[VS] Itachi enters the gauntlet

[Rιver]

Bobboober threw me off, with his statement. I never meant to talk about Kakashi if that what you guy thought I was getting at, but Itachi's statement only.



Read above, you lost my hold point to where I was getting at.

Itachi stated that a blood relative of him (the Uchiha) along with the Sharingan can only break free from it. Apparently not all agree with this, which is ludicrous, but this was pretty much known fact already; so if your attempt was to support our argument, you've successfully done so. If your attempt was the opposite, not only did you just fail, but you can also lose all hope of proving this fact wrong now.

... Thanks for the Viz scan.​

i think that means only an ms user can stop his tsukuyomi alone.

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How on Earth have you come to this conclusion, especially when a non-MS user (Sasuke) has already broken through? You really lack comprehension skills my dear friend.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

i think that means only an ms user can stop his tsukuyomi alone.

It also sounds like two options, since MS wasn't specifically stated to be able to break it other then Sharingan and KKG.

 

[Strict]

i think that means only an ms user can stop his tsukuyomi alone.

Can you tell me, why you are searching for excuses? Itachi introduced his own Mangekyo Sharingan, but he didn't say you need the same eyes to break Tsukuyomi; he said Sharingan and Uchiha blood. Period. Some people simply can't acknowledge Itachi's power.

 

[Phonas]

Zetsu was confused as to why Sasuke's regular Sharingan broke him out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. What he failed to realize was that Itachi was not utilizing the 1 second, instant Tsukuyomi.

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[Rιver]

I think we can all agree already that Sasuke broke through the Tsukuyomi with sheer skill and due to his advantage of being a blood relative with matured Sharingan. And as Zetsu noted,

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, possibly the instantaneous one.​

 

[Phonas]

I think we can all agree already that Sasuke broke through the Tsukuyomi with sheer skill and due to his advantage of being a blood relative with matured Sharingan. And as Zetsu noted,

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, possibly the instantaneous one.​

Quick and instant are two different concepts. Itachi rigged every aspect of the battle and completely held back all the way through. If Itachi did use the instant Tsukuyomi, then that would have defeated the purpose of trying to push Orochimaru out since Sasuke would have dropped dead, rendering that goal impossible.

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^Time is passing by outside the realm of Tsukuyomi. Look at Zetsu's reaction and the exclamation mark.

 

[Rιver]

Quick and instant are two different concepts. Itachi rigged every aspect of the battle and completely held back all the way through. If Itachi did use the instant Tsukuyomi, then that would have defeated the purpose of trying to push Orochimaru out since Sasuke would have dropped dead, rendering that goal impossible.

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^Time is passing by outside the realm of Tsukuyomi. Look at Zetsu's reaction and the exclamation mark.

Of course, it's not like he'd say 'Well that went instant', would he? Although the word didn't describe the situation perfectly, it did suit the sentence much better than the actual word itself.

I wonder what you are trying to prove with your scan...? Zetsu was not affected by the Genjutsu, thus cannot possibly react to their actions inside the illusion world if both don't move an inch - unless you are trying to say that they fought in two realms at the same time, which is utterly ludicrous. While if it was viceversa, the outcome wouldn't change.​

 

[Eternal Mangekyo Sojobo]

Healthy Itachi stops at 9 , and honestly it should be a draw against Obito .

 

[Phonas]

Of course, it's not like he'd say 'Well that went instant', would he? Although the word didn't describe the situation perfectly, it did suit the sentence much better than the actual word itself.

I wonder what you are trying to prove with your scan...? Zetsu was not affected by the Genjutsu, thus cannot possibly react to their actions inside the illusion world if both don't move an inch - unless you are trying to say that they fought in two realms at the same time, which is utterly ludicrous. While if it was viceversa, the outcome wouldn't change.​

Because more than a second went by outside the Tsukuyomi world, hence Zetsu's reaction. If more than 1 second passed, then Itachi wasn't controlling the time of his Tsukuyomi. It doesn't matter if Zetsu can see what's going on in the illusion or not, because everything that's happening in the illusion is just a feeling/sensation where time doesn't exist. However, in Sasuke's case, Itachi allowed for time to continue. Normally, like in Kakashi's case, 72 hours or however much time Itachi wants = 1 second. The 72 hours is just a mental perception, not really 72 hours. Like I said before, it's 72 hours worth of mental torture.

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[genii96]

Itachi stated that a blood relative of him (the Uchiha) along with the Sharingan can only break free from it. Apparently not all agree with this, which is ludicrous, but this was pretty much known fact already; so if your attempt was to support our argument, you've successfully done so. If your attempt was the opposite, not only did you just fail, but you can also lose all hope of proving this fact wrong now.

... Thanks for the Viz scan.​

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How on Earth have you come to this conclusion, especially when a non-MS user (Sasuke) has already broken through? You really lack comprehension skills my dear friend.​

nowhere in that viz does blood relation come out,and sasuke used the CS lvl 2 to escape iirc. Itachi himself said sasuke needed the ms

It also sounds like two options, since MS wasn't specifically stated to be able to break it other then Sharingan and KKG.

actually,ms is a kkg too,different from a regular sharingan, an uchiha can awaken 2 kkg,sharingan and ms. Note than ms wasnt a popular concept there too,as it was just introduced back then. Also it makes sense that an ms can counter a special genjutsu of another ms,rather than saying a mere 3t ccan break a tsuki. Sasuke has the sharingan when itachi gave it to him,he ended up in a hospital. He only broke out the other time because he used the cs lvl2. In that fight itachi also said that he needed the ms to face him when he was in a tsuki.

 

[genii96]

Because more than a second went by outside the Tsukuyomi world, hence Zetsu's reaction. If more than 1 second passed, then Itachi wasn't controlling the time of his Tsukuyomi. It doesn't matter if Zetsu can see what's going on in the illusion or not, because everything that's happening in the illusion is just a feeling/sensation where time doesn't exist. However, in Sasuke's case, Itachi allowed for time to continue. Normally, like in Kakashi's case, 72 hours or however much time Itachi wants = 1 second. The 72 hours is just a mental perception, not really 72 hours. Like I said before, it's 72 hours worth of mental torture.

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if you are being tortured for 72 hours,you have 72 hous to breeak free. The 1 secod is for the real world,however inside the tsukuyomi it isnt one second.

 

[Phonas]

if you are being tortured for 72 hours,you have 72 hous to breeak free. The 1 secod is for the real world,however inside the tsukuyomi it isnt one second.

No, the Tsukuyomi that Itachi used on Kakashi lasted for 1 second. Look what Kakashi said: "Though it felt like 3 days....."

 

[Strict]

I'm tired to debate with fools!

Viz says Kekkei Genkai, and Kekkei Genkai refers to their DNA or blood! You need the Kekkei Genkai in order to awake the Sharingan. Itachi said that you need the Sharingan and the Kekkei Genkai. So if Kekkei Genkai means Sharingan, did Itachi actually say, you need Sharingan and Sharingan to beat me?! The fact, that other translations speak of blood further states that Kekkei Genkai and DNA/blood are synonyms; it is even translated as "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit". Your foolishness makes me sick. Honestly.

And Itachi said that without the MS, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance, and not that you need the MS to break Tsukuyomi.

And the 72h inside Tsukuyomi are not physical, the victim only perceives it as 72 hours, but in fact it's instant. Itachi only makesit the victim feel as 72 hours.

 

[genii96]

I'm tired to debate with fools!

Viz says Kekkei Genkai, and Kekkei Genkai refers to their DNA or blood! You need the Kekkei Genkai in order to awake the Sharingan. Itachi said that you need the Sharingan and the Kekkei Genkai. So if Kekkei Genkai means Sharingan, did Itachi actually say, you need Sharingan and Sharingan to beat me?! The fact, that other translations speak of blood further states that Kekkei Genkai and DNA/blood are synonyms; it is even translated as "a technique limited to inheritance by blood" or "Bloodline Limit". Your foolishness makes me sick. Honestly.

And Itachi said that without the MS, Sasuke doesn't stand a chance, and not that you need the MS to break Tsukuyomi.

And the 72h inside Tsukuyomi are not physical, the victim only perceives it as 72 hours, but in fact it's instant. Itachi only makesit the victim feel as 72 hours.

kkg refers to blood?Lol. It is an ability or a tech used by a sertain bloodline.
You even said it yourself,"techniques limited to inheritance by blood", the technique is the kkg,however only a certain bloodline can inherit it,the blood isnt the kkg,it allows you to awaken it. Is blood a technique or an ability? Because a kkg is either a technique?,so if i were to ask you of the uchiha's kkg you would say blood?Lol.


Oh and the mangeyko sharingan is another kkg altogether,read up

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[Strict]

Again, then he would have said Mangekyo Sharingan. But he said Kekkei Genkai. And other translations even refer to blood. This means, that this two terms are related, unless you want to say that translations make such a sensible mistake. Always these excuses. It was translated into both Kekkei Genkai and blood. Even other languages refer to blood, saying that you need the same blood along with the Sharingan to beat him.

The wikia you posted supports this as well:

Itachi stated that Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a Sharingan user that shares the same blood as him

I'm done with this ignorance, so I won't reply to any further post disagreeing.

 

[genii96]

Again, then he would have said Mangekyo Sharingan. But he said Kekkei Genkai. And other translations even refer to blood. This means, that this two terms are related, unless you want to say that translations make such a sensible mistake. Always these excuses. It was translated into both Kekkei Genkai and blood. Even other languages refer to blood, saying that you need the same blood along with the Sharingan to beat him.

The wikia you posted supports this as well:



I'm done with this ignorance, so I won't reply to any further post disagreeing.

other translations are useless if the viz says something else. The databooks also dont add blood to the list of things required to break tsukuyomi.
Just because he didnt say ms dosent mean it isnt. Its not like he was giving kakashi a lesson on his eyes,why would he bluntly tell kakashi how to stop him?. When sasuke came didnt he say ms there?,and while he trapped him in a tsuluyomi did he not remind him of not having the ms?

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and after it was broken,zetsu was shocked that a regular sharingan overcam,e the ms

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Why would he be?,if a sharingan and blood is all you need?

Even itachi was surprised

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why would he be?,if sasuke met all the requirements?

Blood isnt a kkg,an uchiha has 2 potential kkg's,sharingan and mangeyko sharingan. Nothing else. Unless you can bring out anu other kkg they possessed,there is nothing to discuss,the ignorant one is you,arguing against viz in favour of another translation,even the databooks disagree.

 

[Strict]

Other translations are not useless if the Viz says something. Not bothering myself to reply to the rest.

 

[genii96]

Viz is the official translation isnt it? And databooks also support it somewhat. So if i bring a viz scan,you will rebuff with a different scan?
There is nothing to reply to,blood/dna isnt a kkg,so its not what itachi meant.
Onlt 2 kkgs exist in the uchiha,sharingan and ms

 

[Strict]

You are certainly don't know what you talk about. But it's a waste of time to prove you wrong.

 

[King Of Pop]

Anyway, Itachi takes everyone out with genjutsu, except for EMS Sasuke and Nagato. The latter two will lose via a Totsuka stab + Yata Mirror.

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now you are wanking him. he loses to those two. totsuka taking out sasuke when it cant pierce through sasukes soosano? thats a joke, itachi cant hang with sasuke long enough, he dies mid dif.