doesn't matter, databook says he has access to all toads. In an interview kishi said those who summon Bunta can summon all toads. And toads can summon other toads, so it doesn't even have to be minato per say. Not to mention he can just go to mount myoboku if he needs them. And don't forget the next step of toad sage training is the amphibian technique.
It's no different to when you give Tobirama Edo fodder that he hasn't shown to use. But you know he can summon them, the same way I know minato can summon all toads. And you said restrict the toad contract completely, which means even Bunta, even though we know he can be summoned.
before i start the only restriction is a fanfic BSM mode okay lets begin
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Dealing With Minato's Flying Thunder God technique & Speed.
Nagato has not shown any good speed inpracticular but speed is not really needed when your going up against the rinnegan. Nagato would know of Minato's nickname and or reputation as he was Jiraiya's student and a bunch of random ninja also knew what minato was called
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with this being said nagato would know he's fast being always called the yellow flash and most opponent know they need to flee on sight he quickly whips on preta & asura. With the distance being 65 metors Minato blitzing him before he can use his paths would be nigh impossible with this combo on minato's ftg is compeletely countered. Minato scattering his kunai around will most likely be his first move due to him doing so
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I belive he would do this because in that scenario when he fought the fourth raikage teleporting himself home was not an option as they we're at war so this is why i belive his standard way of fighting is to spread his kunai around the area. Minato has shown he doest hold back in just uses
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witch gives him a base speed enhance with isnt much imo Nagato has already reacted to Amaterasu
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so reacting to minato kmc speed should not be a problem especially since he can just think of his path abilities in they happen
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i already explained with the distance in the knowledge he has on Minato why blitzing is not a problem here but ill go into further detail.
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For starters most of the people who are about to be blitzed are usually able to process a thought
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now replace he's fast with shira tensei and you'll see what im getting at and with nagato being a magnificent sensor shunshin and Flything thunder god technique are being sensed. Yes ftg can be sensed every jutsu can be Karin has displayed she can sense when
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and when your scared or on the move with just a little disturbance in your chakra. Even though she may be better than Nagato sensing wise he's also an uzumaki and was able to sense kabuto who was hidden behind a barrier
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also was compared to karin by kabuto as well. Once he forces minato to use his flying thunder god technique with shira tensei he will notice the change and his chakra or notice the amout of build up chakra used for ftg aswell. Minato has nothing to harm Nagato with preta path absorbs everything in his arsenal even ftg if Minato manages to tag Nagato witch will be impossible i'll explain later but if he does tag him Nagato can absorb the chakra connection from the seal making it null the reason why i say that is because minato has
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and since the seal isnt minato physically touching you it has to have a chakra connection to Minato so he can warp to and from it preta path absorbs the chakra out of the seal making it useless as i already said. The kunai to the neck is also useless as asura is compeletly made of metal would tank the kunai it would only sratch him and asura can be done all of the body
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The reason why i said Minato would never tag Nagato is because of Nagato's Shira tensei Destructive scale he has shown his casual Almight push is Forest ranged
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meaning a crator the size of a forest would seperate Nagato from Minato just image
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but the size of a forest everytime he uses shira tensei and minato isnt going to cover that distance on foot so he will be forced to throw a kunai alongside his bushin at Nagato in every direction witch is not a problem because Nagato can
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everywhere but above himself the incoming kunai are countered by missile & blast
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or dodges via flight
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basically Minato's Ftg is useless offensively.
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Dealing with Summonings & Kurama Avatar.
Nagato has the upper hand when it comes to summoning because his are more powerful and he has the numbers on his side however with Minato being in his Bijuu mode Avatar he can easily incenerate Nagato's summonings with Bijuu damas but Nagato will be taken on Minato while he's in Bijuu mode. Naruto has already stated that Nagato's Abilities are on Another Level
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logically meaning that his animals should be superior to the one's he used with the pain body. It took Gamabunta, Gamahiro,& Gamaken, combined efforts to take down Cerberus
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who was weakend because he wasit summoned by Nagato with Cerberus being stronger it will be a much harder task to do along side his fellow summonings who are all also stronger the 3 toads stands no chance at all and thats if Minato could summon all three he may have kurama at his back but Naruto has a larger chakra pool than minato naturally but i already explained why the summonings are a non factor regarless.
Countering Frog Song
This genjutsu is hyped beyond reason when it cant do anything with or to Nagato Sound genjutsu has shown to be visible on numerous occasions
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meaning its able to be seen in that scan i posted with Temari you can see how easily sound genjutsu can be deflected High pressure or High wind pressure a simply Shira tensei would be enough to blow the sound genjutsu away and no minato cannot force him into using it shira tensei because preta path absorbs everything in his arsenal but if he could nagato has his own varient of wind style to counter it.
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Sage enhance jutsu are no problem because Preta path can asborb His rasengans he would need to overload Nagato with senjutsu for him to turn into a stone or to make his preta path null and blitzing before he could use preta path argument should be thrown out the window it covers a 360
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furthermore a shira tensei would blow him back Minato who isnt half the sensor Nagato is could sense Naruto from miles away so he's aware of Minato at all times on the battlefeild.
Countering The Kurama Avatar
Bijuu mode Minato is not as tough as he may seem he actually just as Bijuu mode Naruto. First off Minato cannot touch him at all in this form because its entirely composed of chakra
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even trying to smack him with a tail or hand would be useless. Kmc Bushin would not be much of a factor for one we dont know how many bushin he can perform its only known thats its well over four the only thing they have that would be effective if they could use sage mode but Minato having being a weak sage mode user and havent used it in real combat enough. Viz Translation →
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Hashirama who was also an adequate Sage mode user could not use sage mode with his bushin so Minato definitely cannot use sage mode with bushin witch makes them ultimately useless because they lack anything to harm nagato.
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Minato's Bijuu damas are the only factor due to their shockwaves
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but these shockwaves are not noticable for killing or even hurting anyone furthermore Nagato can stay in the air
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where the shockwaves would have less of an effect on him and he can stay up with due to his asura path Chakra Propulsion Boots
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he can easily evade all of his attacks or repel them plus his Kurama roar is useless from the distance Nagato will be at aswell any projectiles. Minato Kurama Avatar wont last long as Naruto's doest the time limit is 8 minutes max once his kurama avatar drop he is insanely vulnerable to Nagato large scale attacks with Chibaku tensei being Nagato's most optimal attack for Minato since he's able to warp himself. Nagato Would end this with chibaku tensei and him being this high and Minato's Bijuu mode droped he has no way of destroying it or running from it because the size of its Aoe its Mountain ranged
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Much larger than the leaf itself furthermore Nagato is stronger than pain so it would be even bigger and Minato trying to warp it away would be impossible because he would have no reason to have any kunai outside the battlefeild Ending Minato.
--His kurama avatar durability ensures him to tank all of nagatos attacks, on top of the fact that he can form KB and he has the speed and FTG benefit to also evade most of nagatos attacks
--He can use his kurama roar to also effectively attack nagato, and counter his preta,
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meaning that its atleast equivalent if not then superior to a boss sized ST
--At CQC he has the benefit thanks chakra arms, and through his KB as well as the fact that his speed is vastly superior to Nagatos due to FTG,, means that he can mark Nagato and once that happens, he has multiple ways of attacking nagato
--Nagato making this a long range fight is also not suitable due to the fact that Minato would get the opportunity to fire off a barrage of TBBs which would overwhelm nagato completely as his preta wont suffice against many TBBs nor would his ST help him, seeing that Minato can tank his own TBBs and can simply fire off more TBBs during the interval to eliminate nagato
--Summonings of Nagato are literally non factor, they are not hurting minato at all, and are getting one-shotted by most of Minatos offense
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--CT is destroyed by TBB barrages or Super TBBs rather easily
--Shurado Missiles aren’t hurting minato as well, on top of the fact that minato can use the S/T barrier to redirect the missiles at a location right near Nagato
--Minato can also summon Ma&Pa and use jutsus such as Frog Call (which can momentarily immobilise nagato), and Frog Song to effectively kill Nagato off.
I dont see how speed is irrelevant whilst fighting Nagato, since minato would have the upper hand at CQC,, he would have the speed to land good blows on him, and would certainly have the speed and reflexes to react to Nagatos attacks.
Nagato would know of Minato's nickname and or reputation as he was Jiraiya's student and a bunch of random ninja also knew what minato was called
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with this being said nagato would know he's fast being always called the yellow flash and most opponent know they need to flee on sight he quickly whips on preta & asura. With the distance being 65 metors Minato blitzing him before he can use his paths would be nigh impossible with this combo on minato's ftg is compeletely countered. Minato scattering his kunai around will most likely be his first move due to him doing so
Minatos foot speed in BM level is almost close to FTG itself,
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Minatos foot speed is significantly higher than Narutos, (who gained substantial speed upon gaining BM, now add the same buffs to Minato and his speed is incredible in BM, and this is just his fooot speed,
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I belive he would do this because in that scenario when he fought the fourth raikage teleporting himself home was not an option as they we're at war so this is why i belive his standard way of fighting is to spread his kunai around the area. Minato has shown he doest hold back in just uses
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witch gives him a base speed enhance with isnt much imo Nagato has already reacted to Amaterasu
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so reacting to minato kmc speed should not be a problem especially since he can just think of his path abilities in they happen
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i already explained with the distance in the knowledge he has on Minato why blitzing is not a problem here but ill go into further detail.
Agreed with most of it, apart from the bold,,
you are implying the speed of amaterasu to be comparable to Minatos, when this is clearly not the case,,
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with ease, the same guy who is
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KCM Naruto is also faster than A, now add the Minatos speeed as well as FTG, and its no way near the same level as amaterasu,,
therefore Nagato isnt easily reacting to Minatos speed,
For starters most of the people who are about to be blitzed are usually able to process a thought
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now replace he's fast with shira tensei and you'll see what im getting at and with nagato being a magnificent sensor shunshin and Flything thunder god technique are being sensed. Yes ftg can be sensed every jutsu can be Karin has displayed she can sense when
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and when your scared or on the move with just a little disturbance in your chakra. Even though she may be better than Nagato sensing wise he's also an uzumaki and was able to sense kabuto who was hidden behind a barrier
--ST is tanked with ease by the kurama avatar, as nothing short of CST would even scratch minatos kurama avatar durability seeing how it tanked the juubi beam, something which is stronger than anything nagato could dish out,,
--being able to sense and being able to react are two different things, nagato may be able to sense Minato coming however he lacks the reflexes to react to something as fast as FTG,,
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the same guy who iis a S/T user himself,
--You alreaady claimed that karin is a better sensor then Nagato, furthermore being an uzumaki has got nothing to do with your sensing skills,
--Kabuto compared karin and nagato because both of them were members of the uzumaki clan, their abilities were never compared, at all,
Once he forces minato to use his flying thunder god technique with shira tensei he will notice the change and his chakra or notice the amout of build up chakra used for ftg aswell. Minato has nothing to harm Nagato with preta path absorbs everything in his arsenal even ftg if Minato manages to tag Nagato witch will be impossible i'll explain later but if he does tag him Nagato can absorb the chakra connection from the seal making it null the reason why i say that is because minato has
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and since the seal isnt minato physically touching you it has to have a chakra connection to Minato so he can warp to and from it preta path absorbs the chakra out of the seal making it useless as i already said. The kunai to the neck is also useless as asura is compeletly made of metal would tank the kunai it would only sratch him and asura can be done all of the body
There are alot of inconsistencies in this part of yourr post,,
--FTG has never really shown a built up in chakra, i dont see where you are getting that from its different from amaterasu and kamui, since the jutsu is instant,
--Minato has a LOT of jutsus to attack Nagato with, you claiming that preta can absorb barrages of mountain busting TBBs is pure stupidity and the ''no limits fallacy'', since not only would it take a long long time for preta to absorb the TBB, the time can also be used by Minato to send a KB out and attempt to mark nagato, or attack him effectively,
--FTG isnt ninjutsu like rasengan or FRS, its a S/T technique, on top of the fact that the markings are seals that have the users chakra connected to it, Preta path CANNOT absorb seals, similar to how it CANNOT absorb jutsus such as paper-tag bombs, preta absorbing chakra out of the FTG seals is pure fanfic
--Minato doesnt need to use his kunais to attack Nagato,, he has TBBs and kurama roars to attack nagato with as well
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The reason why i said Minato would never tag Nagato is because of Nagato's Shira tensei Destructive scale he has shown his casual Almight push is Forest ranged
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meaning a crator the size of a forest would seperate Nagato from Minato just image
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but the size of a forest everytime he uses shira tensei and minato isnt going to cover that distance on foot so he will be forced to throw a kunai alongside his bushin at Nagato in every direction witch is not a problem because Nagato can
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everywhere but above himself the incoming kunai are countered by missile & blast
Nagatos normal ST destructive capacity (DC) is no where near to the DC of an average TBB,
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this is on a higher level than anything nagato could diish out,,,
furthermore the fact that the
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means that an ordinary ST is not doing shit to Minato,
Minato doesnt need to worry about ST since he can tank it with ease, and get right back up, and even if nagato tries to increase the distance, then Minato can fire off Barrages of TBB which would nuke Nagato off the planet,,
the fact is that Minatos BM level durability and DC is far too high, for him to rely on FTG,
Dealing with Summonings & Kurama Avatar.
Nagato has the upper hand when it comes to summoning because his are more powerful and he has the numbers on his side however with Minato being in his Bijuu mode Avatar he can easily incenerate Nagato's summonings with Bijuu damas but Nagato will be taken on Minato while he's in Bijuu mode. Naruto has already stated that Nagato's Abilities are on Another Level
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logically meaning that his animals should be superior to the one's he used with the pain body. It took Gamabunta, Gamahiro,& Gamaken, combined efforts to take down Cerberus
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who was weakend because he wasit summoned by Nagato with Cerberus being stronger it will be a much harder task to do along side his fellow summonings who are all also stronger the 3 toads stands no chance at all and thats if Minato could summon all three he may have kurama at his back but Naruto has a larger chakra pool than minato naturally but i already explained why the summonings are a non factor regarless.
the summonings are not affected at all, since they are different entities to nagato and his paths, the summons power iis still the same as whhen they are summoned by Pein,
moreover @bold - you have already claimed that all the summonings would get incinerated by TBBs which further proves the fact they are not doing much Minato, especially since they all lack the firepower to hurt Minatos kurama avatar
Countering Frog Song
This genjutsu is hyped beyond reason when it cant do anything with or to Nagato Sound genjutsu has shown to be visible on numerous occasions
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meaning its able to be seen in that scan i posted with Temari you can see how easily sound genjutsu can be deflected High pressure or High wind pressure a simply Shira tensei would be enough to blow the sound genjutsu away and no minato cannot force him into using it shira tensei because preta path absorbs everything in his arsenal but if he could nagato has his own varient of wind style to counter it.
The scans that you have provided dont prove anything at all,
--the first scan about mugen onsa, involved MS users, on top of the fact that they werent able to detec the jutsu prior to the attack, and were shocked since both of them got affected by it,,
--the second scan is also not relevant since Temari is using fuuton ninjutsu not genjutsu,
--and the third scan where its frog song, had the peins struggling since their shared vision were disrupted due to the sound affecting them
--preta path is not not absorbing a sound genjutsu i dont know wherre you are getting this from,???
Countering The Kurama Avatar
Bijuu mode Minato is not as tough as he may seem he actually just as Bijuu mode Naruto. First off Minato cannot touch him at all in this form because its entirely composed of chakra
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even trying to smack him with a tail or hand would be useless. Kmc Bushin would not be much of a factor for one we dont know how many bushin he can perform its only known thats its well over four the only thing they have that would be effective if they could use sage mode but Minato having being a weak sage mode user and havent used it in real combat enough. Viz Translation →
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Hashirama who was also an adequate Sage mode user could not use sage mode with his bushin so Minato definitely cannot use sage mode with bushin witch makes them ultimately useless because they lack anything to harm nagato.
@Bold - how the hell is it useless, furthermore this scan is irrelevant since juubito doesnt use preta, he uses TSB as a defensive resort which is different from preta,, not only that but
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as evident from the scan,
and because of this minato would immediately know that his chakra is being taken away thereby he can use FTG to evade the onslaught easily,
not to mention that minatos kurama avatar is far too large, and the chakra absorption would take a long time for preta, and if minato has some KB around, then he can use them to attack nagato as well,
as for SM, its irrelevant, since its not IC for Minato to use it anyways, nor does he need it to beat nagato
Minato's Bijuu damas are the only factor due to their shockwaves
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but these shockwaves are not noticable for killing or even hurting anyone furthermore Nagato can stay in the air
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where the shockwaves would have less of an effect on him and he can stay up with due to his asura path Chakra Propulsion Boots
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he can easily evade all of his attacks or repel them plus his Kurama roar is useless from the distance Nagato will be at aswell any projectiles.
The moment nagato goes airborne he is losing this match,, he doesnt stand a chacne againt firepower of such magnitude,, and claiming that nagato can evade attacks of such AOE is ridiculous
his preta wont work against TBB barrages with each TBB being larger than the summon itself, and the time taken to absorb let alone one TBB is far too long, as Minato can fire off more TBB which would nuke nagato off the planet,
and his ST wont work either since Nagato would need a large enough ST to repel even one TBB, and afterwards Nagato is left vulnerable and Minato can fire off another TBB to finish him off
the fact that the kurama roar managed to knock back 5 bijuus makes it stronger than most of Nagatos ST,, you claiming that its useless is just funny, and Minato wont need to use the kurama roar either since he can simply fire off TBB which have more than enough DC to kill Nagato
Minato Kurama Avatar wont last long as Naruto's doest the time limit is 8 minutes max once his kurama avatar drop he is insanely vulnerable to Nagato large scale attacks with Chibaku tensei being Nagato's most optimal attack for Minato since he's able to warp himself. Nagato Would end this with chibaku tensei and him being this high and Minato's Bijuu mode droped he has no way of destroying it or running from it because the size of its Aoe its Mountain ranged
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Much larger than the leaf itself furthermore Nagato is stronger than pain so it would be even bigger and Minato trying to warp it away would be impossible because he would have no reason to have any kunai outside the battlefeild Ending Minato.
8 minutes is more than enough time for Minato to finish nagato off,
him having the kurama avatar durability and FTG allows him to have the upper hand at CQC as he can proceed to mark nagato and effectively kill him,
and at a mid/long range combat, not only would Nagatos ST have a lower effect,, but Minato would get the opportunity to fire off multiple TBBs which would kill nagato off,,
CT is destroyed by TBB barrages rather easily,
moreover minato wont be stupid enough unlike KN6 to just let nagato charge up CT,, he would know that he has more than enough DC to destroy the orb and would definitely do so,
he doesnt need to warp away the orb since he has the DC to destroy it,
if Nagato doesnt use his large scale techs whilst minato is in BM then he dies, its as simple as that
-FTG has never really shown a built up in chakra, i dont see where you are getting that from its different from amaterasu and kamui, since the jutsu is instant
@ Bold - No it has to.For teleporting the objects that are very big,it certainly needs a lot of chakra.Not that I mean it matters so much since minato teleported Juubi TBB/Kurama TBB but it is worth a mention in debates.
Kifflom one shotted this debate.Excluding some flaws you did good Job Unorthodox U_U
@ Bold - No it has to.For teleporting the objects that are very big,it certainly needs a lot of chakra.Not that I mean it matters so much since minato teleported Juubi TBB/Kurama TBB but it is worth a mention in debates.
That's the built up for TBB not FTG (which is instant)
Hiruzen is nt a sensor anyways so that further proves how there isn't really any chakra built up for it unlike Amaterasu and other techniques and the explanation mark is just his shock for the oncoming TBB that's all
Teleporting large objects does take a lot of chakra I would admit to that fact
But the FTG that unorthodox is referring to is jus normal teleporting which has never really shown any built up
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Your making a big mistake everytime you mention the Kurama avatar because the juubi laser was piercing force
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as it was able to destroy the the tips of Kurama's tails. The Kurama avatar didnt tank a full powered Juubi laser you can see in that scan i posted that the juubi laser didnt explode it was focused like a beam similar to this
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thus it didnt have an explosion witch means it wasit at full power when Naruto blocked it so before you use The Kurama avatar tanked a mountain vaporizer argument you need to re look at the manga. The tailed beast bomb that juubi shot witch is noticeable for destroying mountains was actually the a Tailed beast blast like this
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also it was much larger shown you can see how the ground was grazed afterwards.
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the first tailed beast bomb Juubi shot hasit shown no feats compared to that one so no the Kurama avatar hasit shown that much durability furthermore killerbee is an example that tailed beast cannot even tanked their own tailed beast bomb
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let alone the Juubi's.
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But what im getting at is tanking one type of high leveled technique doesnt mean your above anything that is weaker than that technique Madara is a prime example he tanked the full assult of evening elephant
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than was chopped in half by Sasuke's Senjutsu sword & Stabed by his Kusanagi blade
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witch obviously is not as strong evening elephant because different defensive takes different attacks differently we've seen blunt force is able to destroy the Kurama avatar
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Obito threw them into the ground at tremendous speed destroying both susanoo & the Kurama avatar witch is blunt force. Nagato's attacks are all based blunt force type attacks shira tensei witch is his only attack that can hit Minato is a blunt force base attacked witch will and would destroy the Kurama avatar if he's caught.
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Using the Kurama avatar roar to attack Nagato is meaningless since it cannot kill him just blow him back or throw you off balance but it would not give Minato any advantages because the preta orb will still be on him in a 360 and its nothing like shira tensei because shira tensei can break bones turn you to paste if your caught by a high powered one and when your saying the boss size shira tensei thats pain Nagato can do a boss sized shira tensei with much less of an effort than deva path could. Nagato would never attempt to fight him in CQC as he has no real skill in the taijutsu aspect chakra arms are useless preta path absorbes them all Kage bushin will do nothing unless they attack him with taijutsu witch asura path completely counters via blast & missiles. Minato's Flying thunder god seal is absorbed when he marks him as it has a chakra connection making it null & he still wouldn't have anything to hit Nagato with as asura path counters all his physical abilities while preta counters all of the ninjutsu.
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Nagato making this a long range fight is suitable because the shockwaves of the Bijuu damas would have less of an effect on him & Minato would use Bijuu dama barrage regarless preta path absrobs it all no matter how many there are dont know why you would even say that furthermore shira tensei would push another Bijuu dama into itself blowing them all up & Minato cannot tank his own Bijuu dama Hachibi has proven that a Bijuu cant tank another Bijuu dama furthermore firing off Bijuu damas during the 5 second interval is useless because preta path still is there. The summonings are not for countering Minato's arsenal they're for saying he will destroy them is dumb because his summonings are for Minato's Summonings. He would never use Chibaku tensei against Minato when he's still in his Kurama avatar mode because he know Minato has the fire power to destroy Chibaku tensei so no tailed beast barrage isnt doing a thing when Minato is in his kmc state. Asura path missiles are guided meaning they wont just fly into his space time barrier they will move around it and attack Minato's kage bushin. Why would he send those missiles at the Kurama avatar when its obvious that it could tank it with no problem. Furthermore why would Nagato leave any near by seals near where he can warp it on him or to him. Frog song doesnt kill and shira tensei blows that genjutsu away same with his fuuton release.
I dont see how speed is irrelevant whilst fighting Nagato, since minato would have the upper hand at CQC,, he would have the speed to land good blows on him, and would certainly have the speed and reflexes to react to Nagatos attacks.
Speed is indeed irrelevant because shira tensei would counter anything in his arsenal speed wise. Fighting in CQC is not a factor again Nagato who isnt proficient in taijutsu his rinnegan abilites make up for all of this. Landing good blows like what Bijuu damas, and Rasengans, are absorbed taijutsu is counterd with asura path multiply limbs and 280 vision
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on top of that a skilled sensor with fairly good reaction time to counter him and not reacting to Nagato's attack was never questioned dont know why you would bring it up.
Minatos foot speed in BM level is almost close to FTG itself,
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Minatos foot speed is significantly higher than Narutos, (who gained substantial speed upon gaining BM, now add the same buffs to Minato and his speed is incredible in BM, and this is just his fooot speed,
No ones foot speed is close to instantaneous furthermore naruto was never mistaken for Minato's speed after that also that proves nothing he said sensei why couldn't he be mistaken that for his footspeed. We can speculate about how fast Minato can or should be but its pure speculation furthermore someone like Obito had no problem reaction to Naruto while he was in Bijuu Mode
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this atleast shows they're fightable you can debate all day that Obito has better reaction time than Nagato but Nagato is the one who reacted to Amaterasu while Obito was hit and is was not off guard he clearly seen Sasuke activate Itachi's mongekyou sharingan and the eyes bleed Obito being an expert on Itachi would know what that meant.
Agreed with most of it, apart from the bold,,
you are implying the speed of amaterasu to be comparable to Minatos, when this is clearly not the case,,
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with ease, the same guy who is
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KCM Naruto is also faster than A, now add the Minatos speeed as well as FTG, and its no way near the same level as amaterasu,,
therefore Nagato isnt easily reacting to Minatos speed,
Amaterasu is indeed comparable maybe even faster than Minato. V2 Ei dodged amaterasu with his shunshin with the fault of him watchin and waiting for Sasuke eye to bleed with all these condition that was the only reason he dodged it. Furthermore base Minato is no where near the speed of V2 Ei he can only react to him mentally he cant do anything physically but watch or move a limb just a tad bit. Plus i disbelive kcm Naruto is faster than Ei he may have dodged his fastest punch with his best shunsin but overall Ei is much faster also the shunshin he used to dodge amaterasu he can dodge his own fastest punch & Naruto's. Ei could have possibly killed Minato
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if Killerbee didnt show up. Minato didnt show anything faster with Kurama Modes he never stated he got faster or anyone else but i'll play along his speed didnt increase to the point where Nagato reacting to him is a problem the Kurama avatar itself is to big to miss a speed blitz isnt happening here whatsoever.
--ST is tanked with ease by the kurama avatar, as nothing short of CST would even scratch minatos kurama avatar durability seeing how it tanked the juubi beam, something which is stronger than anything nagato could dish out,,
Shira tensei isnt easily tanked Kurama avatar or not and Chou shira tensei isnt needed especially because Nagato will know it will time out his best offensive abilities deva path. Nagato can amp his shira tensei similar to what did here
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and if you look at their size compared to the distance they flew its atleast a mile Minato's Kurama avatar may be stronger but it throws him far away to because gamabunta in those frogs are much heavier than Kurama's avatar witch is hollow. Also i already explained the Kurama avatar tanking that juubi beam its different type of attacks and shira tensei is a blunt trama type of attack witch has shown its works handily on the Bijuu modes. This will not cause Nagato much problems to perform a shira tensei of this magnitude as his casual shira tensei blew a forest away
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so him using one at that scale would not take out his deva path abilities for no longer than 15 seconds. Minato wont be back to him at that distance he will blow away and even if he does he still has nothing to get past his Preta & Asura combo.
--being able to sense and being able to react are two different things, nagato may be able to sense Minato coming however he lacks the reflexes to react to something as fast as FTG,,
I know being able to react & sense i know its two different things but as i explained in my first post witch now i know you must of skimmed over Nagato only needs to think of the jutsu to do it
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and as i said most people who were about to be blitz were able to procees a thought
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with this being said he can still use his abilities and what would he blitz him with ninjutsu absorbed taijutsu counterd with asura path. Obito being a s/t user means nothing because kamui is not instant where shira tensei is.
Nagato is a good enough sensor to sense Minato periode. Minato could sense naruto from like miles away and he isnt anywhere near Nagato's level when its comes to sensor but for the most part i agree.
There are alot of inconsistencies in this part of yourr post,,
--FTG has never really shown a built up in chakra, i dont see where you are getting that from its different from amaterasu and kamui, since the jutsu is instant,
How would you know the flying thunder god technique has no chakra build up every jutsu has one even with the slightest chakra as without none he cannot perform ftg. As knightflame said it causes chakra for him to teleport something only reason why it was shown to be taxing is because it was such a large object so with it being a small object the less chakra it uses so its like a small chakra charge instant has nothing to do with anyting. Naruto could sense Sasuke chakra build up for his s/t tech and its instant.
--Minato has a LOT of jutsus to attack Nagato with, you claiming that preta can absorb barrages of mountain busting TBBs is pure stupidity and the ''no limits fallacy'', since not only would it take a long long time for preta to absorb the TBB, the time can also be used by Minato to send a KB out and attempt to mark nagato, or attack him effectively,-- FTG isnt ninjutsu like rasengan or FRS, its a S/T technique, on top of the fact that the markings are seals that have the users chakra connected to it, Preta path CANNOT absorb seals, similar to how it CANNOT absorb jutsus such as paper-tag bombs, preta absorbing chakra out of the FTG seals is pure fanfic.
--Minato doesnt need to use his kunais to attack Nagato,, he has TBBs and kurama roars to attack nagato with as well
Minato does not have alot of jutsu and preta pain can absorb tailed beast bomb barrages no matter what level of destructive power it has and preta path has no limit to what it can absorb
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a bottomless pit meaning is endless. It never takes long to absorb something and you act like Nagato would be unable to attack while hes absorbing something especially when he can multiply his limbs for asura path and use his guided missiles to attack the kage bushin and even if he's hurt theres no reason to say he cannot heal himself via naraka path.
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Furthermore he can absorb the flying thunder god technique and ftg is a ninjutsu its classified as ninjutsu in the databooks aswell all space time techs are ninjutsu. @Bold thats the hole point preta path would absorb the chakra out of the seal making it null i never said preta path can absorb the seals minato has confirmed his seals never go away
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its not like a paper bomb because they dont have chakra to begin with they just explode so you trying to bring that up to support your argument was a poor excuse. why do you keep bringing up the tailed beast bombs argument its absorb no matter how many tailed beast bombs he shoots. Kurama roars only blow you back or knock you off balance with nagato is useless because he can fly via chakra propulsion boots wit his deva path levitation he can dodge all that so again it doesnt faze him.
Nagatos normal ST destructive capacity (DC) is no where near to the DC of an average TBB,
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this is on a higher level than anything nagato could diish out,,,
furthermore the fact that the
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means that an ordinary ST is not doing shit to Minato,
Minato doesnt need to worry about ST since he can tank it with ease, and get right back up, and even if nagato tries to increase the distance, then Minato can fire off Barrages of TBB which would nuke Nagato off the planet,,
the fact is that Minatos BM level durability and DC is far too high, for him to rely on FTG,
Nagato destructive power doesnt need to be on a tailed beast bomb level because they're compeletely useless to him.
Please stop posting that scan that was 5 tailed beast bombs combined plus fully charged an addition to Naruto's flash Bijuu dama Minato alone cant hope to make anything that powerful or destructive. Kurama avatar tanked a weaker version of the real Juubi tailed beast blast that didnt even explode and shira tensei is a different based attack so it would work in different ways to destroy the Kurama avatar Obito throwing Naruto & Sasuke to the ground destroyed a superior Bijuu sage mode avatar that launch isnt as powerfull as a juubi laser either but it destroyed Naruto's Kurama. tailed beast bomb barrage isnt nuking him off the planet not when he's absorbing them and you act as if kurama doesnt have a charge time tbbs come at a cost witch takes alot of chakra so he is not continuously using tailed beast barrages as you claim. Flying thunder god technique is useless offensively anyways.
the summonings are not affected at all, since they are different entities to nagato and his paths, the summons power iis still the same as whhen they are summoned by Pein,
moreover @bold - you have already claimed that all the summonings would get incinerated by TBBs which further proves the fact they are not doing much Minato, especially since they all lack the firepower to hurt Minatos kurama avatar
Summonings are affected. Madara is a better weilder of the rinnegan so all his rinnegan abilities would be on another tier this goes for the same with Nagato & pain preta path got stronger because nagato is stronger the summonings come from preta path thus they get stronger aswell. i already said the summonings are used incase Minato uses his own summonings nothing more.
The scans that you have provided dont prove anything at all,
--the first scan about mugen onsa, involved MS users, on top of the fact that they werent able to detec the jutsu prior to the attack, and were shocked since both of them got affected by it,,
Sasuke & Itachi had they're backs turned and they cant sense so ofcourse they would get caught Nagato being aware of Sound genjutsu would sense and see it shira tensei or fuuton blows it back like temari did in canon.
--the second scan is also not relevant since Temari is using fuuton ninjutsu not genjutsu,
--and the third scan where its frog song, had the peins struggling since their shared vision were disrupted due to the sound affecting them
@Bold - how the hell is it useless, furthermore this scan is irrelevant since juubito doesnt use preta, he uses TSB as a defensive resort which is different from preta,, not only that but
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as evident from the scan,
and because of this minato would immediately know that his chakra is being taken away thereby he can use FTG to evade the onslaught easily,
not to mention that minatos kurama avatar is far too large, and the chakra absorption would take a long time for preta, and if minato has some KB around, then he can use them to attack nagato as well,
as for SM, its irrelevant, since its not IC for Minato to use it anyways, nor does he need it to beat nagato
I was posting that scan to show everything of Minato Kurama's Avatar is composed of chakra so if he trys an attack like that its absorbed. Nagato doesnt need to take a physical blow preta path has an orb
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that is around you as long as preta is active plus its a 360. Using flying thunder god technique to evade preta path is pointless because he still wont have anything to hit Nagato with later. Preta path is more of a defense its not meant to absorb the hole Kurama avatar. Kage bushin are useless like Minato they lack anything that can hurt Nagato furthermore they can be destroyed with a single attack. Agree on the sage mode thing i though you would be one of the bsm fanfic people.
The moment nagato goes airborne he is losing this match,, he doesnt stand a chacne againt firepower of such magnitude,, and claiming that nagato can evade attacks of such AOE is ridiculous
his preta wont work against TBB barrages with each TBB being larger than the summon itself, and the time taken to absorb let alone one TBB is far too long, as Minato can fire off more TBB which would nuke nagato off the planet,
and his ST wont work either since Nagato would need a large enough ST to repel even one TBB, and afterwards Nagato is left vulnerable and Minato can fire off another TBB to finish him off
When Nagato is airborn firepower means nothing because it wont reach him. evading those attack when your flying in not impossible not matter of Aoe it has also you act like tailed beast bombs will explode at will they need to hit a target to go off similar to a real bomb and with Nagato flying around in the air they never touch him or could he just absorb them. Preta does work against tailed beast bomb barrage you even admitted thats why you said earlier when Nagato is absorbing the tailed beast bomb barrage Minato would make kage bushin to attack him also your reason for why it wont work is weak nothing but fanboyism behind it and what summon are you talking about. Absorbing one means nothing same as him firing more they just keep getting absorbed. Shira tensei would work not like he would need when he can dodge or absorb them but shira tensei would push one tailed beast bomb into another causing a chain of explosions. Nagato would never be left vulnerable and if he is how is firing another tailed beast bomb helping
at all.
the fact that the kurama roar managed to knock back 5 bijuus makes it stronger than most of Nagatos ST,, you claiming that its useless is just funny, and Minato wont need to use the kurama roar either since he can simply fire off TBB which have more than enough DC to kill Nagato
Kurama roar is dodged once Nagato takes flight and pain blew back 3 boss summomnings miles apart Nagato is on another level than him dont see why he cant blow 5 Bijuu back. tailed beast bombs are usless tired of stating it you just reciting the same lines everypost.
8 minutes is more than enough time for Minato to finish nagato off,
him having the kurama avatar durability and FTG allows him to have the upper hand at CQC as he can proceed to mark nagato and effectively kill him,
and at a mid/long range combat, not only would Nagatos ST have a lower effect,, but Minato would get the opportunity to fire off multiple TBBs which would kill nagato off,,
8 Minutes is no where near enough time by the time Minato figures out Nagato abilities his time is up furthermore Minato thinking Nagato cannot harm him in anyway would get caught up by the rinnegan chains
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witch even flying thunder god technique wont help him get out of. CQC is never happening Nagato isnt a fool. He absorbs the chakra out of the marking. how would being close make shira tensei have a lesser effect? Tbbs are absorbed.
CT is destroyed by TBB barrages rather easily,
moreover minato wont be stupid enough unlike KN6 to just let nagato charge up CT,, he would know that he has more than enough DC to destroy the orb and would definitely do so,
he doesnt need to warp away the orb since he has the DC to destroy it,
if Nagato doesnt use his large scale techs whilst minato is in BM then he dies, its as simple as that
Your making a big mistake everytime you mention the Kurama avatar because the juubi laser was piercing force
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as it was able to destroy the the tips of Kurama's tails. The Kurama avatar didnt tank a full powered Juubi laser you can see in that scan i posted that the juubi laser didnt explode it was focused like a beam similar to this
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thus it didnt have an explosion witch means it wasit at full power when Naruto blocked it so before you use The Kurama avatar tanked a mountain vaporizer argument you need to re look at the manga.
if you look carefully on the first panel, there is an explosion there, i dont see why you are claiming that it didnt explode at all, and if you look at the second panel right afterwards, it is clear that the kurama avatar managed to tank the beam, since it was aimed right towards it, and the scruff marks on the avatar further proves the fact that the beam was tanked,
2. what do you mean the beam wasnt the juubis full power, you have no evidence about the limits of juubis powers, but what we do know and what is obvious is that beam indeed is capable of busting mountains,
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, when they
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and fought against them as well, not only that but kurama has shown to be able to use attacks of
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something which nagato really has no counters for at all,
3. whether you believe that the juubi wasnt using its full power or not, its still irrelevant, since the fact is that the
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, and its magnitude is on a whole other level to anything that nagato could dish out, which is why the kuraam avatar can and will tank ALL of nagatos attacks, you denying that the Juubis DC > Nagato, means that you are denying the manga facts son.
The tailed beast bomb that juubi shot witch is noticeable for destroying mountains was actually the a Tailed beast blast like this
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also it was much larger shown you can see how the ground was grazed afterwards.
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the first tailed beast bomb Juubi shot hasit shown no feats compared to that one so no the Kurama avatar hasit shown that much durability furthermore killerbee is an example that tailed beast cannot even tanked their own tailed beast bomb
lol whats up with this part of the post, ??????????
--the first scan that you have shown is of KN4 firing a TBB, its completely irrelevant, since I referred to the beam by the juubi, on top of the fact that Juubi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> KN4, and the kurama avatar tanked the juubi beam fair and square, since its obvious to even a monkey,
--@bold (1) - you already claimed that the whole ground was grazed due to the effects of juubis attacks, thus further emphasising my point on why the kurama avatar tanking the similar juubi beam has more than enough durability to tank nagatos attacks,,, the
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is exactly similar to the
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so you claiming that the juubi beam has no feats, along with claiming that the beams are different is pure denial and also undermines your argument completely
--@bold (2) - you are implying that Killer bees durability = the kuraam avatar, is wrong, very very wrong,
furthermore the
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, i dont know why you are ignoring the manga, and the fact that hachibi was hurt doesnt mean anything,
not only that but Kyuubi > hachibi, in terms of everything,
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in firepower, and also
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, so your whole argument is completely moot here,
But what im getting at is tanking one type of high leveled technique doesnt mean your above anything that is weaker than that technique Madara is a prime example he tanked the full assult of evening elephant
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than was chopped in half by Sasuke's Senjutsu sword & Stabed by his Kusanagi blade
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witch obviously is not as strong evening elephant because different defensive takes different attacks differently we've seen blunt force is able to destroy the Kurama avatar
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Obito threw them into the ground at tremendous speed destroying both susanoo & the Kurama avatar witch is blunt force. Nagato's attacks are all based blunt force type attacks shira tensei witch is his only attack that can hit Minato is a blunt force base attacked witch will and would destroy the Kurama avatar if he's caught.
--ST is a shockwave, and has a similar repulsive affect as the juubi beam, not only that but ST were tanked by SM naruto someone whose durability is much lower than the kurama avatar, and the
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, someone who is far inferior to the kurama avatar in every way,
so your whole argument on the kurama avatar not being able to tank ST is laughable,
--@bold - you are implying that Nagato = Juubito here, which is pure BS, Juubitos attacks are on a whole other level, and can concentrate the power of thhe juubi into focused attacks, not only that but its completely irrelevant since juubitos attacks use onmyoudon which can negate all ninjutsu,
dont bother with bringing juubito in your argument because its not helping you at all
Using the Kurama avatar roar to attack Nagato is meaningless since it cannot kill him just blow him back or throw you off balance but it would not give Minato any advantages because the preta orb will still be on him in a 360 and its nothing like shira tensei because shira tensei can break bones turn you to paste if your caught by a high powered one and when your saying the boss size shira tensei thats pain Nagato can do a boss sized shira tensei with much less of an effort than deva path could.
How the hell is an attack useless if cant kill a character, by ur logic ''if an attack cant kill someone, but hurt him, its useless''
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is superior to most of Nagatos ST, not only that but the roar can counter preta quite well, and allows Minato a very good opening to either mark nagato whilst he is down, or nuke him down through TBB barrages,,
and no, preta is not absorbing several TBBs because not only would it take time to absorb only one TBB, the other so TBB can also overwhelm him completely,
--Minato can use the kurama roar (which is a repulsive force) along with TBB to overwhelm nagato completely, since the roar would correspond a stronger force along with TBB thus helping minato land the attack on nagato, through countering preta as well as devas powers,
--Nagato using ST on TBB barrages is also not helpful, because even if it can repel some TBBs, Minato can shoot back more TBBs, and during the interval time, Nagato would be a sitting duck for TBBs, and would get overwhelmed..
using ST right back at Minatos TBB is also not effective since Minato can use the S/T barrieer to redirect the attack right back again, and since nagato would have the interval,, he is getting killed during that time
--Another option is that Minato doesnt have to use TBB right towards Nagato, he can shoot the TBB at a location close to Nagato, and make it explode,, since preta wont be able to absorb the explosion, and would allow Minato to attack him effectively,
Nagato would never attempt to fight him in CQC as he has no real skill in the taijutsu aspect chakra arms are useless preta path absorbes them all Kage bushin will do nothing unless they attack him with taijutsu witch asura path completely counters via blast & missiles. Minato's Flying thunder god seal is absorbed when he marks him as it has a chakra connection making it null & he still wouldn't have anything to hit Nagato with as asura path counters all his physical abilities while preta counters all of the ninjutsu.
Nagato not attempting Minato in CQC is still not helpful for him, since minato can overwhelm him through TBBs,,
and you admitting that nagatos CQC skills arent good enough further shows that BM Minato would be able to mark Nagato through the use of KB or his FTG speed, especially now that his durability ensures that he can tank nagatos attacks and his DC is much higher
--whilst chakra arms can be absorbed,
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, not only that but Minato has the advantage of FTG so through KB he can outnumber Nagato, and once nagato is marked Minato can immediately use the opportunity to land a blow on him
--the missiles are thrown projectiles, they are geetting redirected righht back at Nagato through the S/T barrier,, or Minato can evade them through FTG,,, on top of the fact that his durability allows him to tank the missiles with ease
--Nagato is not absorbing the FTG seal, similar to how he cant absorb paper bombs, the seals may have chakra infused in them, but they are not ninjutsu, they are fuinjutsu, preta cannot absorb seals, thats pure crap,
asura cannot is not helping nagato at all, neither is preta since claiming that preta can absorb several TBB barrages is ridicullous, since the time taken to absorb the TBBs is far too long
Nagato making this a long range fight is suitable because the shockwaves of the Bijuu damas would have less of an effect on him & Minato would use Bijuu dama barrage regarless preta path absrobs it all no matter how many there are dont know why you would even say that furthermore shira tensei would push another Bijuu dama into itself blowing them all up & Minato cannot tank his own Bijuu dama Hachibi has proven that a Bijuu cant tank another Bijuu dama furthermore firing off Bijuu damas during the 5 second interval is useless because preta path still is there.
Minato doesnt need to rely on TBB shockwaves at all, the TBBs themselves are more than enough to overwhelm nagato, his defenses and his arsenal cant withstand his firepower at all,,
1. Minato doesnt need to fire off TBB right at Nagato, he can fire them at a location close to him as nagato would be unable to absorb the explosion itself, and his ST wont suffice either since minato can fire off another TBB right at that location, not only that but the TBBs have shown to have an extremely large AOE something which nagato wont be evading at all,
2. I have already told you that the kurama avatar >> Hachibi in terms of durability, and claiiming that the bijuu cant tank their own TBB is bull crap, since you dont have any proof to back up your statement at all, moreover @bold, if all the TBB result in ''blowing up'' then Nagato would be the one getting killed not minato, since minatos kyuubi avatar durability is much higher than nagatos, and the TBBs AOE would be closer to Nagato and effecting him more, on top of the fact that nagato wont have the means to survive the blast at all, since his preta wont be absorbing the explosion itself and he wuld be unable to use his ST thanks to the interval
The summonings are not for countering Minato's arsenal they're for saying he will destroy them is dumb because his summonings are for Minato's Summonings. He would never use Chibaku tensei against Minato when he's still in his Kurama avatar mode because he know Minato has the fire power to destroy Chibaku tensei so no tailed beast barrage isnt doing a thing when Minato is in his kmc state. Asura path missiles are guided meaning they wont just fly into his space time barrier they will move around it and attack Minato's kage bushin. Why would he send those missiles at the Kurama avatar when its obvious that it could tank it with no problem. Furthermore why would Nagato leave any near by seals near where he can warp it on him or to him. Frog song doesnt kill and shira tensei blows that genjutsu away same with his fuuton release.
--the summonings are getting one shotted by TBB since they as well as Naagato would be within the TBBs range, Minato doesnt need to rely on his summonings at all, seeing how easily he can one-shot nagatos summonings through his firepower,
--in-order for the miissiles to even attack minato they have to first reach him, and since you claim that minato would be targeted, then the S/T barrier would be able to redirect them,, not that the missiles even mattter since they would be evaded with ease, thanks to FTG,
--Minato can use land frog song through his KB whilst the real one pressures nagato through his attacks,, ST wont be able to redirect the sound genjutsu for longer periods of time especially when Minato would be attacking him through his kurama avatar, and the interval would leave nagato open for the genjutsu to take effect,,,
Speed is indeed irrelevant because shira tensei would counter anything in his arsenal speed wise. Fighting in CQC is not a factor again Nagato who isnt proficient in taijutsu his rinnegan abilites make up for all of this. Landing good blows like what Bijuu damas, and Rasengans, are absorbed taijutsu is counterd with asura path multiply limbs and 280 vision
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on top of that a skilled sensor with fairly good reaction time to counter him and not reacting to Nagato's attack was never questioned dont know why you would bring it up.
Nagatos shared vision is not helping him,, since his summonings are getting one-shotted through TBBs here, and is getting attacked effectively similar to how he diid
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thhe only difference is that Minatos attacks or on a whole different speed and firepoweer tier,
TBB barrages are not getting absorbed, you are bringing up the no-limits fallacy and yyou are overrating ST to a ridiculous extent, i have already shown you why TBB barrages are not getting countered by Nagato,
No ones foot speed is close to instantaneous furthermore naruto was never mistaken for Minato's speed after that also that proves nothing he said sensei why couldn't he be mistaken that for his footspeed. We can speculate about how fast Minato can or should be but its pure speculation furthermore someone like Obito had no problem reaction to Naruto while he was in Bijuu Mode
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this atleast shows they're fightable you can debate all day that Obito has better reaction time than Nagato but Nagato is the one who reacted to Amaterasu while Obito was hit and is was not off guard he clearly seen Sasuke activate Itachi's mongekyou sharingan and the eyes bleed Obito being an expert on Itachi would know what that meant.
Minato has FTG,, thats instantaneous teleportation,,
moreover, i never claimed that minatos foot speed is instantaneous, what i stated that his speed is still close to that level now that he has BM level speed added to his already quick base speed,
kakashi comparing
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further proves that he has the ''near FTG'' level speed, and that they are still on the same tier of speed,
Amaterasu is indeed comparable maybe even faster than Minato. V2 Ei dodged amaterasu with his shunshin with the fault of him watchin and waiting for Sasuke eye to bleed with all these condition that was the only reason he dodged it. Furthermore base Minato is no where near the speed of V2 Ei he can only react to him mentally he cant do anything physically but watch or move a limb just a tad bit. Plus i disbelive kcm Naruto is faster than Ei he may have dodged his fastest punch with his best shunsin but overall Ei is much faster also the shunshin he used to dodge amaterasu he can dodge his own fastest punch & Naruto's. Ei could have possibly killed Minato
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if Killerbee didnt show up. Minato didnt show anything faster with Kurama Modes he never stated he got faster or anyone else but i'll play along his speed didnt increase to the point where Nagato reacting to him is a problem the Kurama avatar itself is to big to miss a speed blitz isnt happening here whatsoever.
This is laughable especially the bold, Minato outright evaded A’s assault and reacted to it, you are simply denying manga facts, and A could’ve never killed Minato since Minato outspeeded him completely through FTG,,
A dodged amatearsu after the flames were ignited I don’t know where you are getting the fanfic from, and KCM naruto who is slower than BM Minato is faster than A,
So you are wrong here,
so him using one at that scale would not take out his deva path abilities for no longer than 15 seconds. Minato wont be back to him at that distance he will blow away and even if he does he still has nothing to get past his Preta & Asura combo.
15 seconds is more than enough time for an FTG user along with BM user to kill Nagato especially when he can aid his TBB through his FTG to land them right at nagato and finish him off
When Nagato is airborn firepower means nothing because it wont reach him. evading those attack when your flying in not impossible not matter of Aoe it has also you act like tailed beast bombs will explode at will they need to hit a target to go off similar to a real bomb and with Nagato flying around in the air they never touch him or could he just absorb them.
Nagato evading the TBBs is pure BS, the fact that even someone like Juubito failed to do so, makes it laughable, the TBBs have an AOE far too large and now that they are aided with FTG, they are definitely landing on nagato,, not only that but increasing the distance would hurt nagato here since his deva paths techniques wont be at a higher extent since he makes himself the epicentre and the further you are the safer you are from ST/BT
Kurama roar is dodged once Nagato takes flight and pain blew back 3 boss summomnings miles apart Nagato is on another level than him dont see why he cant blow 5 Bijuu back.
CQC is never happening Nagato isnt a fool. He absorbs the chakra out of the marking. how would being close make shira tensei have a lesser effect? Tbbs are absorbed.
Nagatos deva paths techniques wont be at a higher extent if the distance is increased seeing how the entire konoha managed to suvive CST, not only that but since nagato himself is the epicentre of his deva path techniques, the further you are the safer the lower the damage dealt
]Nagato would never use chibaku tensei while Minato has his bijuu mode on furthermore there is no charge time for chibaku tensei
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these are just to panels apart is builds very fast. thus this is
By that time,minato would already have markings placed outside the range for CT seeing how in your premise you have nagato fighting a long range battle
And if nagato doesn’t use his large scale techniques whilst minato is in BM then he is dying
This comes down to weather you believe Preta path can absorb multiple tbbs or not and after watching the tbb's go off in the anime which you can get a better analysis on the shock waves they give off im going to have to give this one to Kifflom.
This comes down to weather you believe Preta path can absorb multiple tbbs or not and after watching the tbb's go off in the anime which you can get a better analysis on the shock waves they give off im going to have to give this one to Kifflom.
This comes down to weather you believe Preta path can absorb multiple tbbs or not and after watching the tbb's go off in the anime which you can get a better analysis on the shock waves they give off im going to have to give this one to Kifflom.
Thanks man
But as I stated the shockwaves of TBB are still not that important..
As minato had ways of landing the TBB right at nagato by aiding them through FTG
There were quite a few problems with your posts. You claimed that Nagato can react to Minato because Obito did, and Nagato has better reactions, even though you failed to provide sufficient proof for either of these claims. Obito never reacted to Naruto's Shunshin. Minato is faster than Naruto (Which Kifflom stated but wrote it off as mere speculation, which was a bad idea) and you claimed that Nagato had better reactions because he reacted to Amaterasu, even though that isn't evidence at all since he didn't react to it, he sensed it being prepped.
You also stated that the Kurama Avatar takes heavy damage from a Shinra Tensei, which again was backed up by very shaky evidence. Such as the good ol' "Different types of damage" argument. All attacks output energy, and all that causes damage. The only thing that differs is how the damage is applied. Juubi Dama output more energy than CST, and Naruto tanked the Juubi Dama, so CST gets tanked as well. Your Juubito comparison was a bad idea, since as Kifflom mentioned, Juubito>>>>>>Nagato.
And finally, we have the Bijuu Dama part of the argument. Kifflom stated that Continuous Bijuu Dama being absorbed by Preta Path is nothing but a no limits fallacy, which is true, and you only made that clear by posting the DB page and saying that Preta Path has no limit, which is the very definition of a no limits fallacy.
Also Preta Path has to be activated. It isn't kept up indefinitely. Take abilities from the manga how they are shown and nothing more.
Kifflom
You had some issues with your posts too, but less than unorthodox. First off you stated that since Minato and Naruto were paralleled when he knocked those Bijuu Dama away, it meant that Naruto's foot speed is Hiraishin level, which couldn't be farther from the truth, but this is a minor issue so I'm not going to go into it.
You said that Nagato can't absorb the explosion of the Bijuu Dama itself, but you never explained why the explosion wouldn't be able to be absorbed. You also had a really good point when you said Minato can use Hiraishin to land Bijuu Dama directly on Nagato, preventing him from reacting with Preta Path, but you never really went into detail how he does it.
You also could have done a better job explaining how Hiraishin marks aren't chakra, and how they aren't getting absorbed by Preta Path.
You both had some good points in your arguments, but Kifflom countered most of unorthodox's main and vital points. I think its pretty clear that he wins this one.
There were quite a few problems with your posts. You claimed that Nagato can react to Minato because Obito did, and Nagato has better reactions, even though you failed to provide sufficient proof for either of these claims. Obito never reacted to Naruto's Shunshin. Minato is faster than Naruto (Which Kifflom stated but wrote it off as mere speculation, which was a bad idea) and you claimed that Nagato had better reactions because he reacted to Amaterasu, even though that isn't evidence at all since he didn't react to it, he sensed it being prepped.
You also stated that the Kurama Avatar takes heavy damage from a Shinra Tensei, which again was backed up by very shaky evidence. Such as the good ol' "Different types of damage" argument. All attacks output energy, and all that causes damage. The only thing that differs is how the damage is applied. Juubi Dama output more energy than CST, and Naruto tanked the Juubi Dama, so CST gets tanked as well. Your Juubito comparison was a bad idea, since as Kifflom mentioned, Juubito>>>>>>Nagato.
And finally, we have the Bijuu Dama part of the argument. Kifflom stated that Continuous Bijuu Dama being absorbed by Preta Path is nothing but a no limits fallacy, which is true, and you only made that clear by posting the DB page and saying that Preta Path has no limit, which is the very definition of a no limits fallacy.
Also Preta Path has to be activated. It isn't kept up indefinitely. Take abilities from the manga how they are shown and nothing more.
Kifflom
You had some issues with your posts too, but less than unorthodox. First off you stated that since Minato and Naruto were paralleled when he knocked those Bijuu Dama away, it meant that Naruto's foot speed is Hiraishin level, which couldn't be farther from the truth, but this is a minor issue so I'm not going to go into it.
You said that Nagato can't absorb the explosion of the Bijuu Dama itself, but you never explained why the explosion wouldn't be able to be absorbed. You also had a really good point when you said Minato can use Hiraishin to land Bijuu Dama directly on Nagato, preventing him from reacting with Preta Path, but you never really went into detail how he does it.
You also could have done a better job explaining how Hiraishin marks aren't chakra, and how they aren't getting absorbed by Preta Path.
You both had some good points in your arguments, but Kifflom countered most of unorthodox's main and vital points. I think its pretty clear that he wins this one.
Unorthodox, I don't see how Preta will absorb multiple TBBs, but a few probably. The scan provided about Preta is taken out of context.
ST pushing away Minato far enough is good stuff, but I don't see it pushing him too far to basically negate the recharge.
Also, Minato would have easily killed Ay and Bee.
Kifflorm, I am still iffy about Preta not absorbing the seal.
The counter to Preta provided by the roar and TBBs stands within reason it would work.
I apologize, but how is OriginalDebater's verdict is even worthy of a judging? He didn't go in depth of good and bad points on both sides. Anyway, unorthodox obviously lost, since I didn't see him use Nagato's abilities to their full potential. He could have done better.
