[VS] jiraiya & kakashi vs nagato & itachi

[TheAncientCenturion]

Sound travels in the air... Temari canceled that with wind by making a powerful cyclone which makes sense....a fireball won't cancel sound

When did I mention fire. . ?

 

[LustyLover]

Team two low difficulty.

 

[Demonic.]

How is Jiraiya going to get out Nagato sight? Frog song is damn nearly useless against Nagato. Sound genjutsu already shown it can be blown back. Shira Tensei>FS.

Jiraiya was already shown to retreat in order to gain an advantage when he fought pain. Jiraiya managed to trick Pain with a shadow clone and was hiding using Toad Subjugation. Jiraiya also slipped away from him by using a barrier. Don't say Jiraiya can't get out of Nagato's sight.. Shira Tensei doesn't last long the frogs aren't going to stop singing after a few seconds they'll keep the song going till Nagato is caught...shira Tensei is pointless and will only delay the sound waive for about a second.

 

[Demonic.]

When did I mention fire. . ?

Well unless you think Itachi has wind release cause that's the only counter to sound -_-

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Well unless you think Itachi has wind release cause that's the only counter to sound -_-

Nagato has fuuton. . . {

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[Demonic.]

Nagato has fuuton. . . {

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We've only ever seen him do it once as a kid during training, never in an actual fight. No reason to believe he can use it in a wide scale as he's probably used to using Shinra Tensei....and even if he does use it to repel the sound Kakashi snipes him with Kamui simple as that...we've seen how fast it is during the war arc even Tobi commented on how quick Kakashi was with it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Debating with this guy with the Hashirama pic is just terrible he's beyond incoherent and his way of thinking is ludicrous.

 

[Demonic.]

Debating with this guy with the Hashirama pic is just terrible he's beyond incoherent and his way of thinking is ludicrous.

I've seen your arguments and way of thinking on other threads....I wouldn't be talking that's all I'll say about that. I'm not even a Kakashi fan... Go complain to Kishi for giving Kakashi such an OP move dude.

 

[ARGUS]

Nagato & Itachi win rather easily

--Nagato can sense the kamui chakra built up well before its executed similar to how he sensed amaterasu, and would react by using ST right on Kakashi and Jiraiya before he snipes his neck off

--itachi can use amaterasu on kakashi and force him to overuse his kamui

--nagato can also use BT+soul rip to end either of the duo,, or overwhelm them thhrough ST/multiple summmons and shurado missiles

 

[Demonic.]

Nagato & Itachi win rather easily

--Nagato can sense the kamui chakra built up well before its executed similar to how he sensed amaterasu, and would react by using ST right on Kakashi and Jiraiya before he snipes his neck off

--itachi can use amaterasu on kakashi and force him to overuse his kamui

--nagato can also use BT+soul rip to end either of the duo,, or overwhelm them thhrough ST/multiple summmons and shurado missiles

A good argument. Nagato can sense it but he might be distracted taking on Sage Mode Jiraiya and his summons, and Kakashi can use a sneak attack. Even if Nagato senses it, I doubt he can dodge it he's not really known for speed.

Itachi using Amaterasu to force Kakashi to overuse Kamui isn't happening. Itachi can only use 3 MS techniques before having to rest in Part 1... And his stamina only got worse from then on. Kakashi improved his stamina and can spam Kamui a considerable amount of times. Pain already used missles on Jiraiya and he simply used foot speed to escape in base form.

 

[ARGUS]

A good argument. Nagato can sense it but he might be distracted taking on Sage Mode Jiraiya and his summons, and Kakashi can use a sneak attack. Even if Nagato senses it, I doubt he can dodge it he's not really known for speed.

Jiraiya is posing no threat whatsoever to nagato,,
his 3 boss summons werre canoncially one-shotted by ST from Deva (which is signifiicantly weaker than Nagato himself)
not only that but itachi is also here in this battle,
nagato doesnt need to dodge the kamui, all he needs to do is use ST right at kakashi, which would disupt his moveset and mind you would drain him significantly

Itachi using Amaterasu to force Kakashi to overuse Kamui isn't happening. Itachi can only use 3 MS techniques before having to rest in Part 1... And his stamina only got worse from then on. Kakashi improved his stamina and can spam Kamui a considerable amount of times. Pain already used missles on Jiraiya and he simply used foot speed to escape in base form.

--@Bold - where did you get this statement, not only that but itachi managed to use his MS techs to a much higher level in part 2 despite him being in a sick state, seeing how he used susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, and was coughing up blood as well,

--@Bold (2) - Kakashi can never spam kamui, i dont know where you are going with this, on top of the fact that he was charged up by kyuubis chakkra as well,

--Pein didnt even use deva and asura who compile for over 50% of his fire power,
jiraiya evading missiles is nothing since they are much much slower than amaterasu, and have a no way near as much DC as susanoo slashes

 

[V h o]

Debating with this guy with the Hashirama pic is just terrible he's beyond incoherent and his way of thinking is ludicrous.

I'm surprised you even tried. I mean both people from team 2 can potentially solo. Itachi alone solos both with tsukuyomi if it's still unrestricted.

 

[wael reda]

kakashi warping nagato in the biggining and it will be jiraia ,kakashi vs itachi

 

[Demonic.]

Jiraiya is posing no threat whatsoever to nagato,,
his 3 boss summons werre canoncially one-shotted by ST from Deva (which is signifiicantly weaker than Nagato himself)
not only that but itachi is also here in this battle,
nagato doesnt need to dodge the kamui, all he needs to do is use ST right at kakashi, which would disupt his moveset and mind you would drain him significantly

--@Bold - where did you get this statement, not only that but itachi managed to use his MS techs to a much higher level in part 2 despite him being in a sick state, seeing how he used susanoo, amaterasu and tsukuyomi, and was coughing up blood as well,

--@Bold (2) - Kakashi can never spam kamui, i dont know where you are going with this, on top of the fact that he was charged up by kyuubis chakkra as well,

--Pein didnt even use deva and asura who compile for over 50% of his fire power,
jiraiya evading missiles is nothing since they are much much slower than amaterasu, and have a no way near as much DC as susanoo slashes

Itachi used his MS techniques to a much higher level in part 2? You mean the 1 Tsukuyomi, the Amaterasu he used to consume Sasuke's Fireball, the Amaterasu he used to set his curse mark wing ablaze, and 5 minutes of Susano that killed him?

Kakashi used Kamui a considerable amount of times along with Rakiri before he received chakra from the 9 tails. I used this as an argument against Kakashi once myself but someone already corrected me on this.

I like how you mention Amaterasu's speed despite Kamui being even faster. Itachi can not counter a Space Time technique. Unlike Tsukuyomi Kamui doesn't require eye contact. But if you think Itachi still wins despite Kamui then so be it.

 

[LustyLover]

Lmfao, team two utterly rapes. You're fighting a losing fight, Senju.

 

[Bronze]

Those retards who think Nagato is reacting to Kamui should just kill themselves. Kamui caught Obito off guard, blitzed through BM Naruto, cut Gedo Mazo's arm at the process of summoning Jutsu, and surpassed 8th Gate and FTG. Nagato has no reaction to this attack. Kakashi needs to Kamui Nagato right off the bat, then help out Jiraiya to fight against Itachi.

Team 1 mid diff.​

 

[LustyLover]

Those retards who think Nagato is reacting to Kamui should just kill themselves. Kamui caught Obito off guard, blitzed through BM Naruto, cut Gedo Mazo's arm at the process of summoning Jutsu, and surpassed 8th Gate and FTG. Nagato has no reaction to this attack. Kakashi needs to Kamui Nagato right off the bat, then help out Jiraiya to fight against Itachi.

Team 1 mid diff.​

Jiraiya & kakashi vs nagato & itachi

Conditions: itachi is healthy and nagato has his legs and jiraiya starts in sm and kakashi when he fought sasuke

Area five lage vs madara
Distance 25 meters
Intel full
Intent kill

With full intel they won't be caught off guard. Pretty sure Itachi can lift his finger faster than Kakashi can look down to avoid visual Genjutsu and then activate Kamui.

 

[Demonic.]

With full intel they won't be caught off guard. Pretty sure Itachi can lift his finger faster than Kakashi can look down to avoid visual Genjutsu and then activate Kamui.

Itachi's Genjutsu won't work on Kakashi excluding Tsukuyomi, which he already has intel on. Kamui doesn't require eye contact. No way Itachi avoids it.

 

[Demonic.]

Those retards who think Nagato is reacting to Kamui should just kill themselves. Kamui caught Obito off guard, blitzed through BM Naruto, cut Gedo Mazo's arm at the process of summoning Jutsu, and surpassed 8th Gate and FTG. Nagato has no reaction to this attack. Kakashi needs to Kamui Nagato right off the bat, then help out Jiraiya to fight against Itachi.

Team 1 mid diff.​

^^^ Finally someone smart comes along.

 

[LustyLover]

Itachi's Genjutsu won't work on Kakashi excluding Tsukuyomi, which he already has intel on. Kamui doesn't require eye contact. No way Itachi avoids it.

Itachi's Genjutsu will work on Kakashi. Breaking it and getting caught in it are two different things. By the time Kakashi breaks it Itachi would of already converged upon Kakashi's location, and once that happens Kakashi won't be able to use Kamui. He even stated he can't use Kamui up close. Or Itachi can simply put him in it and then prep an H.I. to use against Kakashi. If he breaks the Genjutsu in the time before H.I. is activated, it's still too late; it takes 1-3 seconds tops to activate. Kakashi wouldn't be able to react in time especially since he doesn't know that Itachi is even using it. Nagato could distract Jiraiya via ST so he cannot defend Kakashi.


As for Gama Rinsho? Like Centurion said, sound Genjutsu has already been canonically countered by basic Fuuton.

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Nagato has Fuuton. In fact, he mastered it beyond normal means because of his possession of the Rinnegan.

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Also, Jiraiya cannot use Gama Rinsho without affecting Kakashi.

If Nagato alone is caught in G.R., Itachi can break him out of it. If both of them are caught in it, Itachi can cast Tsukuyomi on Nagato to break him out of it, and once Nagato is broken out of it he can break Itachi out of it.

There are too many ways to avoid G.R. with team two.