[Discussion] Creationism vs Evolution

[SolarSpider]

Narutobase.net is made up of many different cultures, ages, and personality types. This thread for for intellectual debate on the topic Creationism vs Evolution. I want to gauge the amount of people who believe if we have been created or evolved. Also, there is a third variable of people who don't know, and there will be a voting option for that. Posting "I don't care" is asinine considering you opened the thread when no one forced you to, when the title clearly dictates the purpose of this thread. Please keep it clean and have healthy conversations in an attempt to understand another's point of view.

I will start:

I stand on the "unknown" part of this debate, however I "believe" that we (the human race) came from evolution. If you go back to the start of time then you could say we "may" have been "created" but I will try and remain scientific due to the unknown origin of mass and matter. Because this debate mostly dictates modern religion vs modern science, I will fall under the scientific side of the topic.

Now that being said lets start my belief:

Most people view evolution like this-

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Many people in debates against Evolution say things like "we didn't come from monkeys" and well, the truth is we didn't. We come from monkeys like spiders come from scorpions, we simply didn't. What we did evolve from was a common ape ancestor.

[video=youtube;8TT3aRU-VnQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TT3aRU-VnQ[/video]

If the universe was created by a deity or not, what we do have proof of is that humans haven't always been here and there is plenty of evidence that evolution is the most likely cause of our current existence. I have not picked a side, you could call me agnostic on the topic but I believe a mixture of science and possible creationism. However, there is little to no proof following creationism of humans, so tell me your opinion below! ​

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[Zealotic]

I came here to tell you I dont care

 

[Uzumaki Menma]

Cool story bro. People will still not like you because their religion doesn't acccept Evolution.

But I agree.... wholeheartedly U_U

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

yup... the entire universse was made by chance... the abilty to think... heal... sleep... water cycle... birth process... yup

or we came from apes that are no where near related to us.... and have a completely different genetic and structural make up and science prove both wrong

so many questions

 

[Complex]

I believe in creation.
Everyone has different beliefs lel

 

[Eternal Gennin]

Why do you want to start a war?

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

I have seen most of that vid before... but Apes are no where near the same as man genetically... which is why we can't mate with them
but all other evolved species can mate

also our sexual system and genital structure is WAAAAAAAAY diffferent...


we have almost NOTHING in common realistically it is a poorly made theory

 

[FoolzBeWeary]

yup... the entire universse was made by chance... the abilty to think... heal... sleep... water cycle... birth process... yup

or we came from apes that are no where near related to us.... and have a completely different genetic and structural make up and science prove both wrong

so many questions

Bro the 2% different between our DNA and apes DNA. Which means somewhere down the line we shared a some point with them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

yup... the entire universse was made by chance... the abilty to think... heal... sleep... water cycle... birth process... yup

or we came from apes that are no where near related to us.... and have a completely different genetic and structural make up and science prove both wrong

so many questions

There is so much wrong with that statement.

1. We didn't come from apes, we share a common ancestor. Also, technically speaking, we are apes, i.e, we are primates.

2. We are over 90% related to chimpanzees.

Please educate yourself.

 

[Six Paths]

I think that if something can't be proven, it actually doesn't exist. Even though evolution doesn't have the greatest proof, it is in these cases the theory that makes most sense among all. So I believe more in evolution then creation. And if we will talk about the universe the discussion can go on forever.

Putting god here I think is the simplest answer. We put god in the place where human intelligence had no answer, but this doesn't mean humans may not find out later. So if God really exists we will find out one day, if he doesn't than science was right since the beggining.

This is the difference between religion and science. Religion doesn't care for science even if it is proven. But science will care about religion if the existence of god is proven.

 

[ObitoKarin]

Honestly, I'm agnostic about the idea. I guess the fact that I come from a christian family, but have taken science courses all my life somewhat counteract each other. But I think I lean more to evolution. I mean, based on evidence and such, there is more facts that prove we came from evolution (skeleton construction changes throughout the decades, human's being similar to primates, Darwinism, etc...) and the thing that seems to be all I hear when I state this is, "Just because you can't see God doesn't mean he isn't there. You can't see air, but you still believe it's there". It is a very true statement, but it is scientifically proven that air is there, and can even be proven many more times. But, I'm just going to remain agnostic. I'd just like to see what other people say and see if it can alter my idea.

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Spiders and Scorpions can't mate and they came from a common ancestor. :/

Huh? That's pretty interesting but don't species ALWAYS evolve for a reason? Usually environmental conditions. just wondering....

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

I believe in Intelligent Design. However, I wish not to partake in a discussion/debate. I've already done that plenty of times before and it's the same every time.

 

[RoguePatriot]

Evolution all the way.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Huh? That's pretty interesting but don't species ALWAYS evolve for a reason? Usually environmental conditions. just wondering....

Evolution happens because of a reason, yes. Evolution is essentially a species adapting in ways to better aid its survival.

 

[The Western Wheel]

look up the difference between a human and a chimp. Believe it's less than 1%. Us and neanderthals is a 0,004% diff... and there were more humanoids very similar.

The only thing which can support creationism is the missing link, yet, such a link would've evolved as well. As a matter of fact, we are evolving as we speak. Well, some at least, some are degenerates and will simply be extinct.

by the way. Neanderthals and homo sapien could not mate. Neither could we mate with the other humanoids that shared our existential span.

other than that: what you can't prove can exist very well, the matter at hand is the question whether or not it's real

I have seen most of that vid before... but Apes are no where near the same as man genetically... which is why we can't mate with them
but all other evolved species can mate

also our sexual system and genital structure is WAAAAAAAAY diffferent...




we have almost NOTHING in common realistically it is a poorly made theory

 

[ItachiDaSoloKing]

Spiders and Scorpions can't mate and they came from a common ancestor. :/

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I just was thinking

How is it that we evolved but are living with Apes around... if Apes evolved why are they still here? some decided NOT to evolve?

 

[Lightbringer]

I think that if something can't be proven, it actually doesn't exist. Even though evolution doesn't have the greatest proof, it is in these cases the theory that makes most sense among all. So I believe more in evolution then creation. And if we will talk about the universe the discussion can go on forever.

Putting god here I think is the simplest answer. We put god in the place where human intelligence had no answer, but this doesn't mean humans may not find out later. So if God really exists we will find out one day, if he doesn't than science was right since the beggining.

This is the difference between religion and science. Religion doesn't care for science even if it is proven. But science will care about religion if the existence of god is proven.

Well here's a hypothetical scenario. Say if God is omnipotent or at least sovereign of this existence, then he is the one that created the laws of science and only he transcends it.

So with that in mind, we can never really use those laws to prove God because God for all we know might want to keep himself hidden until the right time(i.e. end of the world)

So if he is beyond the laws of nature and wants to be hidden, then he wouldn't leave evidence.

It's not necessarily an excuse but merely a point of view. Trying to prove something that isn't meant to proved is a futile attempt. The whole point of religion is to take it on faith.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I just was thinking

How is it that we evolved but are living with Apes around... if Apes evolved why are they still here? some decided NOT to evolve?

That's not how evolution works. Apes didn't evolve into humans. There was a creature ages ago, a species. The species encountered new environments, and adapted in different ways. The different adaptations led to different changes that were passed along, those that didn't change died out, so the genetic make-up of the old species became lost, thus, the older species became extinct.

The changes resulted in new species, which resulted in new species, which eventually resulted with what we have today: Humans, gorillas, chimpanzees, orangutans, etc. This is why those species still exist, they were separate evolutions that humans are, but all originated with one, now-extinct species.

It's fully possible that one day, gorillas, humans and chimps will eventually evolve into something else, and our species will no longer exist.

 

[Bronze]

You can't find answers for like questions like this. You can make cases for both sides; in the end of the day, it's an opinion and not a fact.

While it's true that our DNA is 90% close to apes; however, there is no evidence of the fossil of of the ''common ancestor'', we humans and apes supposedly share. If you take a look at religion, it talks about a deity who created the universe. The universe's creation is unimaginably complex. The way time flows, living creatures function and constructed, the mysteries behind space, and so on makes believe there is indeed a designer behind all this. Do you expect to believe the universe just popped out nowhere by a chance? Hell no. Also, if you take look at some of the stuff in religion, and try to mix them with science, you will see that god does exist. For example:

The holy black stone that resides in Muslim country, is stated to be the stone that fell from heaven to the earth to Adam and Eve. According to scientists, the stone is actually small pieces of asteroid.

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So if you indeed mix religion evidences with scientific evidences, the chances of god existing is over 50%.​