Itachi vs Nagato

[Braiyan]

no it doesnt

how did danzo manipulate mifune then

plus itachi can use crow shadow clones that put nagato in genjutsu, koto can be casted then too

Danzo was sitting right in front of Mifune. It would have been a small issue to lift up his eye bandages and cast KA.

Shadow clones also run into the disadvantage of needing Nagato to look at their eyes or fingers to cast genjutsu, and would be destroyed easily before even getting to him thanks to Animal Path summons/Asura Path missiles/Asura Path chakra cannon/Shinra Tensei.

except he already did it to Nagato.

Except Nagato was standing still and had mobility problems. As I pointed out in the post that you replied to.

and KA doesn't.

It did when used with the crow. I am not going to pretend as if that is not the case here when that has been the case for every Sharingan genjutsu to date.

 

[muffinsnatcher]

It did when used with the crow. I am not going to pretend as if that is not the case here when that has been the case for every Sharingan genjutsu to date.

that's because itachi rigged it to respond to his ms.

Danzo was sitting right in front of Mifune. It would have been a small issue to lift up his eye bandages and cast KA

danzo didnt make eye contact. therefore ka doesnt need eye contact. common sense. use it.

 

[lanakui8]

Danzou didn't use KA on mifune as KA is a one-time jutsu that inputs a command into the opponent's mind that doesn't disappear even if the sharingan is destroyed. Danzou on the otherhand had to actively use his sharingan technique in order to control mifune and his technique + its affects stopped once mifune became aware of it and when danzou's stopped using it.

Plus, like itachi, sasuke and obito, both sharingans don't possess the same abilities, one possesses tsukuyomi, the other possesses amatersu, or enton kagetsuchi, or kamui that allows intangibility or kamui that allows long distance warping.

Finally, danzou stated he could only use that controlling technique once a day, yet he was most likely going to try and one-shot Tobi with shisui's sharingan genjutsu which would have to be KA.

Oh but as far as this thread goes, KA is irrelevant since itachi never had that technique in his possession at any point while he was alive or brought back as an edo. We also don't even know how long it takes for him to reprogram the eye.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Danzo was sitting right in front of Mifune. It would have been a small issue to lift up his eye bandages and cast KA.

Shadow clones also run into the disadvantage of needing Nagato to look at their eyes or fingers to cast genjutsu, and would be destroyed easily before even getting to him thanks to Animal Path summons/Asura Path missiles/Asura Path chakra cannon/Shinra Tensei.





Except Nagato was standing still and had mobility problems. As I pointed out in the post that you replied to.



It did when used with the crow. I am not going to pretend as if that is not the case here when that has been the case for every Sharingan genjutsu to date.

How did he have mobility problems? KA was stated not to need eye contact so it doesn't need it.

 

[Braiyan]

that's because itachi rigged it to respond to his ms.

Which requires eye contact. And offers even more proof as to why it won't be effective here if it can only be activated via eye contact with Itachi's MS.

danzo didnt make eye contact. therefore ka doesnt need eye contact. common sense. use it.

So I am assuming you have the panel of Danzo casting KA without making eye contact with Mifune despite the fact that he was sitting right in front of him that allows you to make this assertion?

 

[Braiyan]

How did he have mobility problems?

Because Itachi had to help him walk when they were reincarnated as Edos. Kabuto also outright states that Nagato had mobility problems.

KA was stated not to need eye contact so it doesn't need it.

Where is the manga panel that states this?

 

[muffinsnatcher]

Danzou didn't use KA on mifune as KA is a one-time jutsu that inputs a command into the opponent's mind that doesn't disappear even if the sharingan is destroyed. Danzou on the otherhand had to actively use his sharingan technique in order to control mifune and his technique + its affects stopped once mifune became aware of it and when danzou's stopped using it.

Plus, like itachi, sasuke and obito, both sharingans don't possess the same abilities, one possesses tsukuyomi, the other possesses amatersu, or enton kagetsuchi, or kamui that allows intangibility or kamui that allows long distance warping.

Finally, danzou stated he could only use that controlling technique once a day, yet he was most likely going to try and one-shot Tobi with shisui's sharingan genjutsu which would have to be KA.

Oh but as far as this thread goes, KA is irrelevant since itachi never had that technique in his possession at any point while he was alive or brought back as an edo. We also don't even know how long it takes for him to reprogram the eye.

so much fail in this post

danzo had senju dna and so he could use ka more

KA doesnt need eye contact. he used it without it.

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when ka is used, the ms eye dissipates. when shisui gave itachi his eye, his ms is fully activated. itachi has ka.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Which requires eye contact. And offers even more proof as to why it won't be effective here if it can only be activated via eye contact with Itachi's MS.



So I am assuming you have the panel of Danzo casting KA without making eye contact with Mifune despite the fact that he was sitting right in front of him that allows you to make this assertion?

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[Lana Del Taka]

Because Itachi had to help him walk when they were reincarnated as Edos. Kabuto also outright states that Nagato had mobility problems.



Where is the manga panel that states this?

When Nagato absorbed Naruto's chakra he was able to walk perfectly.

 

[Braiyan]

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That scan does not show when Danzo cast his genjutsu.

When Nagato absorbed Naruto's chakra he was able to walk perfectly.

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[Lana Del Taka]

That scan does not show when Danzo cast his genjutsu.

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Itachi still KA gg him.

Danzo casted the genjutsu with his right eye and his right eye was under the bandages

 

[lanakui8]

so much fail in this post

danzo had senju dna and so he could use ka more

how does that contradict what I typed?

KA doesnt need eye contact. he used it without it.

that wasn't KA, see the many reasons why in the post you've just quoted and respond to said reasons if you disagree with them.

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when ka is used, the ms eye dissipates. when shisui gave itachi his eye, his ms is fully activated. itachi has ka.

yet itachi states that KA wasn't recharged before itachi died. Itachi was 13 when shisui died, yet is only 21 when he died, and we know KA takes 10 years to recharge. Therefore it's literally impossible for shisui's eye to have had KA at the time he gave it to itachi.

 

[muffinsnatcher]

how does that contradict what I typed?


that wasn't KA, see the many reasons why in the post you've just quoted and respond to said reasons if you disagree with them.


yet itachi states that KA wasn't recharged before itachi died. Itachi was 13 when shisui died, yet is only 21 when he died, and we know KA takes 10 years to recharge. Therefore it's literally impossible for shisui's eye to have had KA at the time he gave it to itachi.

itachi used it in the interim, thats why he couldnt use it on sasuke.

but he had it here since shisui's eye is in full ms form. it wouldnt be in ms form if ka had been used before itachi got it.

 

[muffinsnatcher]

That scan does not show when Danzo cast his genjutsu.

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danzo had his eye patch over his eye the entire time and yet ka was still used.

 

[romeboii]

Itachi beats pain by catching one of them with visual genjutsu which effects all of them including nagato. A healthy itachi vs a healthy nagato would be a crazy fight which could go eitjer way because they both have extremely powerful jutsu.

 

[ReverseZero12]

Nagato stomps. Not even a debatable topic.

 

[Braiyan]

Itachi still KA gg him.

Not with the stipulations that he put on the KA under his possession just so it can activate. He needs to summon the crow and look at it with his MS eye in order for it to activate, making it virtually unusable in this fight seeing that Nagato does not have Itachi's eyes.

Danzo casted the genjutsu with his right eye and his right eye was under the bandages

But we don't know if the eye was still hidden when he cast the genjutsu on Mifune. It's unlikely that it was, since every other Sharingan genjutsu in the series was cast with direct eye contact. Had that not been the case here, it would be a bit important for that unusual fact to be pointed out by someone in the manga. Yet no one said a word on how the genjutsu was cast.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Not with the stipulations that he put on the KA under his possession just so it can activate. He needs to summon the crow and look at it with his MS eye in order for it to activate, making it virtually unusable in this fight seeing that Nagato does not have Itachi's eyes.



But we don't know if the eye was still hidden when he cast the genjutsu on Mifune. It's unlikely that it was, since every other Sharingan genjutsu in the series was cast with direct eye contact. Had that not been the case here, it would be a bit important for that unusual fact to be pointed out by someone in the manga. Yet no one said a word on how the genjutsu was cast.

It clearly was under the bandages. Stop trying to surgarcoat.

 

[muffinsnatcher]

Not with the stipulations that he put on the KA under his possession just so it can activate. He needs to summon the crow and look at it with his MS eye in order for it to activate, making it virtually unusable in this fight seeing that Nagato does not have Itachi's eyes.



But we don't know if the eye was still hidden when he cast the genjutsu on Mifune. It's unlikely that it was, since every other Sharingan genjutsu in the series was cast with direct eye contact. Had that not been the case here, it would be a bit important for that unusual fact to be pointed out by someone in the manga. Yet no one said a word on how the genjutsu was cast.

1. itachi didn't rig it right away. he rigged it after he used it. we're talking about right when shisui gave it to him so it's not rigged and he doesnt need to do that.

danzo had his eye hidden the entire time. not once scan implied otherwise or showing his eye at all! thats why ao said he was only able to see him use his jutsu by using the byakugan. nobody even knew he had a sharingan or said anything about it!

 

[lanakui8]

itachi used it in the interim, thats why he couldnt use it on sasuke.

Which is literally impossible since the manga explicitly states that it's recharge time is 10 years and it has not been over 9 years since shisui's death and itachi's death.

but he had it here since shisui's eye is in full ms form. it wouldnt be in ms form if ka had been used before itachi got it.

which is based on....? The MS just fading after using KA? That just means that the MS fades soon after, it doesn't mean that the MS can't be activated later.
Plus the crow was able to hold the MS for a while after using KA and almost no time had passed since shisui got his MS stolen by danzou, therefore he simply kept it activated long enough to give it to itachi.

That or kishi just had itachi activate the MS to give the audience a better visual understanding of his MS being the one that KA'd Itachi.