Sasuke's Amaterasu, Kagetsuchi and Itachi's Amaterasu

[Johndoesknowall]

Some people believe that Itachi was the first to show "Flame Control"

Some even believe that what itachi did here:

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Is the exact same feat as what Sasuke did here:

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But the only similarity is that the flames were put out. The way they were put out are two totally different things.

The user of just Amaterasu from what we know has two forms of attacks from the users line of sight. They can fire it constantly, Like a flamethrower, or the can shoot/cast it, like a fire ball. But their are restrictions. When you shoot/cast amaterasu, you can no longer extinguish the flame because it is not connected to it's user anymore. You can only extinguish the flame when you fire it constantly, like a flamethrower, while maintaining control of it.

Example: is above when Itachi fired amaterasu until it burned away sasuke's fire jutsu then he stopped the flames by closing his eye. He used the amaterasu like a flamethrower until it burned away Sasuke's Jutsu. He still had control of the flame and therefore was able to stop it.

What Sasuke shows is the first account and only one to have Flame control. Sasuke is the only ninja to possess enton as we know of. Enton is used to manipulate the flames of amaterasu. Flame control is a form of Enton. Itachi does not have enton.

Here is the second account of enton Kagutsuchi:

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I didn't want to use Karin's because this one shows it better. As you see Sasuke was able to extinguish the black flames after having shot/cast it. Also he was able to extinguish them with his eyes open. As you can see enton allows it's user to reconnect, connect,and/or even stay connected to flames regardless of how amaterasu is used. Whether fired constantly or shot/cast. Also Sasuke is able to even cast flames to a location that is not in his line of sight.

Exaple:

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Now I know that this only proves more that Sasuke has Enton, but the point I'm getting across is that Itachi had no enton, or flame control or even blaze release. He simply had Amaterasu. He could only extinguish flames through shutting his eye if he still had control of the flame. Once he cast/shoots it, he no longer has control and therefore is not able to extinguish it.

Itachi and Sasuke put out the flames two different ways meaning that they were two different techniques. There's more but I'm getting tired. I hope this explains it well enough to those individuals.

 

[HENI]

Itachi closed his eyes to stop it, there was no technique

 

[Sound]

Amaterasu is Enton/Kagsutchi . Sasuke just has the ability to manipulate the black flames

 

[Kαmi]

Makes sense to me, I think it's strange that people assume Itachi has Enton because of that feat when I'm pretty sure Cee pointed out Sasuke controlling the black flames implied he was better at Amaterasu than Itachi was. I felt like that statement should have spoken for itself but it's not often I see people mix this up. I've only seen few people say it but this thread does a good job at distinguishing the two IMO so good thread.

 

[HENI]

Makes sense to me, I think it's strange that people assume Itachi has Enton because of that feat when I'm pretty sure Cee pointed out Sasuke controlling the black flames implied he was better at Amaterasu than Itachi was. I felt like that statement should have spoken for itself but it's not often I see people mix this up. I've only seen few people say it but this thread does a good job at distinguishing the two IMO so good thread.

I agree it's been stated numerous times in the manga

 

[Kαmi]

I agree it's been stated numerous times in the manga

I'm not sure I understand, what part of my post are you referring to that has been stated numerous times in the manga? Not trying to be rude, I'm just asking for clarification.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Makes sense to me, I think it's strange that people assume Itachi has Enton because of that feat when I'm pretty sure Cee pointed out Sasuke controlling the black flames implied he was better at Amaterasu than Itachi was. I felt like that statement should have spoken for itself but it's not often I see people mix this up. I've only seen few people say it but this thread does a good job at distinguishing the two IMO so good thread.

Thanks and I agree aswell.

 

[shelke]

It should be obvious, but I am glad someone decided to post an informative thread and put this whole thing to rest.

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[Sosaa]

A very informative read thank you

 

[Sugiyama]

I have to agree, it is said several times that only Sasuke has Enton.

 

[Troyg39]

That isn't why the flames were stopped.

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Zetsu explained they stop only when the target is gone. In your example, the target Itachi was aiming at wasn't Sasuke, it was the flames from Sasuke's fire style jutsu. Amaterasu stopped once it put out those flames.

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When the target was actually Sasuke, Itachi had to actually stop the flames itself. It wasn't just simply "closing his eyes", because you can see in the top right panel that the flames that missed and hit the forest were still burning. Which means Itachi specifically stopped the portion that hit Sasuke only, meaning he could control his Amaterasu to some extent.

Nice try, but looking at the ENTIRE chapter rather than a portion like you did, yes Itachi was the first to show us a form of control over Amaterasu. Sasuke was just way better at it due to his mastery over different forms of enton, which I explained to you and that other guy a while back has different forms and numerous examples of it. You made this thread to try and continue that dead argument. I thank you for directing me to this and appreciate the conversation, but it's time to let it go

 

[Lana Del Taka]

It was because of Karin he awakened enton/kagutsuchi. Dat love<3

 

[Johndoesknowall]

That isn't why the flames were stopped.

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Zetsu explained they stop only when the target is gone. In your example, the target Itachi was aiming at wasn't Sasuke, it was the flames from Sasuke's fire style jutsu. Amaterasu stopped once it put out those flames.

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When the target was actually Sasuke, Itachi had to actually stop the flames itself. It wasn't just simply "closing his eyes", because you can see in the top right panel that the flames that missed and hit the forest were still burning. Which means Itachi specifically stopped the portion that hit Sasuke only, meaning he could control his Amaterasu to some extent.

Nice try, but looking at the ENTIRE chapter rather than a portion like you did, yes Itachi was the first to show us a form of control over Amaterasu. Sasuke was just way better at it due to his mastery over different forms of enton, which I explained to you and that other guy a while back has different forms and numerous examples of it. You made this thread to try and continue that dead argument. I thank you for directing me to this and appreciate the conversation, but it's time to let it go

You honestly did not read my thread. I specifically stated the forms of attacks a user of Amaterasu can do. He can constantly fire it, like a flamethrower, in this case the user can stop amaterasu because he is still in control of the flame.

The second form is shooting/casting amaterasu, like a fireball, the user of amaterasu loses his control of the flame once he cast it and he can then no longer extinguish the flame.

Read my thread, then state an argument worth my time.

I have to agree, it is said several times that only Sasuke has Enton.

Thank you

It should be obvious, but I am glad someone decided to post an informative thread and put this whole thing to rest.

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Thanks for the rep

 

[Xāvî1]

This thread is boring

Isecond this

 

[Troyg39]

You honestly did not read my thread. I specifically stated the forms of attacks a user of Amaterasu can do. He can constantly fire it, like a flamethrower, in this case the user can stop amaterasu because he is still in control of the flame.

The second form is shooting/casting amaterasu, like a fireball, the user of amaterasu loses his control of the flame once he cast it and he can then no longer extinguish the flame.

Read my thread, then state an argument worth my time.

Kid, if what you say is correct, then the flames of the forest should've stopped along with the flames that hit Sasuke once Itachi closed his eyes. They were all shot out of the same Amaterasu or the "flamethrower" like you put it.

In addition to this, I provided a direct manga quote that explains why the flames went out the first time, so you have no argument. You are wrong. Let it go

 

[Johndoesknowall]

Kid, if what you say is correct, then the flames of the forest should've stopped along with the flames that hit Sasuke once Itachi closed his eyes. They were all shot out of the same Amaterasu or the "flamethrower" like you put it.

In addition to this, I provided a direct manga quote that explains why the flames went out the first time, so you have no argument. You are wrong. Let it go

The flames that Itachi first shot at Sasuke were cast/shot which means he was no longer connected to it. During the end he then started using his Amaterasu like a flamethrower which hit Sasuke and then he extinguished it because he then was in control.

I provided a direct manga page. Like I said, Give me an argument worth my time.

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[Troyg39]

The flames that Itachi first shot at Sasuke were cast/shot which means he was no longer connected to it. During the end he then started using his Amaterasu like a flamethrower which hit Sasuke and then he extinguished it because he then was in control.

I provided a direct manga page. Like I said, Give me an argument worth my time.

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At the bold: That same "flamethrower" like amaterasu was the same one that hit the forest! He was still connected to it because he didn't stop casting until he hit Sasuke, meaning if closing the eyes is what stopped it, the forest fire should be put out too, but it wasn't, because Itachi stopped the flames himself.

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Even looking at this page, Itachi's eyes are closed yet you can clearly see the flames aren't even out yet, again proving you incorrect. Itachi didn't stop the flames here. They didn't burn out completely until the target (Sasuke's flames) were completely burned out. They weren't burned out, so we still see Amaterasu flames.

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Here you see the flames on Sasuke are completley extinguished, and Zetsu actually says ITACHI PUT THEM OUT.

You have no evidence to back up your claims. I don't know if you're trolling, obsessed, or just plain ignorant, but either way you are wrong.

You can act as if you have a point all you want, but your arrogance only adds to this stupidity. Posting a manga page and misinterpreting it's content does not mean you have a point. Zetsu's words contradict yours. The events in the pages contradict your argument. Grow up man. Seriously. It's ok to be wrong.

I NEVER said Itachi had Enton. I simply stated that our first example of any form of flame control with Amaterasu was through him. You haven't done a thing to prove that incorrect.

 

[Johndoesknowall]

At the bold: That same "flamethrower" like amaterasu was the same one that hit the forest! He was still connected to it because he didn't stop casting until he hit Sasuke, meaning if closing the eyes is what stopped it, the forest fire should be put out too, but it wasn't, because Itachi stopped the flames himself.

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Even looking at this page, Itachi's eyes are closed yet you can clearly see the flames aren't even out yet, again proving you incorrect. Itachi didn't stop the flames here. They didn't burn out completely until the target (Sasuke's flames) were completely burned out. They weren't burned out, so we still see Amaterasu flames.

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Here you see the flames on Sasuke are completley extinguished, and Zetsu actually says ITACHI PUT THEM OUT.

You have no evidence to back up your claims. I don't know if you're trolling, obsessed, or just plain ignorant, but either way you are wrong.

You can act as if you have a point all you want, but your arrogance only adds to this stupidity. Posting a manga page and misinterpreting it's content does not mean you have a point. Zetsu's words contradict yours. The events in the pages contradict your argument. Grow up man. Seriously. It's ok to be wrong.

I NEVER said Itachi had Enton. I simply stated that our first example of any form of flame control with Amaterasu was through him. You haven't done a thing to prove that incorrect.

The flamethrower was never shown to actually hit the forest. As we know Amaterasu can spread so it is suggested that when Itachi started casting/shooting amaterasu it spread through the forest. When he started using amaterasu like a flamethrower it was seen to be chasing Sasuke and not going into the forest. You state his flamethrower hit the forest but you have no concrete proof. Also him shutting his eye was the reason for the flames stopping. You saying that it was because they burned away Sasuke's flames is wrong. All you have is suggestions and you seem to not be understanding what the manga is saying/showing you.

Also I never stated you said Itachi had enton. You stated that itachi was the first to show flame control. Flame control aka kagutsuchi is a form of enton Itachi did not have. I stated you were wrong and that Sasuke was the first to show flame control. Also you may try to reword you statements of the past comments but it's not working. You stated that flame control was first introduce by Itachi which is wrong. Also you stated that Sasuke and Itachi putting out the flames is the exact same feat which is also wrong.

 

[Cameron1]

What's the difference between a flamethrower and a fireball? In actual practice I mean. Isn't a flamethrower just the continuous expulsion of fireballs? Why would shooting fireballs at an increased rate give one more control over them, when one does not have control over any individual fire ball?

 

[Johndoesknowall]

What's the difference between a flamethrower and a fireball?

Well A flamethrower you have control of the flame because it is directly connected to the user, so you can make it stronger or put it out.

A fireball you shoot out and you lose control of it therefore, losing the ability to make it stronger and you won't be able to extinguish it. In amaterasu's case anyway.