[Theory] Secunda Etapa unique only to Ulquiorra

[Forbidden Tale]

Ulquiorra was ashamed because he is white, unlike his other comrades.

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Aizen transformed Ulq from hollow to Arrancar with Hogyoku. What Hogyoku do? Sense the hearts of those around it and materialize their deepest desire.

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That's how Ulq got 2nd etapa. Aizen didn't know that Hogyoku gave him 2nd etapa, since he only intended to give him 1st stage, just like others, but Hogyoku has his own will.

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I know that Ulq is the only one who demonstrate usage of 2nd etapa, but this is for others who claim that Grimm will be back with 2nd etapa and that some others arrancars have potential to achieve 2nd etapa (though I don't dispose that it's still possible).

 

[Dãrth1]

Probaly it's like bankai, other Arrancars can achieve it, but it's hard

 

[Grim]

it just showed that he was above the rest, I'm pretty sure that Grimmjow will be much more powerful than he used to be.. how could he be without 2nd etapa? I don't think Aizen gave anything to anyone "personally"

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Probaly it's like bankai, other Arrancars can achieve it, but it's hard

Why that probably? I just gave you a solid evidence going against it.

it just showed that he was above the rest, I'm pretty sure that Grimmjow will be much more powerful than he used to be.. how could he be without 2nd etapa? I don't think Aizen gave anything to anyone "personally"

Not really, if my statements are correct.
Ulq isn't impressive like other peoples think.
Ofc, Grimm is main arracnar, he need to be strongest, as I say people overrate Ulq so much, guy was just average, and he said that there are 3 espada stronger than him and Yammy also stated that he is stronger than Ulq, which Ichigo acknowledge and didn't go against that statament, even though latter just before that was fighting against Ulq.
So, I would say that there is 3 espadas stronger than Ulq (Yammy, Coyote and Barragan) and all of them have only 1st stage, which mean that you can be stronger than someone with 2nd etapa, just like captains with only shikai (Kyoraku) can be stronger than some other captains in their bankai (Hitsugaya, Sui Feng, Byakuya).

 

[AnimusOra]

Ulquiorra was ashamed because he is white, unlike his other comrades.

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Aizen transformed Ulq from hollow to Arrancar with Hogyoku. What Hogyoku do? Sense the hearts of those around it and materialize their deepest desire.

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That's how Ulq got 2nd etapa. Aizen didn't know that Hogyoku gave him 2nd etapa, since he only intended to give him 1st stage, just like others, but Hogyoku has his own will.

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I know that Ulq is the only one who demonstrate usage of 2nd etapa, but this is for others who claim that Grimm will be back with 2nd etapa and that some others arrancars have potential to achieve 2nd etapa (though I don't dispose that it's still possible).

I really don't think it came down to the Hogyoku giving Ulqiorra the 2nd release form. From my understanding of the Hogyoku the only way that it truly affects you in the fullest potential would be if it accepts you as its master. Best example would be when Aizen was sealed. When the Hogyoku rejected him Aizen started losing all of his powers. I agree with you that the reason why Ulqiorra was the only one to gain the 2nd release was because he deeply desired to turn into a black hollow, but i don't agree that the Hogyoku allowed it to happen if it never was in Ulqiorras control. Its more like his own personal reasons for achieving it.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I really don't think it came down to the Hogyoku giving Ulqiorra the 2nd release form. From my understanding of the Hogyoku the only way that it truly affects you in the fullest potential would be if it accepts you as its master.

I don't understand, your understanding

Chad and Orihime were able to get powers of Hogyoku. Hollows were turned into arrancars by hogyoku. Hogyoku listed hearth of this around him.

Best example would be when Aizen was sealed. When the Hogyoku rejected him Aizen started losing all of his powers. I agree with you that the reason why Ulqiorra was the only one to gain the 2nd release was because he deeply desired to turn into a black hollow, but i don't agree that the Hogyoku allowed it to happen if it never was in Ulqiorras control. Its more like his own personal reasons for achieving it.

I'm not sure how would Ulq turn into black hollow without help of Hogyoku...

It was in Ulquiorra's wishes, that's why Hogyoku allowed that to happen, Ulq in some way had control, if I can call it that way.

 

[AnimusOra]

I don't understand, your understanding

Chad and Orihime were able to get powers of Hogyoku. Hollows were turned into arrancars by hogyoku. Hogyoku listed hearth of this around him.



I'm not sure how would Ulq turn into black hollow without help of Hogyoku...

It was in Ulquiorra's wishes, that's why Hogyoku allowed that to happen, Ulq in some way had control, if I can call it that way.

I guess the best way to describe it would be like religious beliefs. People say that they can communicate with God or dietys of any sort and claim that those dietys influence them into making their own decisions in life. But that isn't true. The truth is that it is their own self conscience (electricity running through your brain) telling you what to do and what decisions choices you should make. In the story of the Hogyoku, it may have influenced certain things to happen in the story but to say that everyone didn't make their own choice in what they decide is incorrect. They already made the choices they wanted and now they are trying to understand the choices they are making. That is where i believe the Hogyoku has it true power changing the persons understanding of the choices they made in order the Hogyoku to get credit as the one who made the choice. Aizen knew he was going to fuse with the Hogyoku and he knew he was going to do it, but never understood why he did it he just did. From the influend of the Hogyoku he wanted to become the new Soul King (Hogyoku's True Will) but Aizen's was to be defeated(or so the speculation exists because of what Ichigo had said) I know i am confusing about explaining my perception of this. If the Hogyoku was as powerful as it is stated to be then why would it be absent currently in this War Arc? If Aizen's true will was to be defeated and the Hogyokus true will was to be the new soul king, don't you think it could influence or maybe even interfere with Ywach killing the Soul King?

 

[Zeta42]

Not a bad theory. If we go by that, and consider Grimmjow's wish to become a Vasto Lorde... Then it doesn't give us much.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

That is where i believe the Hogyoku has it true power changing the persons understanding of the choices they made in order the Hogyoku to get credit as the one who made the choice. Aizen knew he was going to fuse with the Hogyoku and he knew he was going to do it, but never understood why he did it he just did. From the influend of the Hogyoku he wanted to become the new Soul King (Hogyoku's True Will) but Aizen's was to be defeated(or so the speculation exists because of what Ichigo had said) I know i am confusing about explaining my perception of this. If the Hogyoku was as powerful as it is stated to be then why would it be absent currently in this War Arc? If Aizen's true will was to be defeated and the Hogyokus true will was to be the new soul king, don't you think it could influence or maybe even interfere with Ywach killing the Soul King?

I'm still not sure how that goes against anything I said in OP. XD

Not a bad theory. If we go by that, and consider Grimmjow's wish to become a Vasto Lorde... Then it doesn't give us much.

Grimmjow is likely already VL.

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Nah Grimmjow would probably have a new release...he needs a powerup to be relevant and unlike Starrk and Barragan,Grimmjows 1st Release is weak so he needs a new release...

Though you maybe right and in that case Grimmjow probably just became stronger in his 1st form

 

[jiraiya lives]

I completely agree with this.

 

[Phoenix110]

That's just a theory let's leave Ulq at number 4

 

[Forbidden Tale]

That's just a theory let's leave Ulq at number 4

I'm not sure about your point here...

 

[xanonymosx]

well makes some sense , i mean if the other ones could learn it or lets at least say know about it they will for sure i am not sure about starrk cause he dsnt seek power but a control maniac like barragan will surely do what ever it takes to achive it

 

[Phoenix110]

I'm not sure about your point here...

My point here is that Aizen is a smart and perceptive man and he seem to know his stock quite well so if he numbered them like that then he definitely knew what he was doing so let's just trust his judgement and numbering

 

[Zeta42]

Grimmjow is likely already VL.

Yeah, that's what I was suggesting. And the other thing I implied was... VL Grimmjow is weak as f**k. All it took Ichigo to defeat him was bankai and a Hollow mask, no other powerups like Super Hollow form or Dangai training. So I hope there's something wrong with my reasoning.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

My point here is that Aizen is a smart and perceptive man and he seem to know his stock quite well so if he numbered them like that then he definitely knew what he was doing so let's just trust his judgement and numbering

Again, what's the point of that?

When did I said, anything about Aizen ranking them? Title of the thread is "Secunda etapa only unique to Ulq"

 

[Phoenix110]

My point isn't entirely or partially learning towards the thread title and it's best to say the fact that it's a second release means every other espada above him might be able to achieve it but my point is leaning towards the developing argument that due to that second release he's stronger than those above him

 

[apple pie of doom]

Yeah, it's unique to Ulquiorra only, effectively making Ulquiorra stronger than Halibel and Starrk.
Not sure about Barragan though.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Ulquiorra was ashamed because he is white, unlike his other comrades.

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Aizen transformed Ulq from hollow to Arrancar with Hogyoku. What Hogyoku do? Sense the hearts of those around it and materialize their deepest desire.

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That's how Ulq got 2nd etapa. Aizen didn't know that Hogyoku gave him 2nd etapa, since he only intended to give him 1st stage, just like others, but Hogyoku has his own will.

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I know that Ulq is the only one who demonstrate usage of 2nd etapa, but this is for others who claim that Grimm will be back with 2nd etapa and that some others arrancars have potential to achieve 2nd etapa (though I don't dispose that it's still possible).

Yammi also had a second from, just because Yammy didn't call it the same thing as Ulq. doesn't mean it's not the same concept. Kubo showed us twice he seems to have felt that was enough.