[VS] Mei VS Old Hiruzen

[Kamui Sama]

Since when has hidden mist been dispersed by Katon? I don' think it works that way in NV..

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when has hidden mist been dispersed by Katon? I don' think it works that way in NV..

Mist is water. When you heat water up, it evaporates. Nothing in the manga states that all science is excluded from the it's logic. Why would we assume that is for this case?

So what happens to the vessel's chakra?

The vessel is dead, so their chakra goes with them. No reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Icelerate]

Who is the strongest character Mei can beat under these conditions? I say Muu.

 

[Kamui Sama]

I find it hard to believe that no one in Kakashi's battalion had fire release to counter Zabuza's hidden mist, that would have made fighting them a lot more simpler than the elaborate plan that he set up but ok Lol

 

[super yang]

I find it hard to believe that no one in Kakashi's battalion had fire release to counter Zabuza's hidden mist, that would have made fighting them a lot more simpler than the elaborate plan that he set up but ok Lol

I find it hard to believe that U really don't understand the concept of ''a narrative''.

 

[Nattana]

The vessel is dead, so their chakra goes with them. No reason to believe otherwise.

Chakra goes with one's soul to the pure world. But Zetsu clones don't have souls, do they?...

 

[KidGamer65]

Chakra goes with one's soul to the pure world. But Zetsu clones don't have souls, do they?...

Even if this was true, it doesn't matter. Dead things don't have chakra. Same goes for Zetsu. A dead zetsu isn't going to have chakra.

 

[Nattana]

Even if this was true, it doesn't matter. Dead things don't have chakra. Same goes for Zetsu. A dead zetsu isn't going to have chakra.

Well, it's obvious. Even Kabuto said he needed Anko alive to gather Oro's chakra. And even though we don't know enough about Zetsu, let's say I could agree with you on this one. Although correlation between life force, soul, chakra and implanted DNA is still pretty unclear to me.

In the end, we're back to me saying that Edo Hiruzen being able to execute what he did is an asspull and you saying the opposite

 

[KidGamer65]

Well, it's obvious. Even Kabuto said he needed Anko alive to gather Oro's chakra. And even though we don't know enough about Zetsu, let's say I could agree with you on this one. Although correlation between life force, soul, chakra and implanted DNA is still pretty unclear to me.

In the end, we're back to me saying that Edo Hiruzen being able to execute what he did is an asspull and you saying the opposite

And I still don't know why you are saying it is...but either way. Its still valid and that's my main point.

 

[Icelerate]

Why can't you guys overlook Hiruzen's part one feats and apply power scaling just like how Kakashi, Tsunade, Tobirama, Orochimaru, Hashirama and Tobirama got power scaled upwards in just about everything including chakra reserves. Why would Hiruzen be different?

Anyway at the very least, Hiruzen can use five elemental jutsus before running out of chakra considering shadow clone splits the chakra, even as an edo, and then each clone had the chakra to use a jutsu. Sure alive Hiruzen wouldn't do this because it would unnecessarily drain his chakra but in a prolonged fight, he has the chakra to use at least five elementals before running low.

 

[DMT]

Who is the strongest character Mei can beat under these conditions? I say Muu.

r u high ...

 

[Icelerate]

r u high ...

Want me to make the thread with the except same conditions? Or you can do it yourself if you want.

 

[KidGamer65]

Who is the strongest character Mei can beat under these conditions? I say Muu.

I doubt she can beat Mu under these conditions. She needs to fill the whole area up since he can fly all around the area, and she won't be able to avoid Jinton once its fired, not to mention the beam can be moved around by the user, just how Onoki did it when he destroyed Flower Tree World.

I'd say the strongest she can beat is Orochimaru. Possibly.

 

[Nattana]

I doubt she can beat Mu under these conditions. She needs to fill the whole area up since he can fly all around the area, and she won't be able to avoid Jinton once its fired, not to mention the beam can be moved around by the user, just how Onoki did it when he destroyed Flower Tree World.

I'd say the strongest she can beat is Orochimaru. Possibly.

I'm 100% sure you're doing it on purpose... :d

 

[Icelerate]

I doubt she can beat Mu under these conditions. She needs to fill the whole area up since he can fly all around the area, and she won't be able to avoid Jinton once its fired, not to mention the beam can be moved around by the user, just how Onoki did it when he destroyed Flower Tree World.

I'd say the strongest she can beat is Orochimaru. Possibly.

I doubt she can beat Orochimaru, Oro can sense Mei through various means and in his hydra mode, he is large enough not to get killed by acid mist before he kills her. Mei can't avoid such a colossal creature within the barrier as that limits her movements.

Muu can fly but the barrier prevents him from flying out of range. He's prone to getting targeted before jinton is prepped.

 

[DMT]

Want me to make the thread with the except same conditions? Or you can do it yourself if you want.

She can't detect him , jinton one-shot
even if she killed him , Mū can split .

no need to explain more

 

[Icelerate]

She can't detect him , jinton one-shot her
even if she killed him , Mū can split .

no need to explain more

She doesn't need to, the AoE of the acid mist means she can deal damage without having a visual target on her opponent. Mu splits, drains his chakra in half and can't use jinton and Mei continues doing her thing.

 

[DMT]

She doesn't need to, the AoE of the acid mist means she can deal damage without having a visual target on her opponent. Mu splits, drains his chakra in half and can't use jinton and Mei continues doing her thing.

She need to reach him when he fly , Mū can attack her from a distance
even if he split he can stay invisible until Mei run of chakra

 

[Icelerate]

She need to reach him when he fly , Mū can attack her from a distance
even if he split he can stay invisible until Mei run of chakra

he can't fly too high because of the barrier which means Mei can still target him with a water dragon to intercept jinton.

No Mei will fill up the barrier with acid mist so she won't run out of chakra before she can melt Mu and being invisible won't help him launch a surprise attack considering acid mist surrounds her.

 

[Kamui Sama]

I find it hard to believe that U really don't understand the concept of ''a narrative''.

What exactly are you trying to say lol