Explaining how Yin Seal / Byakugo is futile against Juuken Style

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The Yin seal debunked

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The Yin seal is simply a container for a mass amount of chakra to be stored, correct? the yin seal is still connected to the Chakra pathway because if it wasn't chakra from the seal wouldn't be able to course through the body. BECAUSE it is connected to that pathway is why Juuken will stop Yin seals chakra from entering the body once a technique like 64 palms has been used.

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If the entrance to the pathway is being blocked off then it is impossible to escape with normal chakra. Naruto was only able to break free of it because of the QUALITY of his chakra, not the quantity (Although since he has an abundance of Kyyubi chakra, it may of helped him eve further)

The kyyubi chakra back then served as a secondary source of chakra too becuase it was technically sealed, Kurama, with narutos permission is allowed to supply him with chakra. Notice how kuramas chakra didnt just unblock all the pathways in a flash? this is because naruto had to focus on supplying enough powerful chakra to override the blockage.
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Without doing that he could not of gained the chakra he did. Tsunade and Sakuras case is completely different because they do not have the chakra powerful enough to override and by blocking the chakra Neji would have effectively "sealed" that extra supply of chakra, of course not on a long term basis but for the duration of a fight.

To block or restrict something is called sealing for those who dont know what im talking about.

If the juuken were to be applied AFTER the seal has been release then the situation still hasnt changed for Sakura or Tsuande because the tubes are still locked from any chakra coming in or out. They may still be able to slightly move because only 64 out of 361 points are blocked but it will render any movement to use jutsu impossible. and with that, they cant use Taijutsu.


Byakugo Debunked

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Not to mention that Juuken also attacks internal organs and although it is true that Byakugo can restore the organs but if that chakra cannot be used to heal then they are as normal as any other shinobi. Kakashi even said organs durability cannot be alter so they remain fragile. If chakra isn't running through the pathways then chakra can not be supplied in order to use Byakugo.

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Even if Byakugo could still heal if the pathways were blocked, damage to the internal has been shown to regenerate slower as shown when Tsunades body was cut in half. All katsuya did was place the body back together, regardless of weather Tsunade had little chakra or not is irrelevant because the fact she was able to heal meant she had enough chakra to heal herself. The seal on her head proves this (bottom right):

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When she completely runs out of chakra, the seal dissapears:
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But wait... She needed karins healing properties to recover?
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this then means that if too many organs are severly damaged at the same time, it will take her a while to recover even with Byakugo. Or it could mean that the regeneration of her own healing technique (Byakugo) would have taken too long and so Karin accelerated the healing process. The second is more plausible but either way recovering organs is a big deal.

So with this said, not only would she be dealing with the blocked pathways if juuken doesn't stop Byakugo but she would also have her organs to worry about. and since Juuken does internal damage on basic damage that adds even further to the problem. Going for the brain now is a wise decision since the body can not function without the brain.

This is all assuming that Byakugo works with the pathway blocked which it obviously wouldn't but just for the people who says it does work with the pathway blocked.

Have i missed something? tell me​
 

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She didn't have enough chakra to heal herself. The seal doesn't mean anything. When sakura and tsunade were healing the alliance tsunade said "I don't have enough chakra to perform medical ninjustu" yet she was still in her youthful form and had the seal.

And tsunade healing wasn't focused on herself it was on the kages.
 

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Yin seal uses to much chakra. It was demonstrated when Tsunade gave chakra to Ohnoki for Dust Release and last chapter where Sakura offered to help.
I think it regenerates the damage from Juuken but it needs way more time to do so since Gentle fist goes for chakra points and weak spots
 

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I totally agree
Hinata > Foddakura
 

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She didn't have enough chakra to heal herself. The seal doesn't mean anything. When sakura and tsunade were healing the alliance tsunade said "I don't have enough chakra to perform medical ninjustu" yet she was still in her youthful form and had the seal.

But its evident she did because i even proved that if the seal isnt visible, she runs completely out of chakra. When was this? and if you think about it, she came out or a fight from madara and then got sliced, the fact that katsuya offeed to put tsunades body back together implies she could of healed herself had katsuya had done it. A whole shinobi force being healed would of been impossible by herself.
 

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Bull$#!t
Cell Regenration is regenrating basic unit of body and highest lvl of Medical skill.
Even fodder medics were able to save hinata after Neji jyuuken stomped her
 

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The only thing that was ever stated about Naruto in the beginning was the amount of chakra that he was able to use, not the quality of it. So your assumption that it wasn't quantity of chakra that opened the chakra points is wrong. The seal possesses much more chakra than Naruto had at the time, so it would easily be able to open the chakra points. Also, Tsunade was dying and used the last of her chakra trying to heal the other Kage, so your assumption that she needed Karin to he herself because the seal wasn't able to is false.
 

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I totally agree
Hinata > Foddakura

Wooooah i wouldnt go that far. Neji has displayed feats to take them out. Not hinata.

Yin seal uses to much chakra. It was demonstrated when Tsunade gave chakra to Ohnoki for Dust Release and last chapter where Sakura offered to help.
I think it regenerates the damage from Juuken but it needs way more time to do so since Gentle fist goes for chakra points and weak spots

But the pathway itself isn't been damaged so technically she cant heal whats not damaged. its her internal organs that are being damaged
 

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But the pathway itself isn't been damaged so technically she cant heal whats not damaged. its her internal organs that are being damaged

Naruto was able to open his chakra pathway with small amount of kyuubi's chakra not even going 1 tail mode
and bro CELL regenration.
if u know what CELL is and where it present
 

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But its evident she did because i even proved that if the seal isnt visible, she runs completely out of chakra. When was this? and if you think about it, she came out or a fight from madara and then got sliced, the fact that katsuya offeed to put tsunades body back together implies she could of healed herself had katsuya had done it. A whole shinobi force being healed would of been impossible by herself.
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The seal doesn't mean anything sigh

if you loose the seal it doesn't mean you have no more chakra. You can loose your seal and still have enough base reserves. It just so happened that she had no more chakra when she lost the seal because she was using everything she got.

Plural 2 people. Tsunade and sakura healed the alliance.
 

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I think they can open the chakra points by releasing the seal, not that it matters as Neji can just close them again and there's nothing they can do that time
 

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You can't use Tsunade cut in half in your thread for an example. Because she wasn't healing herself alone, she would have blown that joined n left those clowns in about 15 if she had decided to heal herself. Also she wasn't in byakugou mode when she was cut in half at least we can't prove she was.

I disagree with you claiming their byakugou chakra does not have quality. I would need you to prove that if you were to include it in your thread. I'd like to believe such large quantity of chakra stored in that one point would be pretty dense. But this whole thing should be excluded since it cannot be proven how the quality of chakra should be to unblock a chakra point.

Also it's a seal. And it is in the way of one chakra point by the looks of it I doubt it would have any different an effect if someone with gentle fist struck it like would be striking a kyubi seal or the seal that bounds neji himself. Alot more mechanics go into sealing jutsu that might think.

I believe that the byakugou seal can reopen closed chakra points.
 
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The only thing that was ever stated about Naruto in the beginning was the amount of chakra that he was able to use, not the quality of it. So your assumption that it wasn't quantity of chakra that opened the chakra points is wrong. The seal possesses much more chakra than Naruto had at the time, so it would easily be able to open the chakra points. Also, Tsunade was dying and used the last of her chakra trying to heal the other Kage, so your assumption that she needed Karin to he herself because the seal wasn't able to is false.

And we now know that Tailed beasts chakra far exceed that of normal chakra in power so what wasnt stated then has more recently been stated. Regardless of how much chakra Naruto had it wouldnt of mattered because he would of needed a secondary source of chakra to break free anyway. otherwise it would of taken days of recovery by normal means.

Again, she healed the other kage yet still had the seal active. She transfered chakra to katsuya so she could heal the kage. After that the seal was still active.

Bull$#!t
Cell Regenration is regenrating basic unit of body and highest lvl of Medical skill.
Even fodder medics were able to save hinata after Neji jyuuken stomped her

Forgetting one small detail. they unblocked them externally. The person who is being affected only has one means of countering it. keep inn mind it wasn't just one medic who tended to hinata. Her internal organs were damaged too. and even after that she was still injured during Naruto and Neji's fight.

Just becuase its the pinacle of med nin doesnt mean is capable of doing everything. I take it you didnt read it properly or you wouldnt of said that Blaze.

Yin seal uses to much chakra. It was demonstrated when Tsunade gave chakra to Ohnoki for Dust Release and last chapter where Sakura offered to help.
I think it regenerates the damage from Juuken but it needs way more time to do so since Gentle fist goes for chakra points and weak spots

But the pathway itself isn't been damaged so technically she cant heal whats not damaged. its her internal organs that are being damaged
 

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Ok nice to know.....
 

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I think they can open the chakra points by releasing the seal, not that it matters as Neji can just close them again and there's nothing they can do that time

???????bro
Release the Seal again
 

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Losing the seal doesn't mean you have no chakra. Tsunade still had chakra part 1
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I analysed this theory of yours and came to the conclusion that it is wrong.
 

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This has been countered so many times before.... I know you know you are wrong and all you wanted with this is to start a shitstorm.
 

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Losing the seal doesn't mean you have no chakra. Tsunade still had chakra part 1
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I agree, Tsunade doesn't become fatigued and cannot move because she is out of chakra. It happens because the backlash of using those jutsu kick in. After her body has adjusted to the effects the jutsu has on her she reverts back to her usual self. At least that's how it happened in part 1. We never got to see in shippuden cuz dan saved her.
 
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