Edo Madara vs Double Kamui Obito

[XY iNVeRSe]

Edo Madara. I voted obito, but i changed my mind. I'll give reasoning later maybe. I'm on my phone atm.

 

[VongolaX]

I forgot to tell you, madara has susnoo to counter that.

That's not a valid arguement.... I could just say kamui stakes are a counter for Susanoo.

Or for Susanoo, Gedo mazou is a counter....

We could just go back and forth..

It just a matter of when Madara's Susanoo is not activated that he will subdue him with the stake too, but those stakes will bind PS anyway.

Susanoo isn't touching anybody that can walk right through it

 

[ARGUS]

Can't see Obito winning this. First Madara covers the battlefield with his ftw and uses 25 Mokuton Bunshin. Obito is done if he absorbs a Bunshin, because Madara will be able to hit him from both dimensions, so no intangibility.

You do know that Madara despite in his Edo form, has no way of reacting to dual kamui, on top of the fact that he and his clones lack the sensing feats, as well as the reaction feats to coutner the kamui warps,

furthermore why would obito absorb a clone, seeing how he can use his llong range kamui to snipe their heads off, ??

That would be legit if Obito could distinguish between clones and the original, which he can't. Once Madara created 10-20 clones, Obito actually won't have a chance to get the real one. Especially when he can merge with the surroundings. Mokuton Bunshin are more durable and in Madara's case, can use Susanoo. If he absorbs a Bunshin, he is pretty much fucked. And apart from Kamui, he has no fire power. Even Ninjutsu (his Katon) has no effect on them due to Gakido. And getting past Susanoo is also impossible for him.

Why wont obito have no chance at all, his long range kamui can literally one-shot any of the clones,
he also doesnt need to get past susanoo seeing how he can phase through it and then use his long range kamui to get rid of the clone/madara
madara also lacks the FTG lvl speed jutsus to counterattack obito once he becomes tangible, so all in all, madaras counters to dual kamui are quite minimal, and not enough to give him the win

moreover claiming that the clone would backfire obito and attack him from the other dimension when its warped through short range kamui, is wrong.. Obito had warped Fuu and Torune, and then proceeded to even warp out karin/sasuke, yet both the entities were no way near each other,,
my point is that the kamui dimension is most likely huge, and obito can choose to warp his opponents much further so that they dont backfire him,

 

[lanakui8]

If Obito can teleport at the speed that him and Kakashi pulled off at a team, and furthermore, if he can deploy that speed not only on his own body but into his ranged Kamui, then there is absolutely nothing Madara can do to avoid it. If it is his normal Kamui speed, then it's more of a tossup, possibly leaning towards Madara..

Obito's teleportation feat against the omyouton

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[XY iNVeRSe]

That's not a valid arguement.... I could just say kamui stakes are a counter for Susanoo.

Or for Susanoo, Gedo mazou is a counter....

We could just go back and forth..

It just a matter of when Madara's Susanoo is not activated that he will subdue him with the stake too, but those stakes will bind PS anyway.

Susanoo isn't touching anybody that can walk right through it

1. Yes it is, susanoo would deflect the stakes wtf
2. gedo Mazo can be a perfect counter. Madara drops meteors on it and sends 25 susanoo clones to slice it in bits.
3. no we can't.
4. no they wont, susanoo isn't flesh. its chakra that either gets broken or it defects.
5. obito walks in susanoo, then what? he tries to kamui Madara away? how does he know which madara is which anyway..

 

[Unorthodox]

You do know that Madara despite in his Edo form, has no way of reacting to dual kamui, on top of the fact that he and his clones lack the sensing feats, as well as the reaction feats to coutner the kamui warps,

furthermore why would obito absorb a clone, seeing how he can use his llong range kamui to snipe their heads off, ??


Why wont obito have no chance at all, his long range kamui can literally one-shot any of the clones,
he also doesnt need to get past susanoo seeing how he can phase through it and then use his long range kamui to get rid of the clone/madara
madara also lacks the FTG lvl speed jutsus to counterattack obito once he becomes tangible, so all in all, madaras counters to dual kamui are quite minimal, and not enough to give him the win

moreover claiming that the clone would backfire obito and attack him from the other dimension when its warped through short range kamui, is wrong.. Obito had warped Fuu and Torune, and then proceeded to even warp out karin/sasuke, yet both the entities were no way near each other,,
my point is that the kamui dimension is most likely huge, and obito can choose to warp his opponents much further so that they dont backfire him,

taking a wood clone's head off means nothing

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they are still able to fight with the upper half of they're body vaporized

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

taking a wood clone's head off means nothing

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they are still able to fight with the upper half of they're body vaporized

me.. of all people missed this feat.. smh

 

[ARGUS]

taking a wood clone's head off means nothing

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they are still able to fight with the upper half of they're body vaporized

you do know that Obito can create warrp wholes that can completely warp the clones, and place them far away so that he is safe from both sides,,
on top of the fact that the edos would take time regenerating and with their heads severed, they wont be able to see, nor sense obito meaning the latter can jus come up close and warp their other half back to kamui, which would eliminate the clone,

 

[XY iNVeRSe]

you do know that Obito can create warrp wholes that can completely warp the clones, and place them far away so that he is safe from both sides,,
on top of the fact that the edos would take time regenerating and with their heads severed, they wont be able to see, nor sense obito meaning the latter can jus come up close and warp their other half back to kamui, which would eliminate the clone,

Madara will simply spam more and more and more and more and mroe and more clones unitil he's sent to kamuiland, because thats the only way obito wins here.

you ever played ultimate alliance? remember fighting mysterio. it would kinda be like that, but instead, it would be 25 at a time, and the process would never end until you kill the right one.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara wins.

 

[Strict]

You do know that Madara despite in his Edo form, has no way of reacting to dual kamui, on top of the fact that he and his clones lack the sensing feats, as well as the reaction feats to coutner the kamui warps,

furthermore why would obito absorb a clone, seeing how he can use his llong range kamui to snipe their heads off, ??


Why wont obito have no chance at all, his long range kamui can literally one-shot any of the clones,
he also doesnt need to get past susanoo seeing how he can phase through it and then use his long range kamui to get rid of the clone/madara
madara also lacks the FTG lvl speed jutsus to counterattack obito once he becomes tangible, so all in all, madaras counters to dual kamui are quite minimal, and not enough to give him the win

moreover claiming that the clone would backfire obito and attack him from the other dimension when its warped through short range kamui, is wrong.. Obito had warped Fuu and Torune, and then proceeded to even warp out karin/sasuke, yet both the entities were no way near each other,,
my point is that the kamui dimension is most likely huge, and obito can choose to warp his opponents much further so that they dont backfire him,

No he can react. He makes one finger sign and creates a bunch of clones the moment Obito activates his MS. Or he instantly creates a forest which also serves as a sight blocker, since Madara surround himself with trees too.

Obito of course can just rip off the clones heads, but this will just be a waste of Chakra. Madara has unlimited Chakra, he will be able to create new clones over and over again.

And he can't just get past Susanoo and materialize inside it to warp Madara, since his body is fully surrounded by the Chakra which protects him. Even if Obito could do this, he will only waste his Chakra. He will face 10 clones with Susanoo and thus will waste 10 long range Kamui only to get rid of the clones, which Madara can create without Chakra loss again.

And you may forget that Obito needs to materialize in order to attack; his intangibility makes his position purely defensive. And against Madara, he is simply outnumbered. 20 clones which will surround him and are able to use Susanoo, Mokuton and Rinnegan techniques. If he materializes and uses long range Kamui to snipe one of them, 5 others will attack him immediately. As Madara created a whole forest, he will be able to control the surroundings. Do you remember how Susanoo's sword suddenly shot out of a tree and stabbed Tsunade? This is what can happen while Obito uses his long range Kamui.

Madara has limitless stamina and an immense fire power and variety. Obito will only insist on his Kamui. Passing through objects if he is attacked and manifesting if he's gonna attack.

Double Kamui is indeed haxxed, but it's still only an MS, which can't stand up against the combined power of EMS, Mokuton and Rinnegan.