[Discussion] Naruto has more ENERGY than Kaguya?

[Xāvî1]

Juubi > nine bijuus

 

[Cael]

Juubi > nine bijuus

Juubi Jin > Juubi

see what i am getting at?

 

[NeutralChaos]

ok first.
1.Kaguya was said to eat the fruit, she might be part of the 10 tails but it's most likely because she ate the fruit of the god tree. The fruit containing all the chakra.
2. the chakra kaguya uses does not belong to her, it belong to the god tree
3. sasuke power stop at his Mangekou sharingan, all power he has from there has come from someone else, itachi and the sage. He is best on the level of naruto who is sage mode.
4. Naruto and sasuke might be equals, but unless i see some stuff from sasuke, I am going to say naruto is above sasuke


5. Kaguya is not the god tree, so no. chakra does not belong to her, all chakra belong to that tree, maybe you need to re read again

Sorry, but I would like you to reevaluate your horrid logic. Zetsu stated clearly that Kaguya is a part of the ten-tails, making her it. That means that the chakra belongs to her, as she is a form of the beast. We are not talking about how shinobi gain techniques from people, as I obviously did not remove Naruto's power from Hagoromo. Sasuke is himself, and uses his own chakra. Naruto uses the chakra of nine other beings. Please refrain from dragging irrelevant information into here.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Naruto is being restricted by plot, Because he can potential have infinite chakra right now if he summons ma and pa and have them merge with him....

 

[Cael]

Sorry, but I would like you to reevaluate your horrid logic. Zetsu stated clearly that Kaguya is a part of the ten-tails, making her it. That means that the chakra belongs to her, as she is a form of the beast. We are not talking about how shinobi gain techniques from people, as I obviously did not remove Naruto's power from Hagoromo. Sasuke is himself, and uses his own chakra. Naruto uses the chakra of nine other beings. Please refrain from dragging irrelevant information into here.

do you know what the word part means ?
Part meaning that the 10 tails also have something beside kaguya, and what is that something? its the god tree?
you totally forgetting about the source of all chakra ? the tree that produce the fruit ? why are you ignoring this important fact.

shinobi gained technique from people ? what are you saying, I don't even remember saying anything about this. shinobi's didn't even gain technique from people, they got it from the sage of the six path ninshuu chakra

sasuke use itachi's eyes and the power of hagoromo? so how is that himself ?

my horrid logic ? all I am doing is stating manga Fact. there are pages saying what I am saying now. As i said before go re read the war arc

 

[NeutralChaos]

do you know what the word part means ?
Part meaning that the 10 tails also have something beside kaguya, and what is that something? its the god tree?
you totally forgetting about the source of all chakra ? the tree that produce the fruit ? why are you ignoring this important fact.

shinobi gained technique from people ? what are you saying, I don't even remember saying anything about this. shinobi's didn't even gain technique from people, they got it from the sage of the six path ninshuu chakra

sasuke use itachi's eyes and the power of hagoromo? so how is that himself ?

my horrid logic ? all I am doing is stating manga Fact. there are pages saying what I am saying now. As i said before go re read the war arc

Ah, I see you've gone full retard. I'd advise against that. My arm is a part of me. My arm produces the same blood as me. If my arm were to gain it's own conscious, then my blood, is also it's blood. The tree is both the ten-tails and Kaguya, so what's the tree's is also Kaguya's. You said Sasuke gained techniques from Itachi. I therefore said thatI was ignoring the fact that shinobi gain techniques from others, such as teachers(here is where you started to enter retard level 3). Ninshuu has nothing to do with what I said. Naruto's rasengan comes from Jairaya, so it isn't Naruto's own power I suppose? Sasuke uses his own chakra. While Hagoromo did give him a boost, over time, the chakra will disappear. Sasuke is himself. No one helps him when he fights. Naruto uses nine other beings to help him. Do you see where I'm going? I am not talking about techniques(the EMS), I am talking about chakra and intel. I don't see Itachi and Hagoromo sitting inside Sasuke telling him stuff and giving him chakra.

 

[Avani]

In recent chapters it seems that Kaguya has a chakra/energy limit as stated by Black Zetsu:

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While Naruto has his own constant supply thanks to being the host of the bijuu, which Kurama has shown to be able to gather Nature Energy:

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In short Naruto has more energy gathering options, mainly nature energy. Even after multiple rasengan variants and hundreds of shadow clones he has yet to show fatigue.

Kaguya seems to be taking her energy by force rather than receiving it through some sort of meditation or natural means. I almost think she has become so obsessed with her goal that she is going against it (changing landscapes to fit her means, sub doing every living creature and taking their energy/life without their consent). I'm beginning to think much like Madara, Kaguya is over confident with how much power she has, but again you could call "plot".

...... It's not like Naruto has more of it.

Kaguya is constantly moving though various dimensions and BZ said it takes too much chakra. She doesn't really dodge attacks or sustains them using skills but simply gets out of the way using portals. That's how she is wasting it.. she had so much of it that she never learned budgeting.

 

[Cael]

Ah, I see you've gone full retard. I'd advise against that. My arm is a part of me. My arm produces the same blood as me. If my arm were to gain it's own conscious, then my blood, is also it's blood. The tree is both the ten-tails and Kaguya, so what's the tree's is also Kaguya's. You said Sasuke gained techniques from Itachi. I therefore said thatI was ignoring the fact that shinobi gain techniques from others, such as teachers(here is where you started to enter retard level 3). Ninshuu has nothing to do with what I said. Naruto's rasengan comes from Jairaya, so it isn't Naruto's own power I suppose? Sasuke uses his own chakra. While Hagoromo did give him a boost, over time, the chakra will disappear. Sasuke is himself. No one helps him when he fights. Naruto uses nine other beings to help him. Do you see where I'm going? I am not talking about techniques(the EMS), I am talking about chakra and intel.

I see you gone retarded also? DId the god tree gave birth to kaguya ? no, both of them are two different beings. stop putting them together as if they are one.

Have you missed the part where the manga said that kaguya ate the fruit of the tree? they said that like so many times. don't be stupid.

I was unaware that Itachi's eyes was a technique. LMAO smh.

"Sasuke is himself. No one helps him when he fights." Oh I wonder what team taka is then. I didn't know it was sasuke vs kabuto,what happened to itachi ? oh did obito got defeated by sasuke also what happened to naruto ?

Is naruto being controlled by the 9 beast ? all the beast are doing atm is providing chakra to naruto, no different than sasuke who gains his power from others as well.

 

[NeutralChaos]

I see you gone retarded also? DId the god tree gave birth to kaguya ? no, both of them are two different beings. stop putting them together as if they are one.

Have you missed the part where the manga said that kaguya ate the fruit of the tree? they said that like so many times. don't be stupid.

I was unaware that Itachi's eyes was a technique. LMAO smh.

"Sasuke is himself. No one helps him when he fights." Oh I wonder what team taka is then. I didn't know it was sasuke vs kabuto,what happened to itachi ? oh did obito got defeated by sasuke also what happened to naruto ?

Is naruto being controlled by the 9 beast ? all the beast are doing atm is providing chakra to naruto, no different than sasuke who gains his power from others as well.

You're taking this largely out of context. Who's to say that the tree did not create Kaguya? Sure she ate the fruit, but who's to also say the fruit did not turn her into a part of tree itself, making her, it? Of course Sasuke has teammates, so if you want me to be completely literate here, then let's proceed. Sasuke is one person, yes? Sasuke only has his and Hagoromo's chakra, yes? Hagoromo's chakra will deplete soon, leaving just Sasuke's chakra, yes? Where does Sasuke get his chakra from in battles? Himself, yes? Now onto Naruto. Naruto is one person. Naruto has 9 beasts chakra and consciousness helping him fight, along with Hagoromo's chakra, which will deplete soon.

Now onto the matter of the EMS. Sasuke does have Itachi's eyes, I know this, but it doesn't matter? Why doesn't it matter? Because for the second time, I am talking about consciousness and chakra. The eye does not give Sasuke chakra, the brain itself upgrades the eyes and give's it chakra. Sasuke, in a one on one, does not have anyone helping him, right? Naruto in a "one" on one, has nine other beings that can give him advice and chakra. I believe you should walk away from an argument you cannot possibly win.

 

[Seventh Sama]

You're taking this largely out of context. Who's to say that the tree did not create Kaguya? Sure she ate the fruit, but who's to also say the fruit did not turn her into a part of tree itself, making her, it? Of course Sasuke has teammates, so if you want me to be completely literate here, then let's proceed. Sasuke is one person, yes? Sasuke only has his and Hagoromo's chakra, yes? Hagoromo's chakra will deplete soon, leaving just Sasuke's chakra, yes? Where does Sasuke get his chakra from in battles? Himself, yes? Now onto Naruto. Naruto is one person. Naruto has 9 beasts chakra and consciousness helping him fight, along with Hagoromo's chakra, which will deplete soon.

Now onto the matter of the EMS. Sasuke does have Itachi's eyes, I know this, but it doesn't matter? Why doesn't it matter? Because for the second time, I am talking about consciousness and chakra. The eye does not give Sasuke chakra, the brain itself upgrades the eyes and give's it chakra. Sasuke, in a one on one, does not have anyone helping him, right? Naruto in a "one" on one, has nine other beings that can give him advice and chakra. I believe you should walk away from an argument you cannot possibly win.

I see you gone retarded also? DId the god tree gave birth to kaguya ? no, both of them are two different beings. stop putting them together as if they are one.

Have you missed the part where the manga said that kaguya ate the fruit of the tree? they said that like so many times. don't be stupid.

I was unaware that Itachi's eyes was a technique. LMAO smh.

"Sasuke is himself. No one helps him when he fights." Oh I wonder what team taka is then. I didn't know it was sasuke vs kabuto,what happened to itachi ? oh did obito got defeated by sasuke also what happened to naruto ?

Is naruto being controlled by the 9 beast ? all the beast are doing atm is providing chakra to naruto, no different than sasuke who gains his power from others as well.

Guys,Guys. what if the fruit never existed? We all know that BZ modified the tablet, So he could've possibly made up the shinju story or kaguya lied to hagoromo about eating the fruit from the shinju, I mean hagoromo himself thought the juubi was the incarnation of the shinju but later chapters confirmed it was kaguya herself that took the said form to reclaim the chakra.

Anyways don't you find it a bit suspicious that anyone can eat this supposed "god fruit" and gain an all-mighty power? It has to be bogus.

 

[NeutralChaos]

Guys,Guys. what if the fruit never existed? We all know that BZ modified the tablet, So he could've possibly made up the shinju story or kaguya lied to hagoromo about eating the fruit from the shinju, I mean hagoromo himself thought the juubi was the incarnation of the shinju but later chapters confirmed it was kaguya herself that took the said form to reclaim the chakra.

Anyways don't you find it a bit suspicious that anyone can eat this supposed "god fruit" and gain an all-mighty power? It has to be bogus.

Not too much. A fruit that stores all the chakra in it is believable.

 

[Cael]

You're taking this largely out of context. Who's to say that the tree did not create Kaguya? Sure she ate the fruit, but who's to also say the fruit did not turn her into a part of tree itself, making her, it? Of course Sasuke has teammates, so if you want me to be completely literate here, then let's proceed. Sasuke is one person, yes? Sasuke only has his and Hagoromo's chakra, yes? Hagoromo's chakra will deplete soon, leaving just Sasuke's chakra, yes? Where does Sasuke get his chakra from in battles? Himself, yes? Now onto Naruto. Naruto is one person. Naruto has 9 beasts chakra and consciousness helping him fight, along with Hagoromo's chakra, which will deplete soon.


Now onto the matter of the EMS. Sasuke does have Itachi's eyes, I know this, but it doesn't matter? Why doesn't it matter? Because for the second time, I am talking about consciousness and chakra. The eye does not give Sasuke chakra, the brain itself upgrades the eyes and give's it chakra. Sasuke, in a one on one, does not have anyone helping him, right? Naruto in a "one" on one, has nine other beings that can give him advice and chakra. I believe you should walk away from an argument you cannot possibly win.

1. I am not discussing kaguya origins with you? why? Because the manga does not state where kaguya is from, I don't do opinion arguments with anyone on here because its tired some and frustrating.

2.sasuke has the rinnegan,he get his powers from that, you don't know how the sage power given to them works, so don't assume stuff.

3. again you don't know how sasuke power works, you don't know how the eyes were implanted into sasuke, so you just guessing. I don't argue with people who guesses.

 

[NeutralChaos]

1. I am not discussing kaguya origins with you? why? Because the manga does not state where kaguya is from, I don't do opinion arguments with anyone on here because its tired some and frustrating.

2.sasuke has the rinnegan,he get his powers from that, you don't know how the sage power given to them works, so don't assume stuff.

3. again you don't know how sasuke power works, you don't know how the eyes were implanted into sasuke, so you just guessing. I don't argue with people who guesses.

Actually, it was stated by Tobirama that the eye's power comes from the brain when it reaches a level of achievement(mostly emotional). The brain spouts chakra to the eyes and they upgrade. This is a fact.

 

[Mr Hiru]

In recent chapters it seems that Kaguya has a chakra/energy limit as stated by Black Zetsu:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

While Naruto has his own constant supply thanks to being the host of the bijuu, which Kurama has shown to be able to gather Nature Energy:

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

In short Naruto has more energy gathering options, mainly nature energy. Even after multiple rasengan variants and hundreds of shadow clones he has yet to show fatigue.

Kaguya seems to be taking her energy by force rather than receiving it through some sort of meditation or natural means. I almost think she has become so obsessed with her goal that she is going against it (changing landscapes to fit her means, sub doing every living creature and taking their energy/life without their consent). I'm beginning to think much like Madara, Kaguya is over confident with how much power she has, but again you could call "plot".

I would not call this plot. I think this is logical.

Naruto has the path of cooperation, supporting, that's why he can go on with his path. And also Naruto now holds power, when he is with Sasuke.

In the other way, Kaguya is alike with Indra, she only has power. But power is limited if not supported.

 

[Cael]

Actually, it was stated by Tobirama that the eye's power comes from the brain when it reaches a level of achievement(mostly emotional). The brain spouts chakra to the eyes and they upgrade. This is a fact.

that's the power of the regular sharingan, not the transplant of itachi eyes, itachi eyeballs were used, you can't argue that. because ti was taken from its corpse. you don't know how the transplant occurs, so you can't really say anything about it

 

[Cael]

Guys,Guys. what if the fruit never existed? We all know that BZ modified the tablet, So he could've possibly made up the shinju story or kaguya lied to hagoromo about eating the fruit from the shinju, I mean hagoromo himself thought the juubi was the incarnation of the shinju but later chapters confirmed it was kaguya herself that took the said form to reclaim the chakra.

Anyways don't you find it a bit suspicious that anyone can eat this supposed "god fruit" and gain an all-mighty power? It has to be bogus.

"what ifs" are nice but I only go by manga facts and what I see, Until it says otherwise

 

[NeutralChaos]

that's the power of the regular sharingan, not the transplant of itachi eyes, itachi eyeballs were used, you can't argue that. because ti was taken from its corpse. you don't know how the transplant occurs, so you can't really say anything about it

Well I'm glad we solved that Naruto truly does use other beings chakra and advice to win.

 

[The Work]

I mean Kaguya is probably running lower since she's dimension jumping everywhere since Zetsu claimed it takes tremendous amount of chakra. She dimension jumped like 10 times lol.

Naruto probably has more than her right now.

 

[Cael]

Well I'm glad we solved that Naruto truly does use other beings chakra and advice to win.

I never said he didn't, as long you accept that both madara and kaguya are using chakra that don't belong to them idc.

 

[NeutralChaos]

I never said he didn't, as long you accept that both madara and kaguya are using chakra that don't belong to them idc.

Madara, yes. Kaguya, no.