[Discussion] What does Hashwalth mean in this page

[AnimusOra]

In today's chapter Hashwalth states something very strange to Juha Bach. I have provided both panels on being from Manga Panda and the other from ***********
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What strange is that they both are implying that Juha Bach has been to the Spirit King's Palace before. Is it possible he could be a relative of the spirit king or the royal family? The origins of Juha Bach are unknown to us at the moment but what we do know is he seems to have qualities the would make him similiar to the soul king. Juha Bach distributes his soul into anyone who accepts him to fix what is broken so to say and gain information from the person while his soul is melded with his. At the moment of death, Juha Bach's soul comes back to him with the information his soul learned from the individual. Maybe that is his connection with the spirit king and maybe that is how the Spirit King is the "Lynchpin" as described by Kisuke during the sealing of Aizen. What if the Spirit King creates and takes life in the same manner as Juha Bach? He distributes his soul into every being to give life and once they die they return back to him? If you want to check out manga its all of chapter 565.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Maybe he was once a royal guard of the soul king, no one has ever seen the soul king but perhaps he means that he lost so many things while serving the soul king.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Bach goes on to say something about seeing a tombstone so they must have some connection to the Soul Palace.

 

[ToadSageNaruto]

i wonder too. idk, wasn't he found as a baby? maybe he was cursed/unwanted for whatever reason and cast down from the palace for some reason or another. like hiei so to speak. since bleach is heavily influenced by yyh that is. or something happened later in his life and he lost a loved one, most likely the second. meh.

 

[AnimusOra]

Maybe he was once a royal guard of the soul king, no one has ever seen the soul king but perhaps he means that he lost so many things while serving the soul king.

Glad you agree that is was suspicious that they had known even recognized it at first sight

Bach goes on to say something about seeing a tombstone so they must have some connection to the Soul Palace.

I'm curious to know if "tombstone" signifies a dead relative or ancient palace

i wonder too. idk, wasn't he found as a baby? maybe he was cursed/unwanted for whatever reason and cast down from the palace for some reason or another. like hiei so to speak. since bleach is heavily influenced by yyh that is. or something happened later in his life and he lost a loved one, most likely the second. meh.

It definetly is strange. I am terribly sorry for responding so late everyone i had to finish some work in the meantime.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Glad you agree that is was suspicious that they had known even recognized it at first sight



I'm curious to know if "tombstone" signifies a dead relative or ancient palace



It definetly is strange. I am terribly sorry for responding so late everyone i had to finish some work in the meantime.

I think he's referring to the palace as the tombstone, it's either a nod to a past event or his way of foreshadowing he'll destroy Soul Palace and everyone there thus making it a "tombstone" idk. I think he will have some connection to it previously though, maybe Soul Palace is the place the feud between Quincy and Shinigami started.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

I believe hash was sad because he knew Juha was going to make him summon the entire quincy army. Hash knows that most of them will die, hence the "graveyard" comment

 

[Forbidden Tale]

We on Bleach Asylum had a lot of theory about his connection with Soul King, way back.

He is so abnormal. Can absorb souls, give them strength, got knowledge and other things, not even Hogyoku can do that.

He can be nearly everything:
- Quincy (I doubt that he is just Quincy)
- Fullbringer (We need deeper explanation of fullbringer powers and he is able to give other strength (Schrift), just like Ginjo was able to give powers to other XCution members)
- Ouken (I really liked this theory, thought I doubt it now, but we still need to see where first ouken is)
- Soul King's son, Soul King's brother or even previous Soul King (he should have some connection with RR, thought his speaking in last chapter, we also know that 1000 years ago he was ruler of world, which could also mean that he was Soul King).

I doubt that he is one of Royal Guard members, since he would need to be Shinigami for that and I can't see him as one.

Great thread, I would give you rep, but must spread some around.

 

[AnimusOra]

We on Bleach Asylum had a lot of theory about his connection with Soul King, way back.

He is so abnormal. Can absorb souls, give them strength, got knowledge and other things, not even Hogyoku can do that.

He can be nearly everything:
- Quincy (I doubt that he is just Quincy)
- Fullbringer (We need deeper explanation of fullbringer powers and he is able to give other strength (Schrift), just like Ginjo was able to give powers to other XCution members)
- Ouken (I really liked this theory, thought I doubt it now, but we still need to see where first ouken is)
- Soul King's son, Soul King's brother or even previous Soul King (he should have some connection with RR, thought his speaking in last chapter, we also know that 1000 years ago he was ruler of world, which could also mean that he was Soul King).

I doubt that he is one of Royal Guard members, since he would need to be Shinigami for that and I can't see him as one.

Great thread, I would give you rep, but must spread some around.

Bleach Asylum huh? Im going to try and find the theories about the similarities. It honestly feels as if Juha Bach has some personal hate towards the shinigami in general but the Spirit King indefinitely. Thank you for the comment. I feel whenever they reveal what conversation the Spirit King and Ichigo had will reveal the most info about this dilemma.

 

[Ryuma720]

Maybe B might betray Juha Bach and become the Final villain

 

[AnimusOra]

Maybe B might betray Juha Bach and become the Final villain

Honestly it is hinting towards that as well as Uryuu but Juha Bach might be a troll like aizen expecting them to betray him in order to kill them and receive there power especially Uryuu's if he was able to resist his blood selection which led to his revival

 

[Shiroyasha]

I have no idea what Kubo is plotting, but it seems like Juha has once been to the Royal Palace before. One thing that supports my argument is how he knew that the barriers would still be open if Ichigo came. He knew the exact time interval, and the exact moment to act.. Fishy eh?? Oh well, we'll see what happens in the next few chapters.

 

[Grim]

Bach is former Spirit King.. there are quite few hints to why could this be the case and I'm +1 to few who think it's a real thing

"former spirit king or related... he is literally special"

I also believe same as Aizen he is chaotic good. "but this remains to be answered what ever is his way of balancing the world"

 

[AnimusOra]

I have no idea what Kubo is plotting, but it seems like Juha has once been to the Royal Palace before. One thing that supports my argument is how he knew that the barriers would still be open if Ichigo came. He knew the exact time interval, and the exact moment to act.. Fishy eh?? Oh well, we'll see what happens in the next few chapters.

Exactly! How could he have know something like that when no one else could possibly know something kept secret between Soul Society. It even makes you wonder if even Aizen knew anything about that

Bach is former Spirit King.. there are quite few hints to why could this be the case and I'm +1 to few who think it's a real thing

"former spirit king or related... he is literally special"

I also believe same as Aizen he is chaotic good. "but this remains to be answered what ever is his way of balancing the world"

In this thread I have a feeling he is related to the Soul King's Family but I don't think that he is the former Soul King. I believe that there has only been one so far. There haven't been any hints that Juha Bach could be the former King. His age and time that he has been around suggests he is from an older time but not at the beginning of time. Or perhaps your right and he was the Soul King, killed then reincarnated as the black child who knew nothing except that he could survive. It's all still up for grabs now

 

[Grim]

Exactly! How could he have know something like that when no one else could possibly know something kept secret between Soul Society. It even makes you wonder if even Aizen knew anything about that



In this thread I have a feeling he is related to the Soul King's Family but I don't think that he is the former Soul King. I believe that there has only been one so far. There haven't been any hints that Juha Bach could be the former King. His age and time that he has been around suggests he is from an older time but not at the beginning of time. Or perhaps your right and he was the Soul King, killed then reincarnated as the black child who knew nothing except that he could survive. It's all still up for grabs now

I will go with my blurry memory here, I think Yama and co formed SS 1000 years ago, right after they annihilated all the quincys... now it's little odd isn't it? the dates go together.

Why they call Bach his Majesty, he has been in Royal Palace before, he is way too confident facing Royal Guard, he has god powers, could it be that Yama and co... dethrone him and his subordinates (quincy) and take it over to balance the world, because it was said that quincy didn't do very well and the balance was very one sided.

Now what exactly did bach summon instead of SS?

I wouldn't be very surprised because everything has it's beginning and end... King's get dethrone, Empire collapse, victors write history etc etc... if that was the case it would be AMAZING plot twist "I will try put more thoughts to it and make a dissent thread about it" or maybe find and copy from someone to save time

 

[Forbidden Tale]

I will go with my blurry memory here, I think Yama and co formed SS 1000 years ago, right after they annihilated all the quincys... now it's little odd isn't it? the dates go together.

No one formed SS, SS is name for whole dimension, what you reffering to is Gotei 13, and G13 is formed before Quincies were defeated, since Yhwach know about 1st generation of captains.

I think that G13 was created for only one purpose and that's fighting Quincies in the war.

 

[ssjelf]

No one formed SS, SS is name for whole dimension, what you reffering to is Gotei 13, and G13 is formed before Quincies were defeated, since Yhwach know about 1st generation of captains.

I think that G13 was created for only one purpose and that's fighting Quincies in the war.

Bach said that back then they were only known as the divisions implying that G13 wasn't exactly official. I think the structure of it definitely came after Bach.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Bach said that back then they were only known as the divisions implying that G13 wasn't exactly official. I think the structure of it definitely came after Bach.

hwach said divisions you founded were called divisions, most probably instead of G13 we know, but structure was the same. And it was created before since Yhwach already know about them.

 

[ssjelf]

hwach said divisions you founded were called divisions, most probably instead of G13 we know, but structure was the same. And it was created before since Yhwach already know about them.

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Gotei 13 translates as "13 court guard squads" bach is saying that this wasn't their purpose. They weren't their to guard or protect anything. They were protectors in name only. he is saying that they were just a bunch of thugs and to me this means that the current Gotei 13 is dramatically different than the previous, not only in purpose, but when Bach says "you were really just a group of merciless thugs" it sounds to me like they were outlaws or at least more akin to a gang than a government. It may have been technically created before, but the current G13 was definitely formed after Bach's defeat and I think that this holds a lot of meaning.

 

[HalcyonDays]

The tombstone reference could be because the cities were used to create the Oken in the RG.

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