[Discussion] Downside of reviving....

[Seventh Sama]

Madara with edo tensei. I'll list the reasons...

-Would lose Juubi powers(Since its inside of kaguya)
-Madara would lose rinnegan,sm and hashi's dna Since he'd no longer be a special edo, instead he'll be a regular edo.
-Being revived by the weakest user of edo tensei would result in being at 30% or less of his original strength, Since it goes Tobirama → part 1 oro → Kabuto → Current Oro.

So if madara is indeed dead then we might see him back as an edo but much,much weaker than the enhanced edo version of himself made by kabuto. It maye actually be a good thing to revive him in that weakened state because tobirama wouldn't have to worry about him breaking out of it.(and if he tries to do the hand seals to break out of it again, Tobirama could stop madz movements like what oro did to tobirama.)

Do you agree with this? *_*

 

[Kai NB]

Yes, he would lose his Juubi powers (same as the other Jinchurikis revived)

No, he would still have the Rinnegan. He had it before his real death. He also had Hashi's DNA before his death also. He's no different than any other Edo Tensei (He's considered special because he was the strongest, physically and mentally, freaking out even Obito)

There's absolutely nothing that says Tobirama is weaker than the others. Kabuto and Orochimaru have shown that it can be made stronger if their minds are not inhibited. Tobirama can do the same.

 

[Florio]

I think Madara would have everything since he was revived back to life with Hashirama's face on his stomach... Still this looks like a Edo Tensei plot hole to me. Edo Tensei needs to be explained more thoroughly, since it just seems to be working in plot's favor right now.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Yes, he would lose his Juubi powers (same as the other Jinchurikis revived)

No, he would still have the Rinnegan. He had it before his real death. He also had Hashi's DNA before his death also. He's no different than any other Edo Tensei (He's considered special because he was the strongest, physically and mentally, freaking out even Obito)

There's absolutely nothing that says Tobirama is weaker than the others. Kabuto and Orochimaru have shown that it can be made stronger if their minds are not inhibited. Tobirama can do the same.

He was considered a "special edo" because kabuto modified it with hashirama's dna thus making him stronger than his prime. :l
Why do you think madara said "How do you know the secrets of my body"?

Well, Chiyo said the edo tech was even more refined than tobirama's level of the said tech. It'd be an asspull if tobirama was somehow able to improve his edo tensei tech in death or something...

 

[Florio]

He was considered a "special edo" because kabuto modified it with hashirama's dna thus making him stronger than his prime. :l
Why do you think madara said "How do you know the secrets of my body"?

Well, Chiyo said the edo tech was even more refined than tobirama's level of the said tech. It'd be an asspull if tobirama was somehow able to improve his edo tensei tech in death or something...

I kind of agree but the only reasonable way to explain it is that he either developed it more after he showed her, or that he somehow copied Orochimaru's seals from the Edo Tensei he used on him.

 

[Secret Zetsu]

He was considered a "special edo" because kabuto modified it with hashirama's dna thus making him stronger than his prime. :l
Why do you think madara said "How do you know the secrets of my body"?

Well, Chiyo said the edo tech was even more refined than tobirama's level of the said tech. It'd be an asspull if tobirama was somehow able to improve his edo tensei tech in death or something...

Not sure though, because the same hashirama face on his chest before his death was there in his edo form, and when he was battling the 5 kages, he said that he did that before he died. Hashirama's DNA became a part of his being. He would also have edo rinnegans.

Also, Tobirama is the creator of the edo tensai, and the second hokage >.>

 

[Seventh Sama]

Not sure though, because the same hashirama face on his chest before his death was there in his edo form, and when he was battling the 5 kages, he said that he did that before he died. Hashirama's DNA became a part of his being. He would also have edo rinnegans.

Also, Tobirama is the creator of the edo tensai, and the second hokage >.>

Yeah, that's where kabuto put hashirama's dna at.... I mean kabuto put hashi's dna in sasuke's chest almost the same location where madara has the hashi face...

That doesn't change the fact that he's a weaker user of Edo tensei than oro & kabuto.

 

[V h o]

Shouldn't madara have everything he had bar the juubi? Madara had both eyes, and hashirama Dna and sage mode at his death. Although it does seem Tobirama edo will be weaker than oro/kabuto.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Shouldn't madara have everything he had bar the juubi? Madara had both eyes, and hashirama Dna and sage mode at his death. Although it does seem Tobirama edo will be weaker than oro/kabuto.

I highly doubt it, his Edo vessel would need hashi's DNA and have to drain hashirama of his sage mode again. But who knows kishi might break his own logic again and give madara those powers. :|

 

[V h o]

I highly doubt it, his Edo vessel would need hashi's DNA and have to drain hashirama of his sage mode again. But who knows kishi might break his own logic again and give madara those powers. :|

I thought edo revives the users with what they had when they died or when they were alive. So madara should come back with everything he had while he was alive since Obito revived him. Although I'm not even sure if he is dead since Kagaya's body is technically his, I think.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I thought edo revives the users with what they had when they died or when they were alive. So madara should come back with everything he had while he was alive since Obito revived him. Although I'm not even sure if he is dead since Kagaya's body is technically his, I think.

Well idk about that but its implied kabuto put shodai's DNA in madara.

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Anyways BZ basically transformed madara's body into kaguya thus killing him. I mean we saw madara's rinnegan get destroyed while he was transforming...

 

[V h o]

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Well idk about that but its implied kabuto put shodai's DNA in madara.

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Anyways BZ basically transformed madara's body into kaguya thus killing him. I mean we saw madara's rinnegan get destroyed while he was transforming...

That's true also, but didn't madara implant Hashirama dna into himself from before, hence the reason he unlocked the rinnegan in the beginning? But even so, doesn't edo revive the person from when they were previously alive? Madara was alive after obito revived him and he got hashirama sage mode and had his dna, so shouldn't madara revive back coming from that form, bar the juubi (I may be missing something). I mean Hashirama wasn't a special edo and he came back with sage mode.

 

[-ahhimane-]

If Madara revived as as an EDO....

then he'll be having
- rinnegan
- juubi's chakra (in short, all the bijuus' chakra)
- He'll be an edo version of current Madara before BZ took him down.
- Hashirama's DNA

example : Kinkaku and Ginkaku

 

[Seventh Sama]

If Madara revived as as an EDO....

then he'll be having
- rinnegan
- juubi's chakra (in short, all the bijuus' chakra)
- He'll be an edo version of current Madara before BZ took him down.
- Hashirama's DNA

example : Kinkaku and Ginkaku

No, madara would need the juubi/shinju sealed in him if he wants its power as an Edo(being the juubis jin as an Edo is impossible anyways). Just like how the Edo jins didn't retain the bijuus powers they had in life therefore Tobi had to put those bijuu back in them. The rest is debatable.

That's true also, but didn't madara implant Hashirama dna into himself from before, hence the reason he unlocked the rinnegan in the beginning? But even so, doesn't edo revive the person from when they were previously alive? Madara was alive after obito revived him and he got hashirama sage mode and had his dna, so shouldn't madara revive back coming from that form, bar the juubi (I may be missing something). I mean Hashirama wasn't a special edo and he came back with sage mode.

Well, madara did but kabuto recreated the rinnegan that edo madara had which was stated to be a fake one.

 

[-ahhimane-]

No, madara would need the juubi/shinju sealed in him if he wants its power as an Edo(being the juubis jin as an Edo is impossible anyways). Just like how the Edo jins didn't retain the bijuus powers they had in life therefore Tobi had to put those bijuu back in them. The rest is debatable.

I didn't said Edo Madara will be having Juubi sealed inside him. He would be having only Juubi's chakra. Edo Jins died after the extraction of the Bijuus'. Rikudo Madara died (if he's dead) as a Juubi Jinchuuriki without the extraction of the Juubi.

 

[Seventh Sama]

I didn't said Edo Madara will be having Juubi sealed inside him. He would be having only Juubi's chakra. Edo Jins died after the extraction of the Bijuus'. Rikudo Madara died (if he's dead) as a Juubi Jinchuuriki without the extraction of the Juubi.

Oh my bad, but I'm still uncertain about that. However I can't deny he could manifest that black chakra staff like how post bijuu extraction obito did.

 

[Secret Zetsu]

Yeah, that's where kabuto put hashirama's dna at.... I mean kabuto put hashi's dna in sasuke's chest almost the same location where madara has the hashi face...

That doesn't change the fact that he's a weaker user of Edo tensei than oro & kabuto.

No Kabuto didn't, Madara did...

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As you can see, madara was stabbed on the left side of his chest, where he implanted hashirama's dna..

 

[Seventh Sama]

No Kabuto didn't, Madara did...

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As you can see, madara was stabbed on the left side of his chest, where he implanted hashirama's dna..

I know but kabuto recreated the same thing with edo madara. Hence why the rinnegan edo mad had disappeared when he got revived, it was a just a fake one.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Madara was revived as a special edo the first time, but now he legitimately has his rinnegan when he died, and the Hashi Face is a part of his own body now, so if he's revived again he should have rinnegan and Mokuton still. He won't have juubi powers, but we know that it's possible to steal them, and Obito did it to him.

 

[evilmayo]

Madara with edo tensei. I'll list the reasons...

-Would lose Juubi powers(Since its inside of kaguya)
-Madara would lose rinnegan,sm and hashi's dna Since he'd no longer be a special edo, instead he'll be a regular edo.
-Being revived by the weakest user of edo tensei would result in being at 30% or less of his original strength, Since it goes Tobirama → part 1 oro → Kabuto → Current Oro...

So if madara is indeed dead then we might see him back as an edo but much,much weaker than the enhanced edo version of himself made by kabuto. It maye actually be a good thing to revive him in that weakened state because tobirama wouldn't have to worry about him breaking out of it.(and if he tries to do the hand seals to break out of it again, Tobirama could stop madz movements like what oro did to tobirama.)

Do you agree with this? *_*

IF madara was rezed with edo by ANYONE other than Kabuto, who altered his edo, madara would just come out as a old man with no eyes... just like how he died...

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