Killer Bee vs SM Naruto and SM Jiraiya

[Dark Riku]

Killer Bee wins.

 

[Strict]

Lately I would like to leave my short opinion on this match up, too.

I agree with Flori on subject Bijuu-Transformation.

Swamp of the Underground is indeed the perfect counter for the Bijuu-Transformation. Hachibi's physical strength is not necessarily stronger than a boss summon's; seeing how even humans could keep him in rein. The swamp which was created by base Jiraiya fix huge summon was called pathetic by Jiraiya himself, as he was on Tsunade's drugs. He implied that, if he wasn't on drugs, could let this huge summon sink - in Base. A swamp in Sage Mode, followed by the Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique which even put the Kyuubi down in the impact, would put the Hachibi in a desperate situation. Apart from the Bijuu Transformation, I don't see Bee overpowering two Sages with summonings, Ma and Pa.

As FloriGlori's post didn't meet with a denial, I suppose that we came to an agreement actually?

 

[TRE MERCER]

Natural energy in the body give automatic sensing. Naruto said that during pain arc. As for needle jizo, it's true. Remember Amaterasu failed to burn Madara's normal hair when needle jizo's hair are comparable to steel

So why didn't he sense Machine path sneak up on him and snatch his arm off? Lmao Jiraiya said the toad mouth trap was so invincible Amaterasu burned through that like it was nothing do you believe Needle jizo is even comparable? Not to mention Jiraiya hair will still be on him when it turns back normal lmao your not a good Jiraiya debater bro.

 

[Beans2]

Your not a good Jiraiya debater you think he can sense and you aslo think Needle Jizo can stop Amaterasu.

...I'm pretty knowledgeable on Jiraiya and he's right. Jiraiya does have some sensing abilities and needle jizo can counter amaterasu if utilized correctly.

@FloriGlori - in addition to the swamp, Jiraiya can slam down Gamabunta ontop of the Hachibi to further sink him into the swamp. Dark Swamp from below + food cart destroyer from above = completely submerged tailed beast. I mean if Bunta can hold down Kurama he can hold down the Hachibi.

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(not to mention bunta already solo'd a tailed beast, the Ichibi)

And then once it's sunk, Jiraiya can dry it up with a massive katon (same strategy the alliance used against the juubi)

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killer bee is now imprisoned in a swampy coffin gg

 

[FloriGlori]

@FloriGlori - in addition to the swamp, Jiraiya can slam down Gamabunta ontop of the Hachibi to further sink him into the swamp. Dark Swamp from below + food cart destroyer from above = completely submerged tailed beast. I mean if Bunta can hold down Kurama he can hold down the Hachibi.

I already pointed that out in my initial post.

Considering the immediate reply to his Bijuu transformation would be Yomi Numa from below [

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] followed by Yatai Kuzuchi from above [

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] - thus deeply submerging him into an adhesive swamp - that nonsense isn't happening. Without Bijuu Dama, though, he stands no chance against these two.

The discussion was about whether or not Bee would be able to escape once already submerged - which he clearly won't.

 

[Rιver]

I already pointed that out in my initial post.



The discussion was about whether or not Bee would be able to escape once already submerged - which he clearly won't.

I wonder why he cannot use his

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to jump a considerable distance, return in his base form while in the mud and from there absorb the mud with Samehada. While he is absorbing, Naruto and Jiraiya will most likely assume the main body is still the Hachibi, which after a few good hits turns into a tentacle.​

 

[Bronze]

Oh my. Of course it does. Force correlates with speed. An example: If you want to thump the table, you have to move your fist down with speed. Moving it down in slow motion won't create any considerable force. Force is dependant on speed.

The same applies to Bijuu Hachimaki: Hachibi needs to spin quickly, or else there isn't enough force. Taking a look at Naruto on the following page is already enough to conclude that Hachibi rotates at high speeds.

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The force is dependent on the situation, in which Bee against Jiraiya's Doton does not need to.​

What shock wave are you talking about?

Bijuu shock-wave.​

Hachibi's body is Hachibi's body, its strength is always the same. When Bee fully transforms into (that term should already speak for itself) Hachibi, he simply makes use of its regular body. That supposed difference sounds much like invented.

False. Hachibi against number of Komugakure was restrained by chains, whereas Bee using the transformation can restrain the likes of Kurama and Sanbi; as result, Bee has greater strength in Bijuu mode than it's Bijuu.​

 

[Strict]

The force is dependent on the situation,​

What the...

 

[Bronze]

What the...

Killer Bee would not need to release that much force against Jiraiya's Doton. So, the amount of force released is dependent on the situation he is in.​

 

[Strict]

No. To spin, he needs speed. The swamp hinders him to accelerate.

 

[Bronze]

No. To spin, he needs speed. The swamp hinders him to accelerate.

Force = Speed x Mass. For the swamp to render him immobilized, he would need an equal mass or greater. Manda, a Bijuu sized dwarfed the swamp: [

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]. Hachibi, being a mountain sized monster will easily move out and repel the Jutsu.​

 

[Strict]

1. Hachibi has Gamabunta's size.
2. This swamp was created by Base Jiraiya who was on drugs; he stated that without this influence, he would've created a swamp big enough for the snake to sink. With the boost of the SM on top of this, he creates an even bigger.
3. Force = mass x acceleration

 

[Bronze]

1. Hachibi has Gamabunta's size.
2. This swamp was created by Base Jiraiya who was on drugs; he stated that without this influence, he would've created a swamp big enough for the snake to sink. With the boost of the SM on top of this, he creates an even bigger.
3. Force = mass x acceleration

Hachibi's tails are bigger than Bijuu: [

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].​

 

[Beans2]

1. Jiraiya who was on drugs.

jiraiya has some serious addictions, it really hinders his full potential

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[Strict]

Hachibi's tails are bigger than Bijuu: [

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].​

No.

Same size as the four Tails [

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], same size as Kurama [

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], while Kurama is as big as the rest.

 

[Bronze]

No.

Same size as the four Tails [

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], same size as Kurama [

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], while Kurama is as big as the rest.

Open your eyes.

Hachibi manipulates its tails as desired, and the scan I posted showed it equalled to that of Sanbi.​

 

[Strict]

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[Bogard]

So why didn't he sense Machine path sneak up on him and snatch his arm off? Lmao Jiraiya said the toad mouth trap was so invincible Amaterasu burned through that like it was nothing do you believe Needle jizo is even comparable? Not to mention Jiraiya hair will still be on him when it turns back normal lmao your not a good Jiraiya debater bro.

If we really want to look at inconsistencies like this one, i feel the need to remark that Jubi Jin Madara failed to notice BZ's sneak attack despite possessing one of the greatest sensing ability in this manga, plus 5 limbo clones that could be operating as Rinnengan shared vision around him. And it's only one example of inconsistency.

Though it's possible that because Jiraya wasn't in a battle situation he failed to notice it in time. We've seen that it can happen many times in this manga. It doesn't change the fact that he should normally have sensing considering it's a manga fact that any Sage user should possess it [

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Concerning the needle jizo i also feel the need to make you remark Jiraya can throw them off his body, so really i think it's more like your knowledge of the manga that is lacking

 

[Dantesco]

With jiraiya immobilizing the beast and naruto as the main attack force they could win.
Rasenshuriken already have been shown damaging a stronger beast and his tentacles have been cut by less powerful attacks.