to Rinnegan, though it is a spiral while Rikudo introduced the elder son as having Sharingan. Given all the possible evolution of Sharingan we have seen - they never became spiral, I think there is some mysteries about the spiral dojutsus. Why the spiral dojutsus from Tobi's tale? Why the Uzumaki symbol is a spiral?

I have no definite answer, but I am positive there is more to the Uzumaki and their actual connections to Senju and hagoromo. The choice of the main character from that clan is the evidence of this mystery because no matter how the fanboys wants to deny, the main character always possess the key to the major mystery of the story.
 

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I really doubt Hashirama is Uzumaki AND Senju.

If Mokuton's origin was anything other than just unique to Hashirama (due to Uzumaki lineage) that would've been important or notable enough for it to have become known by now, especially considering most of Hashirama and Madara's story has been divulged.

Hashirama has mokuton because Kishimoto needed such an important character to have such a unique ability.
If you need a reason for why it is so unique, explain it with him being Asura's incarnation.
 
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it says that hagoromo has pink hair. :O now I know that this can be edited and changed by anyone but it got me thinking...
What if we are completely wrong here...(or I might be completely wrong, but it's fun to suggest crazy theories)

What if hagoromo is the base of the senju and uzimaki clans.
And hamura is the base of uchiha and hyuga clans.
I have a feeling that hamura died in the sealing of kaguya.
I think Indra is not hagoromo's son at all but hamura's son, which hagoromo felt responsible for after his death.

If we look at the rinnegan, the only people who could use in was hagoromo(duh), nagato (uzimaki, so a decendant of hagoromo in my theory), Madara after gaining hashirama's cells(hashi a hagoromo descendant in my theory) obito(healed using hashi's cells, hashi being a decendant of hagoromo).
And the sharingan is supposedly descended from byakagan.

It all ties up nicely...

So in the end sasuke dies sealing kaguya. o_O

Edit. And to add to my old post, those with rinnegan could control life forces, much like hashi and also his brother the second hokage(don't forget the second revived the dead)
 
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