Putting an end to the borrowed power argument.

[Torche]

Exactly my point.

of his own free will.

But we are getting nowhere and this thread is not even meant to involve the Bijuu, Doujutsu or arguments.

 

[cafe123]

oh naruto has to call on kurama to use his power? re read the manga and come back

Well it depends on Kurama whether he gets full access to his powers (advanced Bijuu modes) doesn't it? if I'm wrong about this then I'll admit to it, after all the manga's been spanning for a long time so it's possible I've forgotten some things. Also, when he fires his new Rasengan's he constantly asks Bijuu's for help.

of his own free will.

But we are getting nowhere and this thread is not even meant to involve the Bijuu, Doujutsu or arguments.

Well you started this topic so you should expect counter-arguments, not everyone will agree with you. And exactly, Kurama helps him of his own free will, he lends Naruto power but that doesn't mean it's Naruto's.. He still depends on Kurama's will to give him that power.

 

[Torche]

Well it depends on Kurama whether he gets full access to his powers (advanced Bijuu modes) doesn't it? if I'm wrong about this then I'll admit to it, after all the manga's been spanning for a long time so it's possible I've forgotten some things. Also, when he fires his new Rasengan's he constantly asks Bijuu's for help.



Well you started this topic so you should expect counter-arguments, not everyone will agree with you. And exactly, Kurama helps him of his own free will, he lends Naruto power but that doesn't mean it's Naruto's.. He still depends on Kurama's will to give him that power.

Yes, but he doesn't beg him for anything.

 

[frozen5]

Well it depends on Kurama whether he gets full access to his powers (advanced Bijuu modes) doesn't it? if I'm wrong about this then I'll admit to it, after all the manga's been spanning for a long time so it's possible I've forgotten some things. Also, when he fires his new Rasengan's he constantly asks Bijuu's for help.

he asks them politley because during their entire life span they were treated as mere weapons and by asking them and letting them give him power of their own free will its letting them know he is recodnising them as concious beings and not just tools

 

[cafe123]

So he has to ask them for power and hope they give it to him (literally borrowing it), I don't see how you can call that his own power then, for me it isn't.

 

[frozen5]

So he has to ask them for power and hope they give it to him (literally borrowing it), I don't see how you can call that his own power then, for me it isn't.

you missed the entire point...... he asks them for power to give them a feeling of belonging since they were outcasts their entire lives and no he doesnt need to ask them for chakra he can just beat the crap out of them then take it like what he did to kurama

 

[Michael]

Kaguya borrowed power from the holy fruit presuming it exists. Hagoromo and Hamura borrowed chakra from her when they were born. Everyone who Hagoromo spread Ninshuu to borrowed chakra from him. Thus everyone borrows chakra. So no faptards can complain about borrowing this, or that and I haven't included eyeballs or beasts in my statement.

Spoiler

Someone will have a ***** and deny this. I won't be waiting.

:bye:

LoL i just made a thread about this! Now i feel dumb after discovering yours.

 

[cafe123]

you missed the entire point...... he asks them for power to give them a feeling of belonging since they were outcasts their entire lives and no he doesnt need to ask them for chakra he can just beat the crap out of them then take it like what he did to kurama

True but then he'd only gain partial access to it wouldn't he?

 

[Torche]

LoL i just made a thread about this! Now i feel dumb after discovering yours.

XD It's cool. At least we can understand each other.

 

[Xāvî1]

I can assure you that you are not the first to bring this up. It's a pretty logical way of thinking and it sure does well to cover up all arguments of borrowed power since all chakra is borrowed in the first place. But this won't be ending any arguments, it'll only provoke them.

Its true borrowed power arguments are always brought up by sasuke fans against nagato or naruto threads. Cos it is their only known way to counter our logic.

 

[frozen5]

True but then he'd only gain partial access to it wouldn't he?

nope 100% access just not as long since they will draw a kilo for every 100 kilo of chakra he uses so yea he wont be in that mode for half the time but still as powerful

 

[cafe123]

nope 100% access just not as long since they will draw a kilo for every 100 kilo of chakra he uses so yea he wont be in that mode for half the time but still as powerful

Then why did Naruto not have access to full Kyuubi's power until Kurama agreed to help him? Forgot it now but in the case you are right then I'll admit I am wrong, the Bijuu powers are not borrowed.

 

[Sharingan King]

Then why did Naruto not have access to full Kyuubi's power until Kurama agreed to help him? Forgot it now but in the case you are right then I'll admit I am wrong, the Bijuu powers are not borrowed.

Nardo only has KCM without Kurama's consent. Anything higher than that he must beg or the bijuu must consent to giving him their full power. He would be limited in clones and chakra too. The borrowed power argument is quite valid. I can understand why Nardo fans would TRY (but obviously fail) to void this argument.

This thread explains it perfectly:

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