[VS] Hashirama Vs Obito w/ paths (special condition)

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Even without the paths, Obito wrecks him.

 

[Demonic.]

He compared Obito to Madara because of the ability he possessed.

He said that the only one who do walk through security, kill the thirds guard, extract the beast, and control it is Madara.

So yes, powerwise...



Madara's intent wasn't to kill, never stated he can do a better job...

But, MS Tobi is equal to Alive Blind Madara.....So yes.

Obito fought in the war for a day plus, he has Hashirama's cells so he has healing too.

Hashirama isn't healing from a hand being drive into his chest.

Rikudou Madara didn't so what makes you think Madara will?

He can absorb him too if I might add...


Madara told the kages that he saw it, on top of that he wasn't fighting to kill.

You have to remember that...



Ya, then what did Madara say in response?

Madara lied, he told the kages that he saw it anyway.

Hashirama can't even touch Obito let alone kill him.

Seriously what can Hashirama do?

Obito took a raikiri to the heart, survived rinne tensei, and healed from a kcm rasengan to the arm.

Obito can shove his hand in his chest and start absorbing his chakra while intangible.

You're right, Obito is not on Hashirama's level...

He's way higher, he is on Blind Alive Madara's level.

He can summon Gedo mazou to dragon rip his soul (like he did when extracting the eight tails).

Six path Justus and yin yang technique too beat him too (chapter 606 page 15-16)

No, it wasn't power wise you're taking the statements out of context. Itachi thought Obito was Madara because he slipped through the village undetected. Kakashi thought Tobi was Madara because "the only rogue Uchiha capable of controlling the 9 tails is Madara." Minato thought Tobi was Madara because he slipped through the village, knew the seal would be weak when Kushina was giving birth, and could control the 9 tails. And with good reason too, Madara trained him to take over as "Madara" after all so of course they would think Tobi was Madara. It wasn't strength wise. Minato had no idea how powerful Madara truly was. Obito had to constantly tell the lie, "my battle with Hashirama was too severe, currently I have little power." To make up for how weak he was compared to Madara.

Both the times Madara was struck through the chest, he wasn't on his guard. You're using this as an argument? Why would he be worried about Black Zetsu the will he thought was his? He turned his back to him. With Obito same thing, Obito was walking toward him to give Madara the 9 tails to his knowledge. Again he wasn't on guard. Madara even called Obito weak after that. Hashirama will in no way let his guard down this way.

Alive Hashirama is confirmed to be stronger than Edo Hashirama. Saying Madara's intent wasn't to kill is ridiculous. Madara praised Hashirama several times saying he was stronger than him. Madara was indeed trying to kill Hashirama. Ignorant people say Madara just wanted Hashirama's DNA... Which he could've got easy if he had killed Hashirama and he wouldn't have had to lose his eye, MS ability, and Perfect Susano.

Obito isn't using his Kamui when Hashirama has his wood clones. Obito won't even know which is the real one. Madara made 25 wood clones. Alive Hashi and Madara > Edo Tensei. Hashirama switches the terrain into a Forrest easily. Hashirama uses World of Flowering Trees that owned the 5 Hokage. If it weren't for Onoki through determination alone that used Dust Release to level the trees they would've been screwed. Obito won't level the entire Forrest like Onoki did.

 

[VongolaX]

No, it wasn't power wise you're taking the statements out of context. Itachi thought Obito was Madara because he slipped through the village undetected. Kakashi thought Tobi was Madara because "the only rogue Uchiha capable of controlling the 9 tails is Madara." Minato thought Tobi was Madara because he slipped through the village, knew the seal would be weak when Kushina was giving birth, and could control the 9 tails. And with good reason too, Madara trained him to take over as "Madara" after all so of course they would think Tobi was Madara. It wasn't strength wise. Minato had no idea how powerful Madara truly was. Obito had to constantly tell the lie, "my battle with Hashirama was too severe, currently I have little power." To make up for how weak he was compared to Madara.

Okay, that's your opinion...

They all have a reason why they believe Tobi is Madara.

His feat..only Madara has the power to do something of that level.

When Obito told Nagato and friends that he was Madara, the didn't believe him and called him a criminal.

Showing his level of power, people believed he was that powerful.

Both the times Madara was struck through the chest, he wasn't on his guard. You're using this as an argument? Why would he be worried about Black Zetsu the will he thought was his? He turned his back to him. With Obito same thing, Obito was walking toward him to give Madara the 9 tails to his knowledge. Again he wasn't on guard. Madara even called Obito weak after that. Hashirama will in no way let his guard down this way.

Black zetsu used Obito's power...

Obito has can teleport and catch Hashirama off guard.

That's the point, if Rikudou Madara couldn't evade in that condition neither will Hashirama (especially).

Alive Hashirama is confirmed to be stronger than Edo Hashirama. Saying Madara's intent wasn't to kill is ridiculous. Madara praised Hashirama several times saying he was stronger than him. Madara was indeed trying to kill Hashirama. Ignorant people say Madara just wanted Hashirama's DNA... Which he could've got easy if he had killed Hashirama and he wouldn't have had to lose his eye, MS ability, and Perfect Susano.

When was this confirm?.....scan now

Didn't know that Madara's words are ignorant, especially when he clearly did it in the manga.

Otherwise the rinnegan would seize to exist.

You're being biased

Obito isn't using his Kamui when Hashirama has his wood clones. Obito won't even know which is the real one. Madara made 25 wood clones. Alive Hashi and Madara > Edo Tensei. Hashirama switches the terrain into a Forrest easily. Hashirama uses World of Flowering Trees that owned the 5 Hokage. If it weren't for Onoki through determination alone that used Dust Release to level the trees they would've been screwed. Obito won't level the entire Forrest like Onoki did.

Edo Madara is a special Edo tensei with unlimited chakra.

Don't compare that to Hashirama at all, considering that he's alive.

Kcm naruto used clones, see how that worked out for him?

Do you know what the perfect counter for those techniques are?

Juubi Size Banufuu Ranbuku

It clears the Plainfield, Madara didn't use his juubi size Katon to get rid of most of it.

So the clones will begone....

Tree world pollen..Burned to a crisp

All Obito needs to do is use mole technique/slip underground to avoid a massive rush of mokuton

Even sm naruto's clones beat the emergency forest with rasengan a.

Obito's Katon will turn it into a massive coal land...

Nothing's stopping Obito to teleport to where ever Hashirama is I. The beginning of the match.

Obito's speed>>>hashirama

 

[Demonic.]

Okay, that's your opinion...

They all have a reason why they believe Tobi is Madara.

His feat..only Madara has the power to do something of that level.

When Obito told Nagato and friends that he was Madara, the didn't believe him and called him a criminal.

Showing his level of power, people believed he was that powerful.



Black zetsu used Obito's power...

Obito has can teleport and catch Hashirama off guard.

That's the point, if Rikudou Madara couldn't evade in that condition neither will Hashirama (especially).



When was this confirm?.....scan now

Didn't know that Madara's words are ignorant, especially when he clearly did it in the manga.

Otherwise the rinnegan would seize to exist.

You're being biased



Edo Madara is a special Edo tensei with unlimited chakra.

Don't compare that to Hashirama at all, considering that he's alive.

Kcm naruto used clones, see how that worked out for him?

Do you know what the perfect counter for those techniques are?

Juubi Size Banufuu Ranbuku

It clears the Plainfield, Madara didn't use his juubi size Katon to get rid of most of it.

So the clones will begone....

Tree world pollen..Burned to a crisp

All Obito needs to do is use mole technique/slip underground to avoid a massive rush of mokuton

Even sm naruto's clones beat the emergency forest with rasengan a.

Obito's Katon will turn it into a massive coal land...

Nothing's stopping Obito to teleport to where ever Hashirama is I. The beginning of the match.

Obito's speed>>>hashirama

Any user with MS can tame the 9 tails. Itachi told Sasuke to read the lithographs in the shrine and Sasuke confirmed this. "blindness... So that's the price of getting the power to control the 9 tails." No one else will have intel on this but an Uchiha who read the lithographs (only sharingan can interpret the lithographs). Of course, without intel on this Minato would think only Madara could control the 9 tails. Jiraiya conversation with the toad that held the 9 tails key? Remember when Jiraiya released him to go fight Pain? Jiraiya said he suspected someone unleashed the 9 tails 16 years ago. The frog laughed saying there's no one that can summon the likes of the 9 tails. Jiraiya said that's the thing there was one person...Madara Uchiha. The frog laughs and says Madara is long dead. Do you see how anyone would think Tobi was Madara, not knowing anyone with MS could control the 9 tails? It in no way meant Madara = Obito.


Edos being weaker than their alive counterparts has been confirmed several times. The first time was when Orochimaru revived the 4 Hokage. Tobirama wants to leave to go join the war. Orochimaru says he's not letting them go unless Sasuke gets answers. Tobirama starts walking saying, "this time we've been brought back at almost full power, so you can't stop us." And since you're using Madara's words so much you should also remember when Madara said, "Hashirama could heal his wounds without weaving a single sign. He was the ultimate shinobi." Despite the fact, he knew about Obito and his Kamui already.

I already told you Alive Hashirama is confirmed to be even stronger than Edo. Saying Edo Madara doesn't compare to alive Hashirama simply because Madara is edo is flawed logic.

As for Obito sneaking up on Hashirama. You are aware Hashirama can enter Sage Mode almost instantly, right? Meaning Hashirama can easily sense Obito. I do remember Naruto's shadow clone in Kamui dimension delivering a Rasengan to Obito's face. And Obito sending Kakashi to the Kamui dimension also backfired. Hashirama's wood clones makes Obito think twice about using Kamui on Hashirama. You are hyping Obito too much.

 

[ARGUS]

hashirama still wins this

--he uses SS and huge mokuton construts such as mokuryu and mokujin (that are ampled with SM), to pretty much one-shot alll of Obitos back up here, as they simply dont stand a chance against DC of such magnitude,

--obitos kamui based moveset is disrupted by mokuton KB along with SM reflexes that enables hashi too react to something as fast as FTG means that Kamui lol warp is not happpening and hashi can attack him effectively once obito solidifies

--once the paths arre gone, hashirama can use his Mokuton KB, bringer of darkness and Flower Tree World to finish obito off

 

[Haizaki]

Hashirama wins

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito wrecks. This is the Akatsuki in edo forms. Deidara could spam c0. Nagato spam ct Itachi could spam all Amaterasu Susanoo Totsuke Etc. Hashirama has no chance.

 

[VongolaX]

Any user with MS can tame the 9 tails. Itachi told Sasuke to read the lithographs in the shrine and Sasuke confirmed this. "blindness... So that's the price of getting the power to control the 9 tails." No one else will have intel on this but an Uchiha who read the lithographs (only sharingan can interpret the lithographs). Of course, without intel on this Minato would think only Madara could control the 9 tails. Jiraiya conversation with the toad that held the 9 tails key? Remember when Jiraiya released him to go fight Pain? Jiraiya said he suspected someone unleashed the 9 tails 16 years ago. The frog laughed saying there's no one that can summon the likes of the 9 tails. Jiraiya said that's the thing there was one person...Madara Uchiha. The frog laughs and says Madara is long dead. Do you see how anyone would think Tobi was Madara, not knowing anyone with MS could control the 9 tails? It in no way
meant Madara = Obito.

1. That's like saying anyone with MS can use Susanoo, not everyone can do control the 9 tails.

To tame the beast(9 tails) with a genjustu, you must have ms but you will surely go blind.

Only Madara can summon the beast, tame it, and not go blind.

Ms Obito did exactly that^^

No one else in the uchiha can do that but Madara himself.

Can any uchiha put a perfect jinchuuriki who is a kage, in a genjustu for like a decade long.

Ruling a village from one of the five nations.

Can any ordinary ms uchiha do that?

No, we both saw itachi and Sasuke fail to sustain a genjustu on a perfect jinchuuriki for more than a minute. :|

Edos being weaker than their alive counterparts has been confirmed several times. The first time was when Orochimaru revived the 4 Hokage. Tobirama wants to leave to go join the war. Orochimaru says he's not letting them go unless Sasuke gets answers. Tobirama starts walking saying, "this time we've been brought back at almost full power, so you can't stop us." And since you're using Madara's words so much you should also remember when Madara said, "Hashirama could heal his wounds without weaving a single sign. He was the ultimate shinobi." Despite the fact, he knew about Obito and his Kamui already.

2. I'm implying alive counterparts here...

You keep posting Edo this and Edo that, this is Alive!

Blind Madara alive is stronger than alive Hashirama, if Hashirama in sm alive was completely out, had problems with EMS Madara...

Then he will surely stand no chance against Madara with his uchiha power and six path powers.

^^That is Obito's level

People say he can heal all wounds with no hand seal, even Tsunade did the same thing.

She still got severed completely in the end.

Obito also healed his wounds from Kcm naruto, lived without a heart, and the alliance called him an immortal.

So two can play at that game...

Also Madara has no intel on kamui, read chapter 666.

He literally just learned it there...

I already told you Alive Hashirama is confirmed to be even stronger than Edo. Saying Edo Madara doesn't compare to alive Hashirama simply because Madara is edo is flawed logic.

read above

As for Obito sneaking up on Hashirama. You are aware Hashirama can enter Sage Mode almost instantly, right? Meaning Hashirama can easily sense Obito. I do remember Naruto's shadow clone in Kamui dimension delivering a Rasengan to Obito's face. And Obito sending Kakashi to the Kamui dimension also backfired. Hashirama's wood clones makes Obito think twice about using Kamui on Hashirama. You are hyping Obito too much.

3. Well for starters, Hashirama doesn't move instantly.

During the fight against EMS Madara, we saw it take some time like jiraiya's sagemode.

Obito moves instantly, he moves at the speed of light when he travels through dimensions.

Hashirama can't sense Obito until he appears right out of dimensions, which would be too late then.

Minato can attest to that, he is a sensor too.

Now do you see the failed logic with the clones?

You're using the logic of Kakashi and BM naruto.

The only reason why naruto even touched Obito is because Kakashi warped naruto into dimensions.

Obito told naruto it would be foolish to fight him on his own, naruto replied that he wasn't fighting him alone.


He had killerbee, Gai, and Kakashi fighting with him.

Obito used only kamui to fight 2 perfect jinchuuriki and Kakashi and Gai.

The best they could do is scratch/break his mask, despite the fact that Kakashi is the only guy who has access to Obito's vulnerability.

The whole clone thing is rubbish, considering the fact that only Kakashi's kamui always anyone to attack Obito's body parts in dimensions.

Danzo's body guards were all warped at two different times.

None of them were able to see his body parts, let alone attack it.

So unless Hashirama has kamui, his clone senerio isn't working.

I don't know where you new members get this false theories with false solutions, and label them as factual.

Where ever you guys get this, drop it there...

I'm not overrating a Obito, I know where exactly his incarnation level is compared to.

Ms Tobi is in blind alive Madara's level.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Actually a really cool idea for a matchup. Obito with those paths would be so fun to watch, IMO he still has a lot of difficulty and not a lot of those ninja have powers that can put Hashi down, with that regeneration and all. He loses to Senju.

 

[Trollasaur]

MS Obito shitstomps, this is overkill.

 

[MickNerks]

Actually a really cool idea for a matchup. Obito with those paths would be so fun to watch, IMO he still has a lot of difficulty and not a lot of those ninja have powers that can put Hashi down, with that regeneration and all. He loses to Senju.

You don't seen Deidara's jutsu being a problem for hashirama?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

You don't seen Deidara's jutsu being a problem for hashirama?

Maybe only C0. Either way the paths are nowhere near as responsive as they were alive and now Deidara can't use his experience and clay tactics because his mind isn't there, devaluing them all slightly. Hashirama really can deal with it with all his defensive jutsu, capturing jutsu and seals. (Seriously he's like the go-to ninja for those)

Not a hashi fan but I genuinely think he's got this.

 

[genii96]

Obito shitstomps.

 

[Tenasa Uchiha]

Young niiggaa obito takes