[Question] Sabo vs M3

[Red Swag]

why is it always the same reason all over again with sabo?

if the 2nd in command of the rev army cant do this n that...

but hes the 2nd in command of the rev army...

tbh this army is a bit overrated... yeah they oppose the wg but they havnt done sh!t yet. the admirals are still untouched... the wg still standing strong. some say the rev army is the most powerful org in opv. really? what makes you think that? because they oppose the wg? thats it huh? ok...

 

[Olorin]

why is it always the same reason all over again with sabo?

if the 2nd in command of the rev army cant do this n that...

but hes the 2nd in command of the rev army...

tbh this army is a bit overrated... yeah they oppose the wg but they havnt done sh!t yet. the admirals are still untouched... the wg still standing strong. some say the rev army is the most powerful org in opv. really? what makes you think that? because they oppose the wg? thats it huh? ok...

Why is the argument for Big Mom always "shes a yonko"?

 

[Red Swag]

Why is the argument for Big Mom always "shes a yonko"?

Who even said that.

Anyway a yonko has proof. Wb is one, wasup?

 

[Olorin]

Who even said that.

Anyway a yonko has proof. Wb is one, wasup?

you are mirroring one yonko to another yonko so what is so wrong with mirroring the WG with the revs?

 

[Ryuma720]

what's m3?

Monster 3: Luffy, Zoro, & Sanji

 

[Fireplay]

Hard to say, we haven't seen M3 or Sabo go all out yet.

Fujitora can imo Mid-diff M3.

So im guessing Sabo can potentially take this High-diff. I'll wait for more feats until i say anything permanent.

At the same time think about it... Individually the SH's are like ants to him.

1 ant vs a giant....the giant wins
2 ants vs a giant....the giant wins
3 ants vs a giant...the giant wins...

Doesn't matter how many ants there are, they can't beat a giant.

 

[Black Mamba]

Hard to say, we haven't seen M3 or Sabo go all out yet.

Fujitora can imo Mid-diff M3.

So im guessing Sabo can potentially take this High-diff. I'll wait for more feats until i say anything permanent.

At the same time think about it... Individually the SH's are like ants to him.

1 ant vs a giant....the giant wins
2 ants vs a giant....the giant wins
3 ants vs a giant...the giant wins...

Doesn't matter how many ants there are, they can't beat a giant.

are you high?? zoro clashed with fugitora on 2 occasions, came out fine. how can he mid diff the m3 when he can't even low diff zoro???

you're on something if you think the m3 are ants compared to admirals. battle between Luffy and Fugitora would be high diff either out come.

m3 > sabo low diff
m3 > fujitora low diff

 

[Fireplay]

are you high?? zoro clashed with fugitora on 2 occasions, came out fine. how can he mid diff the m3 when he can't even low diff zoro???

you're on something if you think the m3 are ants compared to admirals. battle between Luffy and Fugitora would be high diff either out come.

m3 > sabo low diff
m3 > fujitora low diff

Seems to me like you're the one who is high. Zoro's "clashing" with Fuji wasn't a "clash" it was simply Fujitora being merciful and not stomping Zoro at the spot. Zoro came out bleeding while Fuji was barely even trying. By your logic DD is as strong as Fuji since he kicked him and Fuji blocked....What a "clash",.
So a battle between Luffy and Fuji is high-diff? Lol

Luffy vs DD: Luffy got manhandled during their first fight
Sanji vs DD: Sanji got easily wiped out

and DD isn't even as strong as the admirals.

the M3 are on the same level as Smoker and Law or should i say Luffy is....

Law and Smoker were struggling with Vergo, and you expect him to go high-diff with an admiral?

Lets put it this way...If current Luffy can beat Fujitora then he should just skip the fight with DD and go straight for Kaido.

Ridiculous...Meteor dropping admiral losing to a bunch of rookies is unheard of.

 

[shon93]

are you high?? zoro clashed with fugitora on 2 occasions, came out fine. how can he mid diff the m3 when he can't even low diff zoro???

you're on something if you think the m3 are ants compared to admirals. battle between Luffy and Fugitora would be high diff either out come.

m3 > sabo low diff
m3 > fujitora low diff

M3 can't beat an admiral bro so I can say they can't beat Sabo. If Fugitora was serious with Zoro and Luffy he could crush them mid diff

 

[Black Mamba]

Seems to me like you're the one who is high. Zoro's "clashing" with Fuji wasn't a "clash" it was simply Fujitora being merciful and not stomping Zoro at the spot. Zoro came out bleeding while Fuji was barely even trying. By your logic DD is as strong as Fuji since he kicked him and Fuji blocked....What a "clash",.
So a battle between Luffy and Fuji is high-diff? Lol

Luffy vs DD: Luffy got manhandled during their first fight
Sanji vs DD: Sanji got easily wiped out

and DD isn't even as strong as the admirals.

the M3 are on the same level as Smoker and Law or should i say Luffy is....

Law and Smoker were struggling with Vergo, and you expect him to go high-diff with an admiral?

Lets put it this way...If current Luffy can beat Fujitora then he should just skip the fight with DD and go straight for Kaido.

Ridiculous...Meteor dropping admiral losing to a bunch of rookies is unheard of.

fujitora being merciful? why the fck would he merciful to pirates? he tried to defeat zoro by using his gravity on him and send him underground like the people at the restaurant, but zoro countered it nuff said. sabo is clashing with fujitora, is he being merciful on him also?

doesn't mean shit in anime, luffy got neg diffed by lucci, who won the final battle?

theres no proof in the manga that says fugi > doffy as of now their equals. strongest vice admiral we seen so far was vergo(excluding garp), and he is doffys puppet, so doffy is pretty much admiral tier.

smoker** was struggling with vergo..... law one shotted him after getting his heart back, Luffy is stronger than Law, nothing to say but wait and you will see in the next chapters.

i never said he can beat fujitora i said the fight would be high diff, and after he beats doffy it seems like the next target is big mom or kaido, so your point in invalid.

meteor dropping admiral? who has his meteors really damaged other than his own marine soldiers.

 

[Bogard]

Seems to me like you're the one who is high. Zoro's "clashing" with Fuji wasn't a "clash" it was simply Fujitora being merciful and not stomping Zoro at the spot. Zoro came out bleeding while Fuji was barely even trying. By your logic DD is as strong as Fuji since he kicked him and Fuji blocked....What a "clash",.
So a battle between Luffy and Fuji is high-diff? Lol

And the half-assed argument begins

Rule number1 of admiral wankers

When they can't fodderize someone they are merciful and barely trying. I guess Fujitora is also merciful on Sabo

You know what though? Zoro only used one sword. He was merciful on Fujitora. If he used his 3 swords, Fujitora wouldn't have been pushed for few meters only but could have crossed the entire planet

No, that scene was to show Zoro can't be fodderized by admirals anymore. He is still not on their level, but an admiral now will have to try to win

I'd say an admiral would win Zoro between low and mid difficulty on the contrary of no diff like in pre-timeskip. Luffy who is stronger may last a little longer though

Luffy vs DD: Luffy got manhandled during their first fight

Yeah when Luffy had to save a weaker one, Doffy still failed to land 2 five color strings on base Luffy and had to use a clone he never used before to manage to land a hit. The funniest thing is that he even had to guard himself with armament to block a non-hakified attack from Luffy. Really, Luffy came out of it with no shame at all. I even got the impression of the contrary infact

the M3 are on the same level as Smoker and Law or should i say Luffy is....

Actually Smoker is weaker than M3 level. The only one i can see him winning against is Sanji and what if Law is on Luffy's level? Law could contend with an admiral and Doflamingo for a considerable amount of time and Doflamingo couldn't even defeat a tired and wounded Law easily

Law and Smoker were struggling with Vergo, and you expect him to go high-diff with an admiral?

Lol at Law struggling against Vergo. Vergo could only last that long because he had Law's heart. When he took that back, he one-shoted him when he got his heart back

Let's put it this way. They think they have 30% of chance to defeat Kaido and you think an admiral can still walk over them? Get's real

 

[Fireplay]

And the half-assed argument begins

Rule number1 of admiral wankers

When they can't fodderize someone they are merciful and barely trying. I guess Fujitora is also merciful on Sabo

No....Sabo is near admiral level if not there yet...Are you trying to say Zoro is at that level?

Not to mention we know how Fuji is. He has reasons to go easy on Zoro but why would he do that with Sabo?

You know what though? Zoro only used one sword. He was merciful on Fujitora. If he used his 3 swords, Fujitora wouldn't have been pushed for few meters only but could have crossed the entire planet

If it's this game we're playing...Fuji didn't use Haki...if he did then Zoro would still be collecting the pieces of his swords right about now....get real.

No, that scene was to show Zoro can't be fodderized by admirals anymore. He is still not on their level, but an admiral now will have to try to win

Try to win? that fight wasn't about Fujitora trying to beat Zoro...it was about Zoro trying to stay alive. Fuji simply dumped him underground and Zoro managed to counter attack and get back up while bleeding whereas Fuji wasn't even trying.

I'd say an admiral would win Zoro between low and mid difficulty on the contrary of no diff like in pre-timeskip. Luffy who is stronger may last a little longer though

I don't disagree with this....An admiral would Low-diff Zoro. Sanji got low-diffed by DD and he isn't even admiral level.

Yeah when Luffy had to save a weaker one, Doffy still failed to land 2 five color strings on base Luffy and had to use a clone he never used before to manage to land a hit. The funniest thing is that he even had to guard himself with armament to block a non-hakified attack from Luffy. Really, Luffy came out of it with no shame at all. I even got the impression of the contrary infact

With no shame? DD took him out with a single punch...Just because he used Haki to block doesn't change the outcome of the fight or the gap between them...Luffy used Haki to block a simple kick from Hody...did it change the outcome? No. Were they on the same level? No. The clone is a part of DD's arsenal therefore him having to use a clone doesn't take anything away from him, that's like taking away points from Luffy because he used G3 on Chinjao.

Actually Smoker is weaker than M3 level. The only one i can see him winning against is Sanji and what if Law is on Luffy's level? Law could contend with an admiral and Doflamingo for a considerable amount of time and Doflamingo couldn't even defeat a tired and wounded Law easily

Smoker>Zoro....don't know who made it "official" that Smoker is below M3. And Law wasn't doing anything against DD or Fuji. He blocked a meteor then it skipped to the part where he was being held down wounded while DD and Fuji were both in perfect shape. And that comment about DD not being able to beat a wounded Law easily....And? you're only backing up my point .

at Law struggling against Vergo. Vergo could only last that long because he had Law's heart. When he took that back, he one-shoted him when he got his heart back

Vergo was cocky and tried to take Law's attack head on thinking Law wasn't strong enough to damage him like before. See what happened before all that? Law's attacks had no effect on Vergo. Vergo tanked counter shock and was blitzing Law until he got his heart back. Law was only able to oneshot Vergo due to Vergo's cockiness.

If WB came straight at Law and tried to tank his slash he would get cut in half...doesn't mean that Law is miles and leaps above WB.

Law being stronger than Vergo is still debatable.

Let's put it this way. They think they have 30% of chance to defeat Kaido and you think an admiral can still walk over them? Get's real

Let me ask you this, do you think Kaido can beat an admiral with only 30% of his powers?

 

[Bogard]

No....Sabo is near admiral level if not there yet...Are you trying to say Zoro is at that level?

Not to mention we know how Fuji is. He has reasons to go easy on Zoro but why would he do that with Sabo?

Whether Zoro is Sabo level or not isn't the point. What reasons does Fuji have to go easy on Zoro and not go easy on Sabo when his only goal is to capture the strawhats pirates while avoiding a fight with Sabo by asking him peacefully to get out of the way because he has no business with him before actually trying to fight him? It's what is called half-assed argument every admiral wanker tries to pull off when they can't fodderize an opponent they think should be far below their level. The manga says A, admiral wankers says B

If it's this game we're playing...Fuji didn't use Haki...if he did then Zoro would still be collecting the pieces of his swords right about now....get real.

Doesn't matter. The point is to show how none of them went all out. Besides, how do you know whether Fuji used haki or not? Also you know that Zoro has haki as well right? And that armament is his speciality right?

Try to win? that fight wasn't about Fujitora trying to beat Zoro...it was about Zoro trying to stay alive. Fuji simply dumped him underground and Zoro managed to counter attack and get back up while bleeding whereas Fuji wasn't even trying.

Yeah he pressures him in a gravity stronger than the one that puts Law down just because he wasn't trying. Seems legit. You know something else? Even Fujitora's gravity attack on Zoro happened during a surprise attack when he came out of nowhere, yet Zoro countered it. Jozu made Kuzan bleed during a surprise attack. I guess Kuzan is far below his level.

Funny how without a sneak attack on a second encounter he could do nothing on Zoro. Fujitora isn't stomping Zoro. People just want to read what they want to read

I don't disagree with this....An admiral would Low-diff Zoro. Sanji got low-diffed by DD and he isn't even admiral level.

I guess, but i think we've different notion concerning the difficulties. When i said between low and mid difficulty, i was saying it could be between a strong low diff and a mid mid diff, not a mid low diff like the one of DD on Sanji, let alone a no-diff where there is no fight at all. A strong low-diff means they would clash for a great while before Fujitora would win. A mid mid diff means that Fujitora would be wounded and half tired after a long battle but would win. A high diff means Fujitora would be bloodied after a long battle but would win. A extrême diff means the difference in level was extremely close

With no shame? DD took him out with a single punch...Just because he used Haki to block doesn't change the outcome of the fight or the gap between them...Luffy used Haki to block a simple kick from Hody...did it change the outcome? No. Were they on the same level? No. The clone is a part of DD's arsenal therefore him having to use a clone doesn't take anything away from him, that's like taking away points from Luffy because he used G3 on Chinjao.

Luffy had to fight while saving someone else, so had a distraction Doflamingo could use against him, yet he had to use a move he never used before(a clone) to actually manage to land a hit on someone who didn't even use his high end moves(more like low or mid-level moves) without haki. It gives me the impression that if Luffy tried harder, Doflamingo would have more than just sweat. G3 Luffy was required to break Chinjao's head

Smoker>Zoro....don't know who made it "official" that Smoker is below M3. And Law wasn't doing anything against DD or Fuji. He blocked a meteor then it skipped to the part where he was being held down wounded while DD and Fuji were both in perfect shape. And that comment about DD not being able to beat a wounded Law easily....And? you're only backing up my point .

Smoker had a similar showing with Sanji in his fight against Vergo, that shows they are around the same level. Zoro who is stronger would defeat him. Zoro stomped every opponents he had so far and even an admiral couldn't stomp him. Doflamingo stomped Smoker in 2 panels. Smoker isn't on Zoro's level

Vergo was cocky and tried to take Law's attack head on thinking Law wasn't strong enough to damage him like before. See what happened before all that? Law's attacks had no effect on Vergo. Vergo tanked counter shock and was blitzing Law until he got his heart back. Law was only able to oneshot Vergo due to Vergo's cockiness.

Law was fully confident he would win, cocky Vergo or not. He announced his death even before defeating him. Law is stronger than Vergo and it's not even close

If WB came straight at Law and tried to tank his slash he would get cut in half...doesn't mean that Law is miles and leaps above WB.

WB's haki is above Vergo's. You can't compare them. He would laugh at Law's attacks

Let me ask you this, do you think Kaido can beat an admiral with only 30% of his powers?

I don't see the point

 

[Black Mamba]

No....Sabo is near admiral level if not there yet...Are you trying to say Zoro is at that level?

Not to mention we know how Fuji is. He has reasons to go easy on Zoro but why would he do that with Sabo?

what reason does he have to go easy on zoro?? you're statement on him being merciful is complete bs.

If it's this game we're playing...Fuji didn't use Haki...if he did then Zoro would still be collecting the pieces of his swords right about now....get real.

you have no way of knowing if he used haki or not.... since you wanna play the game, i'll say zoro also did not use haki. the fact is zoro clashed with him and came out fine, both of them were holding back.

Try to win? that fight wasn't about Fujitora trying to beat Zoro...it was about Zoro trying to stay alive. Fuji simply dumped him underground and Zoro managed to counter attack and get back up while bleeding whereas Fuji wasn't even trying.

yes an admiral would have to try to win against zoro....what do you not understand that whole scene was to show zoro can't be neg to low diffed by admirals. of course he's bleeding you know how strong the gravity had to been to break through the concrete ground and zoro still countered it.

I don't disagree with this....An admiral would Low-diff Zoro. Sanji got low-diffed by DD and he isn't even admiral level.

zoro would get mid diffed, 2 years training and they come to the new world to get low diffed by admirals?

With no shame? DD took him out with a single punch...Just because he used Haki to block doesn't change the outcome of the fight or the gap between them...Luffy used Haki to block a simple kick from Hody...did it change the outcome? No. Were they on the same level? No. The clone is a part of DD's arsenal therefore him having to use a clone doesn't take anything away from him, that's like taking away points from Luffy because he used G3 on Chinjao.

a single punch took him out?? what manga were you reading... that punch was nothing, Luffy is perfectly fine. this is what they do in every anime the bad guy wins the first round and sometimes even the second round, but the main character always wins in the final round.

Smoker>Zoro....don't know who made it "official" that Smoker is below M3. And Law wasn't doing anything against DD or Fuji. He blocked a meteor then it skipped to the part where he was being held down wounded while DD and Fuji were both in perfect shape. And that comment about DD not being able to beat a wounded Law easily....And? you're only backing up my point .

m3>smoker..... he was mid diffed by law and neg diffed by doffy, m3 is clearly ahead of him. his point was that Law was holding of an admiral and doffy for a considerable amount of time, instead of being neg diffed.

Vergo was cocky and tried to take Law's attack head on thinking Law wasn't strong enough to damage him like before. See what happened before all that? Law's attacks had no effect on Vergo. Vergo tanked counter shock and was blitzing Law until he got his heart back. Law was only able to oneshot Vergo due to Vergo's cockiness.

why don't you understand that vergo had his heart and couldn't fight back properly cuz vergo would squeeze his heart. once he got his heart he one shotted him nuff said.

If WB came straight at Law and tried to tank his slash he would get cut in half...doesn't mean that Law is miles and leaps above WB.

you think vergo was just charging straight at law wanting to get sliced??? vergo tried to use his haki infused bamboo to break laws sword but got sliced instead. if WB charged at law wanted to do the same with his guru guru infused spear law would be dead.

Law being stronger than Vergo is still debatable.

no it's not law won...

Let me ask you this, do you think Kaido can beat an admiral with only 30% of his powers?

30% or lower WB beat akainu.

 

[-Akuma-]

Based on what? Zoro stalemated Fujitora on 2 different occasions when Bastille got fodderised by Sabo in 2 panels. Zoro is clearly on a different level than Bastille

Zoro never stalemated Fuji, he push him back a few feet. While a non BL Fuji sent Zoro down a hole rather easily. And Bastilee got fodderized by Sabo, but Sabo is much stronger than Zoro.​

 

[Bogard]

Zoro never stalemated Fuji, he push him back a few feet. While a non BL Fuji sent Zoro down a hole rather easily. And Bastilee got fodderized by Sabo, but Sabo is much stronger than Zoro.​

No one got the better of the other. It's what you call stalemate. And of course it's easier to put someone in a hole when you appear out of nowhere. Jozu punched Kuzan in the face making him bleed. Had we stop there, would you say Jozu > Kuzan? The gravity Fujitora used on Zoro was stronger than the one that pinned Law down to the point it cracked the ground completely, so saying he wasn't serious is ridiculous. If anything Zoro was even less BL than Fujitora considering he didn't even try to attack him to begin with. A dude he didn't even know came out of nowhere to attack him, most likely one of the reasons he only used one sword to counter-attack. Fuji is Sabo level. If Fuji can't stomp Zoro, neither could Sabo, yet he stomped Bastille. They aren't on the same level

 

[Fireplay]

Whether Zoro is Sabo level or not isn't the point. What reasons does Fuji have to go easy on Zoro and not go easy on Sabo when his only goal is to capture the strawhats pirates while avoiding a fight with Sabo by asking him peacefully to get out of the way because he has no business with him before actually trying to fight him? It's what is called half-assed argument every admiral wanker tries to pull off when they can't fodderize an opponent they think should be far below their level. The manga says A, admiral wankers says B

If Fuji truly tried to capture the Straw Hats then why didn't he take Zoro? The SH's helped him once and Fuji himself said "you've been good to me but i have to do my job" or something along those lines yet he hasn't done anything to a single Straw Hat. Fuji asking Sabo to get out of the way only proves my point, even though he doesn't know Sabo he still tells him to not get involved. If Fuji had gone all DD on Zoro then the outcome would be more like the fight between Sanji vs DD. Sanji who is only slightly weaker than Zoro couldn't do anything against DD who is weaker than Fujitora. Zoro can't do much if Fuji goes all out. Fujitora repelled Zoro's attack with little effort.

Doesn't matter. The point is to show how none of them went all out. Besides, how do you know whether Fuji used haki or not? Also you know that Zoro has haki as well right? And that armament is his speciality right?

Aaaaaand? CoA being Zoro's speciality is not saying that "Zoro is a Haki beast and his Haki>everyone elses" it simply means that Zoro is better at CoA then he is at CoO and CoC. We haven't seen anything from his Haki, Zoro is no Haki beast as far as we know. I could ask you the same thing btw, how do you know that Zoro didn't use Haki? You don't so don't bring out that bs argument.

Yeah he pressures him in a gravity stronger than the one that puts Law down just because he wasn't trying. Seems legit. You know something else? Even Fujitora's gravity attack on Zoro happened during a surprise attack when he came out of nowhere, yet Zoro countered it. Jozu made Kuzan bleed during a surprise attack. I guess Kuzan is far below his level.

The gravity that he used on Law was simply to hold him still so that he wouldn't try to escape or anything, that's like me saying that Zoro was trying against Monet because he used a named attack. The Jozu vs Kuzan argument doesnt work since we saw the outcome of the battle and we have a clear understanding of where Jozu stands in terms of power. Before the fight started Jozu was supposed to be on par with Aokiji but Aokiji proved us wrong.

Funny how without a sneak attack on a second encounter he could do nothing on Zoro. Fujitora isn't stomping Zoro. People just want to read what they want to read

We have no idea what happened during that second clash and Fujitora didn't use a sneak attack...He was standing in front of Zoro.

Luffy had to fight while saving someone else, so had a distraction Doflamingo could use against him, yet he had to use a move he never used before(a clone) to actually manage to land a hit on someone who didn't even use his high end moves(more like low or mid-level moves) without haki. It gives me the impression that if Luffy tried harder, Doflamingo would have more than just sweat.

Funny because DD never felt the need to use that distraction. Your giving Luffy excuses. If Jet Gatling is Luffy's low-end move then i don't know what world we're living in.

G3 Luffy was required to break Chinjao's head

Again, compare these...

DD used Haki to block a Jet Gatling Gun
Luffy used Haki to block a simple kick from Hody
Luffy used Haki punches to hurt Hody...

the Luffy fanboys are saying that because DD used Haki to block a non-Haki G2 attack Luffy has redeemed himself in some way when in fact Luffy was using Haki to block simple attacks from Hody and used Haki in order to harm him.

Smoker had a similar showing with Sanji in his fight against Vergo, that shows they are around the same level. Zoro who is stronger would defeat him. Zoro stomped every opponents he had so far and even an admiral couldn't stomp him. Doflamingo stomped Smoker in 2 panels. Smoker isn't on Zoro's level

Lol this is the usual "Zoro has stomped everyone" argument. Sanji almost lost to Vergo without even using Haki whereas Smoker was putting up a fight against Vergo with Haki. Sanji's bones were breaking from simple kicks from non-Haki Vergo. Zoro would lose to Vergo the way Sanji did. Lol @ DD stomping a wounded Smoker.

Ohh and just for the sake of that "Zoro has stomped everyone so far" argument lets take a look at the people Zoro's fought and stomped after the TS...

Hyouzou; fodder fishman swordsman
Monet: Lol
Pacifista: Lol Sanji and Luffy did this aswell

Now lets see the people Sanji has fought...

Vergo
Doflamingo
Fodder at FI

Smoker....

Vergo
DD
Law


Compare these battles to the fights Zoro has fought. Zoro has fought nothing but fodders.

Law was fully confident he would win, cocky Vergo or not. He announced his death even before defeating him. Law is stronger than Vergo and it's not even close

Its actually very close and Law being stronger than Vergo is arguable. Vergo was known for his stupidity and cockiness. DD himself said on the Den den that Law wasn't strong enough to get through Vergo's Haki. If Vergo had known this the outcome would've been different. Law had to cut a whole mountain in order to beat a Vergo that was coming at him head first.

Law's attacks previously didn't work on Vergo, back when he was younger and Vergo beat him up therefore Vergo and DD thought that Law still wouldn't be strong enough.

WB's haki is above Vergo's. You can't compare them. He would laugh at Law's attacks

That's not the point. The point is that to Law, Vergo with Haki armor was the same as Vergo without it, he'd cut through it no matter what. Same with WB, just because Law can cut a WB coming at him head on doesn't mean in any way shape or form that he's above WB. Lets say Mihawk comes at Law head first, Law cuts him up, does that mean Law>Mihawk? No. It means Mihawk got careless and cocky.

I don't see the point

Your indirectly saying that 30% of Kaido is more than enough to give Fujitora a run for his money...

 

[Bogard]

If Fuji truly tried to capture the Straw Hats then why didn't he take Zoro? The SH's helped him once and Fuji himself said "you've been good to me but i have to do my job" or something along those lines yet he hasn't done anything to a single Straw Hat. Fuji asking Sabo to get out of the way only proves my point, even though he doesn't know Sabo he still tells him to not get involved. If Fuji had gone all DD on Zoro then the outcome would be more like the fight between Sanji vs DD. Sanji who is only slightly weaker than Zoro couldn't do anything against DD who is weaker than Fujitora. Zoro can't do much if Fuji goes all out. Fujitora repelled Zoro's attack with little effort.

Like he says himself, he had to do his job, exactly what he was trying to do on Zoro and if Zoro wasn't strong enough to counter it, he would have managed. Once again, the gravity Fujitora used on Zoro was stronger than the one that pinned Law down to the point it cracked the ground completely, so stop the wank. I won't even enter the Sanji topic considering we've different view on the matter

Aaaaaand? CoA being Zoro's speciality is not saying that "Zoro is a Haki beast and his Haki>everyone elses" it simply means that Zoro is better at CoA then he is at CoO and CoC. We haven't seen anything from his Haki, Zoro is no Haki beast as far as we know. I could ask you the same thing btw, how do you know that Zoro didn't use Haki? You don't so don't bring out that bs argument.

Aaaaand? You said Fujitora didn't use haki without proof, so you counter bs arguments with bs posts

The gravity that he used on Law was simply to hold him still so that he wouldn't try to escape or anything, that's like me saying that Zoro was trying against Monet because he used a named attack. The Jozu vs Kuzan argument doesnt work since we saw the outcome of the battle and we have a clear understanding of where Jozu stands in terms of power. Before the fight started Jozu was supposed to be on par with Aokiji but Aokiji proved us wrong.

The intent of the gravity doesn't matter. The power of the gravity does. The gravity used on Law slightly bended the ground, nothing much. Yet it was enough to pin Law down. Against Zoro, it cracked the ground completely. See the difference? It does work considering we didn't see the outcome of the Zoro vs Fujitora, so any argument using a sneak attack to show superiority is BS even if it were true or wrong. Not to mention, Jozu was actually distracted when Kuzan got the upperhand, before that it stayed in standstil

We have no idea what happened during that second clash and Fujitora didn't use a sneak attack...He was standing in front of Zoro.

I'm saying he used a sneak attack during the first meeting, not the second. During the second when it didn't happen, he did nothing to Zoro. We've no idea of what happened because it wasn't seen on-panel but they clashed off-panel and Zoro came out fine. Luffy apparently even left Zoro handle him alone which he did until Pica interfered

Funny because DD never felt the need to use that distraction. Your giving Luffy excuses. If Jet Gatling is Luffy's low-end move then i don't know what world we're living in.

I said between low and mid, not quite low but not high either. Doflamingo didn't use the distraction, but Luffy himself was distracted by it

Again, compare these...

DD used Haki to block a Jet Gatling Gun
Luffy used Haki to block a simple kick from Hody
Luffy used Haki punches to hurt Hody...

the Luffy fanboys are saying that because DD used Haki to block a non-Haki G2 attack Luffy has redeemed himself in some way when in fact Luffy was using Haki to block simple attacks from Hody and used Haki in order to harm him.

You don't get the point. The point is to show that Luffy was far from going all-out there. He doesn't even take Doflamingo seriously. Just look at latest chapter. What did he throw to Doffy's clone? Was it even a pistol? There is no redeeming in it, but something that shows Luffy has yet to go all-out on Doffy and that when it will happen, Doffy will have a hard time

Lol this is the usual "Zoro has stomped everyone" argument. Sanji almost lost to Vergo without even using Haki whereas Smoker was putting up a fight against Vergo with Haki. Sanji's bones were breaking from simple kicks from non-Haki Vergo. Zoro would lose to Vergo the way Sanji did. Lol @ DD stomping a wounded Smoker.

The fight against Vergo was a skirmich unlike a mid long battle like the Vergo vs Smoker one. None of them went all-out, but it was enough to show a comparable level. Smoker wasn't wounded at all when DD came. Sanji's meal was supposed to bring them all at 100%. And stop giving your opinions as fact. You have no way to prove Vergo can defeat Zoro. Zoro didn't even come close to go all out yet

Ohh and just for the sake of that "Zoro has stomped everyone so far" argument lets take a look at the people Zoro's fought and stomped after the TS...

Hyouzou; fodder fishman swordsman
Monet: Lol
Pacifista: Lol Sanji and Luffy did this aswell

Now lets see the people Sanji has fought...

Vergo
Doflamingo
Fodder at FI

Smoker....

Vergo
DD
Law

At least when you count fights, do it right? I'd even add Luffy for debating sake

Luffy's opponents

- Hyouzou's group(slight skirmich)
- Monster Hodi
- Monet
- Caesar
- Chinjao

Zoro's opponents

- Hodi
- Monster Hyouzou
- Monet
- Fujitora(2 skirmich)
- Pica

Sanji's opponents

- Wadatsumi(in combo with Jinbe)
- Vergo
- Doflamingo

Smoker's opponents

- Law
- Caesar(in Tashigi's body)
- Vergo
- Doflamingo

You know what's funny? When Zoro fight people inferior to him, he stomp them. When Zoro fight opponents stronger, he holds his own, yet Smoker or Sanji gets stomped by weaker opponents

1- Luffy had similar opponents until Dressrosa
2- Luffy said base Hyouzou was strong, yet Zoro said he couldn't kill his boredom in monster form
3- Luffy almost lost to Monet fodder
4- Zoro had his 1vs1 against an ally to Hodi when Sanji had to share a subordinate with Jinbe
5- Fujitora is stronger than Doflamingo, yet he didn't get stomped when Smoker got stomped in 2 panels and Sanji got mid low-diffed
6- Pica is stronger than Vergo, yet he could accomplish nothing much so far on Zoro despite 2 skirmiches, yet Vergo broke Sanji's leg in one hit

Compare these battles to the fights Zoro has fought. Zoro has fought nothing but fodders.

Re-read the manga dude. He fought stronger opponents than Sanji and Smoker, stomping some and stalemating others

Its actually very close and Law being stronger than Vergo is arguable. Vergo was known for his stupidity and cockiness. DD himself said on the Den den that Law wasn't strong enough to get through Vergo's Haki. If Vergo had known this the outcome would've been different. Law had to cut a whole mountain in order to beat a Vergo that was coming at him head first.

It's like i've said. Manga says A, wankers say B. Again, Law was sure he would win regardless of Vergo's mindset. How could you discuss rationally with such a close-minded thought?

That's not the point. The point is that to Law, Vergo with Haki armor was the same as Vergo without it, he'd cut through it no matter what. Same with WB, just because Law can cut a WB coming at him head on doesn't mean in any way shape or form that he's above WB. Lets say Mihawk comes at Law head first, Law cuts him up, does that mean Law>Mihawk? No. It means Mihawk got careless and cocky.

Wouldn't have changed anything. See above. The manga clearly depicted Law as the superior opponent regardless of his following doings, he would have lost

Your indirectly saying that 30% of Kaido is more than enough to give Fujitora a run for his money...

No i'm saying that if they think they have 30% of chance to defeat Kaido, it would mean they possess a strength not allowing them to get low-diffed by an admiral

 

[Forbidden Tale]

When did he say that?

I'm thinking the same Lol Rayleigh probably meant Luffy could hold his own against an Admiral. Beating an Admiral in just two years is just too much.

didn't he say something like ''I'll teach you how to fight a logia'' or something like that

He didn't say that directly, but:

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[-Akuma-]

No one got the better of the other. It's what you call stalemate. And of course it's easier to put someone in a hole when you appear out of nowhere. Jozu punched Kuzan in the face making him bleed. Had we stop there, would you say Jozu > Kuzan? The gravity Fujitora used on Zoro was stronger than the one that pinned Law down to the point it cracked the ground completely, so saying he wasn't serious is ridiculous. If anything Zoro was even less BL than Fujitora considering he didn't even try to attack him to begin with. A dude he didn't even know came out of nowhere to attack him, most likely one of the reasons he only used one sword to counter-attack. Fuji is Sabo level. If Fuji can't stomp Zoro, neither could Sabo, yet he stomped Bastille. They aren't on the same level

No Fuji wasn't serious, just because he used stronger gravity than we he pinned down a ALREADY beaten Law doesn't mean he's serious. Fujitora this whole time was reluctant to fight the SH since the start of the arc. Fujitora was not serious when he faced Zoro. And the fact you say that Zoro wasn't more serious because he didn't attack first is ridiculous, Zoro never had the chance to attack first because he was originally going for DD. As for the coming out of nowhere, Fuji had clashed with Zoro for a couple of seconds unlike Jozu who smacked Kuzan as soon as he appeared, Zoro wasn't blind sided like the way you are making it out to be. If it was a serious fight I reckon Fuji could deal with Zoro rather easily. ​