MangaFact# Naruto Can't FIght alone

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This entire thread was weak, the original poster attacked a character he didn't like for doing something that pretty much all ninja do.

Exactly! Just like the power of the internet is given to you. You earn it and call it yours by paying the money for it. So technically that power is yours to use now. So going by the OP's logic, should we all say that this internet is not our power since it was given to us to use? I mean we were not born with this power so why do we have it? In that case just give up your internet rights and give it back to who it belongs! Make your own internet then claim its yours! Stop using other's powers!
 

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Exactly! Just like the power of the internet is given to you. You earn it and call it yours by paying the money for it. So technically that power is yours to use now. So going by the OP's logic, should we all say that this internet is not our power since it was given to us to use? I mean we were not born with this power so why do we have it? In that case just give up your internet rights and give it back to who it belongs! Make your own internet then claim its yours! Stop using other's powers!

Bro save your energy explaining, he says he understand.
 

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Exactly! Just like the power of the internet is given to you. You earn it and call it yours by paying the money for it. So technically that power is yours to use now. So going by the OP's logic, should we all say that this internet is not our power since it was given to us to use? I mean we were not born with this power so why do we have it? In that case just give up your internet rights and give it back to who it belongs! Make your own internet then claim its yours! Stop using other's powers!

The internet can't be compared to a person. The internet refers to a set of interconnected computers for the purpose of information sharing.

In every fight Nardo is a 10vs1. Its not the same as having a sharingan etc. Eyes aren't people.
 

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Would i say naruto is weak.... no i wouldnt... would i say naruto needs a whole lot of help for him to be strong.... yes, yes I would.

People claim that oh what about sasuke..... without his eyes hes nothing..... that is a really petty argument that suggests that people who have potential inside of them and unlock that power that it is not their own power.

Like it or not the sharingan is the uchiha's own power. so people trying to compare a sharingan, byakugan or any kekkai genkai to naruto and all of his tail beats help is simply foolish. the tail beasts is an addition to his power. they have a power of their own which they lend to him. Power which is not his own. a Power that literally surpasses peoples chakra and not forgetting that since each beast is a ninth of the tentails which power is literally limitless.... yea.... thats a real fair comparison

Now people will still claim that uchiha are nothing without their eyes, are forgetting people who can go toe to toe with an uchiha even with their eyes. the first hokage being one of them, and he had no bijuu help. hey lets really compare it. madara with EMS and the nine tail fox still lost to the first hokage. proof that just because you have the sharingan doesnt make you naturally strong. if that was the case then the war with the senju vs uchiha would have resulted in all of the senju dying and all of the uchiha remaining alive but this has been shown as not the case. and other situations like how danzo got shusui uchiha's eye etc. Just because you unlock a natural part of your own power doesnt mean that you cant be beaten or that it is an unfair advantage.

SO if the bases of your argument is that naruto can only take on sasuke with help from the bijuu good luck because you are basically saying that naruto is weak. because if it takes a bijuu's help just so that he can fight toe to toe (or as some people say beat) sasuke then have fun.

This is not to say that sasuke hasnt gotten help either but lets face it, take sasukes EMS away and just give him MS and just give naruto sage mode nothing more nothing less since sage mode is his own power then talk to me. Even the sage compared him to ashura who NEEDED HELP TO ATTAIN SIMILAR POWER LIKE THAT OF HIS BROTHER, WHO DID IT ALL ALONE, the brother representing indra who reincarnated into sasuke)

Naruto wouldnt have been able to beat anyone (pre sage mode) without help. I think that is a fair analysis.

now let all of the nardo fan boys criticise me for an analysis of their star. :coffee:
 
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The internet can't be compared to a person. The internet refers to a set of interconnected computers for the purpose of information sharing.

In every fight Nardo is a 10vs1. Its not the same as having a sharingan etc. Eyes aren't people.

Well in exchange for his eyes he has a very intelligent mind. That doesn't require many to think for him. He thinks on his own. We all know Naruto was never a born genius. He is someone who needed to be guided as far as power is concerned. I see nothing wrong with him using the experience of the ten tailed beasts, when in the end he earned it by taming the most difficult one Kurama. I did a comparison with the internet, because in a way we do search for answers on the internet. Same way Naruto does in his fights. Only difference is he is provided the search a lot faster then us. So my question to you is do you agree or disagree on the fact that all of us need someone to gain power?
 

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Would i say naruto is weak.... no i wouldnt... would i say naruto needs a whole lot of help for him to be strong.... yes, yes I would.

People claim that oh what about sasuke..... without his eyes hes nothing..... that is a really petty argument that suggests that people who have potential inside of them and unlock that power that it is not there own power.

Like it or not the sharingan is the uchiha's own power. so people trying to compare a sharingan, byakugan or any kekkai genkai to naruto and all of his tail beats help is simply foolish. the tail beasts is an addition to his power. they have a power of their own which they lend to him. Power which is not his own. a Power that literally surpasses peoples chakra and not forgetting that since each beast is a ninth of the tentails which power is literally limitless.... yea.... thats a real fair comparison

Now people will still claim that uchiha are nothing without their eyes are forgetting people who can go toe to toe with an uchiha even with their eyes. the first hokage being one of them. and he had no bijuu help. hey lets really compare it. madara with EMS and the nine tail fox still lost to the first hokage. proof that just because you have the sharingan doesnt make you naturally strong. if that was the case then the war with the senju vs uchiha would have resulted in all of the senju dying and all of the uchiha remaining alive but this has been seen as not the case. and other stories like how danzo got shusui uchiha's eye etc. Just because you unlock a natural part of your own power doesnt mean that you cant be beaten or is an unfair advantage.

SO if the bases of your argument is that naruto can only take on sasuke with help from the bijuu good luck because you are basically saying that naruto is weak. because if it takes a bijuu's help just so that he can fight toe to toe (or as some people say beat) sasuke then have fun.

This is not to say that sasuke hasnt gotten help either but lets face it, take sasukes EMS away and just give him MS and just give naruto sage mode nothing more nothing less since sage mode is his own power then talk to me. Even the sage compared him to ashura who NEEDED HELP TO ATTAIN SIMILAR POWER LIKE THAT OF HIS BROTHER, WHO DID IT ALL ALONE, the brother representing indra who reincarnated into sasuke)

Naruto wouldnt have been able to beat anyone (pre sage mode) without help. I think that is a fair analysis.

now let all of the nardo fan boys criticise me for an analysis of their star. :coffee:

Buddy, I like the effort and all you put into your post but you should know that Naruto did not just get up one day and had 9 tails ib him. He had to sacrifice something to get it, that said if you take aways 9 tails why dont you give him his parents back.
 

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Buddy, I like the effort and all you put into your post but you should know that Naruto did not just get up one day and had 9 tails ib him. He had to sacrifice something to get it, that said if you take aways 9 tails why dont you give him his parents back.

What effort... its facts... and sure he can have his parents back as people see this as a reason to say that with them he would have been naturally strong but sadly its an assumption. nothing more or less. and to tame kurama i mean come on.. not like jiraya, killer B, Kushina and kurama hating madara a lot more than naruto had nothing to do with it.
 

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this is one of those wank threads that the OP tries to hide behind the bad talking of another character. what you fail to realize though is that having a bijuu does not mean you automatically get strong. you may get a huge chakra advantage, but that doesn't make you god tier. if that was the case, akatsuki wouldn't have ran through all the jin as easily as they seemed to have. for the most part it's only a bigger chakra pool, it's up to the user to actual skillfully use it. even with perfect jin it's up to the user to successfully combine the 2 chakras and add them to techniques. since this is a secret sasuke wank thread, sasuke would be blind right now if he didn't get his brothers eyes. not to mention he only has a sharingan because he got emotional and it unlocked it. if that doesn't sound like a gimme i don't know what does.

either way, the whole givin/borrowed power is a weak argument and is really getting tired quick. i guess this is a response to the fact that naruto is currently outclassing sasuke in every way shape or form.
 

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What effort... its facts... and sure he can have his parents back as people see this as a reason to say that with them he would have been naturally strong but sadly its an assumption. nothing more or less. and to tame kurama i mean come on.. not like jiraya, killer B, Kushina and kurama hating madara a lot more than naruto had nothing to do with it.

It is not an assumotion, Naruto on his own is strong willed and gutsy. If he had Minato and Kushina as a kid, they would pass down jutsus and other stuff onto him and he would be strong. Hell would have been way stronger than Sasuke when they were kids.
 

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It is not an assumotion, Naruto on his own is strong willed and gutsy. If he had Minato and Kushina as a kid, they would pass down jutsus and other stafs onto him and he would be strong. Hell would have been way stronger than kid Sasuke.

Exactly. Naruto would master the art of Sage Mode and inherit his father's Yellow Flash title.
 

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Noodles? The fodder always need Kurama. Now he has the entire animal crew to fight for him. Its his puss nature, can't be blamed.
 

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People gettin agitated after naruto was fckin kaguya up solo last chapter i see
 

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So what. That makes Naruto and the Ashura reincarnations powerful they build power through friendship and help with others. Every ninja gets power from outside sources.
 

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Still stronger than your fav
 

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its not that. pull all Bijuus out of naruto. (Logic doesn't aply).

and naruto goes 1v1 he loses because he has no skill.

Naruto relied on his own powers up to where he clashed with Sasuke after team 7 reunion and sensed Indra in Sasuke. He did go fox mode when he lost control over himself but overall relied on his own training and friends. You say Naruto have no skill without Kurama, who is now his friend, but lets looks at a few others as well.

Madara who could never beat Hashirama in a 1 on 1 so had to take his brothers eyes and go get Kurama just to fight Hashirama where he died and had to use Izanagi to come back alive.

Sasuke who needed to use Orochimaru's pill in part 1 which not only gave Sasuke CM lvl 2 but increased his base stats as well. Or at the fact that both Sakura and Tsunade, Tsunade being the world wide expert on medic, stated that Sasuke's growth was not normal and that Orochimaru more than likely used drugs or forbidden jutsus to improve Sasuke's growth. The Sasuke suppress Orochimaru inside himself which made Sasuke stronger and gave him healing abilities while he had Oro sealed in him. Sasuke needed Itachi to plan his dead so Sasuke could get MS then left him his eyes for EMS. Sasuke needed Kabuto to help heal him with Hashirama's cells and his medical ninjutsu. Currently using the Sage's power to have his Sharinnegan.

Kakashi needs to use Obito's eye to fight opponents such as Zabuza, Kisame, Itachi, Naruto and Sakura in bell test, Deidara, Tobi with team Kakashi and Team Kurenia with Yamato as leader, weakened Sasuke, white Zetsus in the war, Edo tenseis, and others I didn't mention.

Kisame needed Samehada which is a living weapon as it has a mind of it's own and can choose to go to someone else as it did with Bee. Kisame would use Samehada to absorb chakra from his enemies' and their jutsus and can even fuse with Samehada.

Danzo needed to take Shisui's sharingan plus those from Uchiha's who died in the massacre. He was Orochimaru's benefactor who used Orochimaru's experiments to infuse Hashirama's cells into his arm.

Kakuza needs to take the hearts of others to use other elements besides his earth one, he relies on other's hearts so that counts too.

Kabuto and Orochimaru, do I really need to explain this one? For those who need the explanation, both added others to themselves to try and define themselves. Kabuto's examples are how he added Orochimaru's, Karin's, Suigetsui's, Kimimaru's, and the sound 4's DNAs to himself. He got that concept from Orochimaru who have been adding things to himself for years, such as his snake abilities (you can see the experiments in Kabuto's flashbacks where Oro took him to his lab).

Obito uses the Hashirama's DNA from white Zetsu's to keep himself alive, not have his MS lose it's light/go blind, gain more stamina. He then takes Nagato's/Madara's Rinnegan to use as his own.

The entire Alliance needed Naruto's chakra cloak to fight the Juubi because they couldn't without.

I see you added Sasuke OT but he relied on others just the same so take him off, Madara is top tier alone but even he relied on others to gain more power. Only Hashirama, Tobirama, Hiruzen, Minato, A, Oonoki, Mei, Current Gaara, Gai, Lee, Neji, Itachi, Deidara, and a good amount of others really don't need to rely on others.

Naruto never had control over Kurama and doesn't now, Kurama freely chose to help Naruto who is his host because Naruto respects Bijuus and see them more than just weapons. Naruto didn't just get the power and automatically mastered it, he went into intense training with Bee for a good while then he entered the war to get "hands on experiences" as Bee called it. Naruto is a guy who learns by doing, this was said by Jiraiya, Kakashi and Naruto himself to Bee so all of the battles Naruto been on for like 2-3 days with little to no rest isn't really him getting the power easily.
 

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Naruto can't fight alone? Naruto's not skilled or powerful without the tail beast? What. Lets look at some facts.

When Naruto was young he did not have anybody training him outside the academy or giver him knowledge about his clan or jinchuriki. He didn't have a place designed to train him how to be a jinchuriki like Killer Bee. He didn't have a place he could go to, to learn about his clan and their power like Sasuke. So what did Naruto have when he was young. That rights he had the 9 tails beast seal inside him. Cool, the biggest problem with that was because of the way the 4th hokage designed the seal it made it harder for Naruto to control his chakra.

Yes, you read that right the 9 tails seal increases the difficulty of Naruto's control chakra. So Naruto can fight alone since he was fighting alone against that 99% of his life. The 9 tails wasn't help him because he was part of the problem and to remove that problem or obstacle the seal had to be removed. It's only 99% because when Madara broke the seal to extract the 9 tails from Naruto he removed that obstacle. Since it effects Naruto's chakra that means he was having to fight against it every single time he uses chakra regardless if he was in battle or training. D*mn thats alot, more than anybody else since nobody else had to deal with that. That makes Naruto feats look even more impressive now.

The question is how much. Since Kakashi stated the 9 tails chakra can increase Naruto chakra by 100x I believe it increased Naruto difficulty by 100x. That make sense because ever since the seal (obstacle) was removed Naruto's impressive performances have increased like shaping non-affinity elements at the highest level of shape manipulation.

OP, good job for showing everyone how impressive Naruto truly is.
 

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No disrespect, but the nerve..... He can and he has..... Who are you to say what he can do...? The intrepid attitude here..... Amazing.... Mind boggling that some here believe they are above Kishi.
 
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