Why do people treat all rasengan variants as the same jutsu?

[Angelofchaos179]

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[SusanooKyuubi]

oh, ok, I thought you were talking about nagashi, raijuu, kirin, senbon, tsurugi etc...

in other words U had no point( 2 diff charas)

It's the same concept but with different chakra natures, the same could probably be said with some versions of Katon (Say, the Fire ball jutsu and Pheonix Flower Jutsu), or even Kekkei Genkai (I may be stretching it a little but still)

 

[super yang]

You highlight the word manipulation like it is something special. It takes the ability to manipulate a nature to add it to a rasengan. In fact, the rasengan variants (just like the chidori variants) are at the pinnacle of shape and nature transformation.

again, that's the point. rasengan was already the pinnacle, so everything afterward is a rehash. no new manipulation is possible. its a spinning orb every time.

chidori variants are not all the pinnacle of nature manip. only the original is.

 

[shadowcb]

again, that's the point. rasengan was already the pinnacle, so everything afterward is a rehash. no new manipulation is possible. its a spinning orb every time.

chidori variants are not all the pinnacle of nature manip. only the original is.

You are wrong. The normal pure chakra rasengan is only shape manipulation, but some of his rasengan variants are not pure chakra jutsu, they are element chakra jutsu IE: magnet rasengan. So by adding an element to the rasengan he has added a new manipulation, element manipulation. The FRS even adds an addition shape manipulation to the rasengan, the shuriken. That shape surrounds the rasengan.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Tbh,they are the same jutsu just with different types.

 

[chaos control]

again, that's the point. rasengan was already the pinnacle, so everything afterward is a rehash. no new manipulation is possible. its a spinning orb every time.

chidori variants are not all the pinnacle of nature manip. only the original is.

It is new manipulation because it adds new natures and effects. A rehash is something that doesn't do anything new. The fact that it involves an orb doesn't really matter.

A spherical iron bullet from an AK-47 is not the same as a spherical beebee from a beebee gun just because they are both spherical.

 

[shadowcb]

Tbh,they are the same jutsu just with different types.

I didn't know a wind jutsu was the same as a lava jutsu. If that's the case we might as well say every single jutsu in the manga is the same.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

It is new manipulation because it adds new natures and effects. A rehash is something that doesn't do anything new. The fact that it involves an orb doesn't really matter.

A spherical iron bullet from an AK-47 is not the same as a spherical beebee from a beebee gun just because they are both spherical.

You can't compare a bullet with the Rasengan,the rasengan itself stays the same since Naruto just adds something to it.Every single Rasengan type uses the regular version as a base.

 

[chaos control]

Tbh,they are the same jutsu just with different types.

So are you saying that cellular destruction is the same thing as burning which is also the same thing as sealing/binding?

Different effect = different jutsu. A shot gun and a water gun are both guns, but I think we all know which one you'd rather be shot with.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I didn't know a wind jutsu was the same as a lava jutsu. If that's the case we might as well say every single jutsu in the manga is the same.

First of all that last part would be false.

Second what exactly is the difference between Naruto adding a element to the Rasengan from a normal one?Nothing.

 

[super yang]

You are wrong. The normal pure chakra rasengan is only shape manipulation, but some of his rasengan variants are not pure chakra jutsu, they are element chakra jutsu IE: magnet rasengan. So by adding an element to the rasengan he has added a new manipulation, element manipulation. The FRS even adds an addition shape manipulation to the rasengan, the shuriken. That shape surrounds the rasengan.

well I was already acknowledging that since the ''wind arc'' but even if I didn't- it is redundant still,
since the penultimate shape manipulation is identical to the nature manipulation counterpart.

since then, the ''rasenshuriken'' has done nothing but change ''color'' aside from new attack phrases & names

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

So are you saying that cellular destruction is the same thing as burning which is also the same thing as sealing/binding?

Different effect = different jutsu. A shot gun and a water gun are both guns, but I think we all know which one you'd rather be shot with.

It's more like same jutsu with different effects and damage output,a better analogy is trying to use different ammo for a gun.The gun itself stays the same despite using varied ammo types.

 

[chaos control]

You can't compare a bullet with the Rasengan,the rasengan itself stays the same since Naruto just adds something to it.Every single Rasengan type uses the regular version as a base.

Did you see any blue normal chakara in that lava one or the magnet one? I did not. Those are made from the element itself. They also have different effects accordingly.

It really shouldn't matter if the shape is the same. If someone intelligently analyzes a jutsu, then they are looking at effects, not petty stuff like shape.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

Lol that's like saying kamehameha is the same as big bang kamehameha. Same toilet, different shit kid....

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

First of all that last part would be false.

Second what exactly is the difference between Naruto adding a element to the Rasengan from a normal one?Nothing.

The Rasengan itself doesn't even has a chakra nature at its base, add the nature, whether it be wind, fire, water, earth, or lightning, and you get a completely different jutsu with different effects on it target. It's effects and appearance make it a different jutsu.

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Did you see any blue normal chakara in that lava one or the magnet one? I did not. Those are made from the element itself. They also have different effects accordingly.

It really shouldn't matter if the shape is the same. If someone intelligently analyzes a jutsu, then they are looking at effects, not petty stuff like shape.

It does matter in the topic regarding whether or not the Rasengan variants can be considered the same jutsu however.The Rasengan is used as a base for FRS,and all the other variations.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

The Rasengan itself doesn't even has a chakra nature at its base, add the nature, whether it be wind, fire, water, earth, or lightning, and you get a completely different jutsu with different effects on it target. It's effects and appearance make it a different jutsu.

Not really. Adding mustard to a hotdog is still a hotdog...sure go ahead and add ketchup too...relish....onions...etc. Still a hotdog...

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

Lol that's like saying kamehameha is the same as big bang kamehameha. Same toilet, different shit kid....

If it's derived from the original then that argument can be made.

 

[SasukeSaviourofUchiha]

If it's derived from the original then that argument can be made.

The big bang was fused but over all it was a kamehameha ray blast

 

[SusanooKyuubi]

Not really. Adding mustard to a hotdog is still a hotdog...sure go ahead and add ketchup too...relish....onions...etc. Still a hotdog...

When a jutsu is given a chakra nature it fundamentally changes the overall composition of it and how it work.

There an obviously difference in chakra composition from the rasengan:

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And a Rasengan variant:

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Both have a base, but the change in Nature radically alters the scope of their power and destruction.