[VS] Tsunade vs Darui

[Haizaki]

Darui rips.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Tsuande mid diff at most low diff if we r including slug ...

 

[Conspirator.]

Does Darui know about Tsunade's regeneration? If he does he can close the distance with his superior speed. and aim for decapitation via his massive cleaver blade. He was able to go toe to toe with Suigetsu(who Kisame praised as a genius swordsman) in a kenjutsu fight, and ultimately beat him once he infused his blade with ration. He might be able to do something similar to Tsunade.

 

[Apêx1]

Assuming he can keep in proximity with her without getting harmed and actually out trade her, then yes, his swords play is looking like an efficient method here. I don't think that's the case though.

Twisting my words to give you another reason to bring out random points about Darui (such as his chakra reserves which play no part in this match) or counter other things in Tsunade's arsenal (which i never mentioned nor do i think are necessary for ther to win, such as Katsuyu) doesn't make your argument better.
I specifically typed: "(...) Not so good in CQC that he can overwhelm (...) her"; not that he isn't good in CQC. I have no reasons to think that he's better than her given the fact that he never fought any character who's actually superior to her in terms of close quarters.

I though her superiority in that regard was obvious, therefore when i typed that his arsenal isn't a threat i'm referring to his elemental jutsus. Whether she can dodge Laser Circus or not doesn't matter, that's not damaging beyhond repair.
She also doesn't have to be in his face to do damage. The 'kick on the floor no jutsu' extends her range to a few decent meters.
It won't kill him, but it certainly makes his job harder and keeps him at bay, possibly making him try a different approach and make her acquire more intel on his abilities to better deal with them.
Assuming she gets paralyzed, what good will that do? He cuts her like Orochimaru did, then he possibly gets blitzed and has his nervous system messed up or has to deal with a more cautios Tsunade who will be even harder to deal with. The more the fight goes on the better for her (like in Sakura and Chiyo vs Sasori).

He's faster and was keeping up with Kin and Gin, the only 2 people who Ay was going to go fight himself due to their strength (they defeated Tobirama as well). He's faster than her, posses the similar lethality with his massive strength and raiton enhanced sword, and can use his suiton followed by Raiton to numb her body and go for the kill once more.

He doesn't need to? Who has Tsunade fought in a straight up CQC fight which has extremely proficient Taijutsu feats? Last I checked she lost to Kabuto and Madara was toying with her along with all the other Gokage. Atleast Darui was doing something interesting like blitzing and tearing off limbs effortlessly. Anyways, even if she is better in straight up CQC despite her enormous disadvantage in the range aspect, how does she deal with his CQC Kenjutsu along with his Ninjutsu that can be used at CQC? Black lighting requires a single hand seal thus can easily be used at CQC. Water wall>Raiton was able to stop Sasuke in his tracks, same applies for a slower character. Darui can simply jump back and use Ranton she simply cannot avoid since it's manipulated by Darui.

It's not damaging beyond repair, what you fail to understand is that she cannot infinitely heal, and each one of these will either put her into the ground or force her to begin progressively reaching her maximum amount of cell splittings. And this implies Darui is getting hit by an attack which then goes to hit him? No. Darui has shown speeds comparable to v1 Ay's, blitzed Kin and Gin twice, and dodged a Bashosen elemental attack at point blank range. A taijutsu attack isn't doing much to him.
Umm.. No. Darui can use his Ranton while running, hence he runs away from the attack whilst he is attacking Tsunade who is absolutely vulnerable to his laser. Anyways, Tsunade isn't the one benefitting intel wise here. Darui now knows not only of her strength being easily KO worthy, but also knows that she can heal given his Laser circus didn't affect her for a prolonged period.
Lel. Orochimaru can cut her to an extent. Darui can cut her to 2 halves. Please don't try to bring in such analogies. ONce she's paralysed, her head is torn off with a single touch of his sword, her body is split into two with a single touch, all her limbs are removed with a few touched. The more the fight goes on, the worse for Tsunade actually. As the fight progresses Darui will have full intel on her strength and start using his Ranton much more, eventually making her reach her regeneration limit. Darui remains unaffected since his chakra reserves are extremely large.

Tsuande mid diff at most low diff if we r including slug ...

Lel, make an argument. Slug is a non factor so that point remains moot.

Does Darui know about Tsunade's regeneration? If he does he can close the distance with his superior speed. and aim for decapitation via his massive cleaver blade. He was able to go toe to toe with Suigetsu(who Kisame praised as a genius swordsman) in a kenjutsu fight, and ultimately beat him once he infused his blade with ration. He might be able to do something similar to Tsunade.

He will after his first Ranton usage. After his first Ranton, he can simply begin using his superior speed to his advantage, whilst also using his close range jutsu; all of which either combo with other attacks or put her down on the ground.

 

[V h o]

Tsunade med-high difficulty. I can't really see Darui killing Tsunade with anything in his arsenal and Tsunade chakra levels seem greater than Darui's so I doubt if a drawn out match is in his favor.

 

[RicardoA]

He's faster and was keeping up with Kin and Gin, the only 2 people who Ay was going to go fight himself due to their strength (they defeated Tobirama as well). He's faster than her, posses the similar lethality with his massive strength and raiton enhanced sword, and can use his suiton followed by Raiton to numb her body and go for the kill once more.

He doesn't need to? Who has Tsunade fought in a straight up CQC fight which has extremely proficient Taijutsu feats? Last I checked she lost to Kabuto and Madara was toying with her along with all the other Gokage. Atleast Darui was doing something interesting like blitzing and tearing off limbs effortlessly. Anyways, even if she is better in straight up CQC despite her enormous disadvantage in the range aspect, how does she deal with his CQC Kenjutsu along with his Ninjutsu that can be used at CQC? Black lighting requires a single hand seal thus can easily be used at CQC. Water wall>Raiton was able to stop Sasuke in his tracks, same applies for a slower character. Darui can simply jump back and use Ranton she simply cannot avoid since it's manipulated by Darui.

It's not damaging beyond repair, what you fail to understand is that she cannot infinitely heal, and each one of these will either put her into the ground or force her to begin progressively reaching her maximum amount of cell splittings. And this implies Darui is getting hit by an attack which then goes to hit him? No. Darui has shown speeds comparable to v1 Ay's, blitzed Kin and Gin twice, and dodged a Bashosen elemental attack at point blank range. A taijutsu attack isn't doing much to him.
Umm.. No. Darui can use his Ranton while running, hence he runs away from the attack whilst he is attacking Tsunade who is absolutely vulnerable to his laser. Anyways, Tsunade isn't the one benefitting intel wise here. Darui now knows not only of her strength being easily KO worthy, but also knows that she can heal given his Laser circus didn't affect her for a prolonged period.
Lel. Orochimaru can cut her to an extent. Darui can cut her to 2 halves. Please don't try to bring in such analogies. ONce she's paralysed, her head is torn off with a single touch of his sword, her body is split into two with a single touch, all her limbs are removed with a few touched. The more the fight goes on, the worse for Tsunade actually. As the fight progresses Darui will have full intel on her strength and start using his Ranton much more, eventually making her reach her regeneration limit. Darui remains unaffected since his chakra reserves are extremely large.

Speed =/= taijutsu. He is not a blitzer. Faster or not, i don't think its a deciding factor. In any battle there's a faster opponent. Does the faster one always win? No. He has massive strenght?
I already explained why i think the Suiton + Raiton combo wouldn't work.

Kabuto needed pills to overwhelm her once. After she recovered and proceeded to overwhelm him herself, he resorted to blood for a reason. Bottomline is, he needed drugs just to compete.
Madara was going easy, ok, but not with taijutsu. What's your point? Actually she was holding her own against five wood clones, which are easily a more overwhelming opponent than Darui.
When i mention CQC i include kenjutsu as well. It fall under the same category as well here.
The thing is, she doesn't have to deal with his elemental jutsus. At best they will momentarily paralyze her.

He can't infinitely spam either. The more the fight lasts the harder it will be to hit her (evasion), that's something that will put Darui at a great disadvantage, especially if it reaches the point where the only thing able to get her happens to be Laser Circus.
I don't understand what you meant with this: "And this implies Darui is getting hit by an attack which then goes to hit him? No".
If he wants to put Tsunade down for good he'll need to engage in CQC. Its his best chance to grievously injure her. That's when she can overwhelm with her superior taijutsu and strenght.
Laser Circus doesn't pack much of a punch though. If she can still blitz a wood clone with other four around and two giant swords in her stomach, she can ignore that and go straight to Darui if you ask me.
Intel benefits her just as much if not more, allowing her to better dodge his moves and strategically plan her next actions based on that, while even with intel his problem remains the same.
Even Kakashi using Zabuza's sword enhanced with Raiton could completely cut an edo body in half. Its not that easy.
Why would he go for her head as soon as she's paralyzed? Oro didn't do it and he wanted to get rid of her at that point. She already tanked the Kusanagi which can be stronger (hype wise) or weaker, but its definetly not a regular sword. That means something.
And her reserves aren't? She's Senju + Uzumaki and even has a secondary reservoir in the middle of her forehead that is, Kishi knows how, many times bigger than her base chakra.

 

[Apêx1]

Speed =/= taijutsu. He is not a blitzer. Faster or not, i don't think its a deciding factor. In any battle there's a faster opponent. Does the faster one always win? No. He has massive strenght?
I already explained why i think the Suiton + Raiton combo wouldn't work.

Kabuto needed pills to overwhelm her once. After she recovered and proceeded to overwhelm him herself, he resorted to blood for a reason. Bottomline is, he needed drugs just to compete.
Madara was going easy, ok, but not with taijutsu. What's your point? Actually she was holding her own against five wood clones, which are easily a more overwhelming opponent than Darui.
When i mention CQC i include kenjutsu as well. It fall under the same category as well here.
The thing is, she doesn't have to deal with his elemental jutsus. At best they will momentarily paralyze her.

He can't infinitely spam either. The more the fight lasts the harder it will be to hit her (evasion), that's something that will put Darui at a great disadvantage, especially if it reaches the point where the only thing able to get her happens to be Laser Circus.
I don't understand what you meant with this: "And this implies Darui is getting hit by an attack which then goes to hit him? No".
If he wants to put Tsunade down for good he'll need to engage in CQC. Its his best chance to grievously injure her. That's when she can overwhelm with her superior taijutsu and strenght.
Laser Circus doesn't pack much of a punch though. If she can still blitz a wood clone with other four around and two giant swords in her stomach, she can ignore that and go straight to Darui if you ask me.
Intel benefits her just as much if not more, allowing her to better dodge his moves and strategically plan her next actions based on that, while even with intel his problem remains the same.
Even Kakashi using Zabuza's sword enhanced with Raiton could completely cut an edo body in half. Its not that easy.
Why would he go for her head as soon as she's paralyzed? Oro didn't do it and he wanted to get rid of her at that point. She already tanked the Kusanagi which can be stronger (hype wise) or weaker, but its definetly not a regular sword. That means something.
And her reserves aren't? She's Senju + Uzumaki and even has a secondary reservoir in the middle of her forehead that is, Kishi knows how, many times bigger than her base chakra.

He's faster and that's all that matters. You can say what you want, bring me feats which prove otherwise or stop arguing anything related to speed. I didn't say he blitzes, I said if she's paralysed, he can blitz; and you yourself said she will get momentarily paralysed.
That's not how a debate goes, lml. Your only backed up claim was the Susano, and even that is wrong since she was only shown to be fighting 1 Susano while the others seemed to either be watching or simply not harming her. More so, she put down one of them, who is a huge target and doesn't have speed feats [

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He can spam more than she can regenerate. He used Ranton 4 times, black lightning, took damage, proceeded to use the sacred items several times without getting tired, despite Raikage saying normal shinobi can die from single usages since it drains their chakra's so easily. Darui should have no difficulty in spamming his ranton and his normal techniques and have Tsunade run out of cell splitting capabilities prior to him running out his monstrous reserves. This is especially true if Darui uses mass Ranton like

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. NEVER did I say she runs out of chakra before, I said she runs out of the confirmed capability of having your cells split maxed out.

 

[LuckyMan]

I was gonna say something but Apex pretty much covered it. Tsunade is not winning this. Darui is criminally underrated. :|

 

[King Of Pop]

I was gonna say something but Apex pretty much covered it. Tsunade is not winning this. Darui is criminally underrated. :|

sir you have a disturbing sig.....

OT. ill say darui high dif

 

[LuckyMan]

sir you have a disturbing sig.....

OT. ill say darui high dif

Oh you wouldn't believe all the jimmies I've rustled with this one, and I've only had it for a few days.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Man I wish we had more black lightning info/ feats from the third raikage. Such a missed oppurtunity

Darui takes this high-diff

 

[RicardoA]

He's faster and that's all that matters. You can say what you want, bring me feats which prove otherwise or stop arguing anything related to speed. I didn't say he blitzes, I said if she's paralysed, he can blitz; and you yourself said she will get momentarily paralysed.
That's not how a debate goes, lml. Your only backed up claim was the Susano, and even that is wrong since she was only shown to be fighting 1 Susano while the others seemed to either be watching or simply not harming her. More so, she put down one of them, who is a huge target and doesn't have speed feats [

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He can spam more than she can regenerate. He used Ranton 4 times, black lightning, took damage, proceeded to use the sacred items several times without getting tired, despite Raikage saying normal shinobi can die from single usages since it drains their chakra's so easily. Darui should have no difficulty in spamming his ranton and his normal techniques and have Tsunade run out of cell splitting capabilities prior to him running out his monstrous reserves. This is especially true if Darui uses mass Ranton like

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. NEVER did I say she runs out of chakra before, I said she runs out of the confirmed capability of having your cells split maxed out.

When did i denied he was faster? That's not earning him a win though.
I took into account a scenario where she can get paralyzed, but the only way i can see this happening is if she goes for him right off the bat w/o knowledge on his Raiton and Suiton. This isn't fatal for her anyway imo. She can survive his blitz like she survived Oro's attempt to finish her off just as good.

I disagree. There's nothing indicating that they weren't gangbanging her. Mei got overwhelmed, Gaara and Ay immediatly got overwhelmed after momentarily distractions. Why would Tsunade be different? Yes, they're giant, therefore easy to hit and not notably fast, but numbers do matter. Mei, Gaara and Ay are the proof. Could Darui handle himself at least as well as them in the same situation? I don't think so.
In none of those links there's any happening that tells me he's better or can ovewhelm her in CQC. Neither of the Gold and Silver brothers have notable CQC feats, nor have been said to be particularly skilled in that area nor are their fighting styles based on that.
Jugo managed to put himself between Darui and Sasuke in time to save the later. Does that mean he's as fast/skilled as Darui? No. Matching Ay doesn't mean he's = to him. Tsunade coordinated an attack with Ay as well, while he was being supported by Onoki (

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) Does that make her as fast as him? No, not even close.
Sasuke wasn't attempting to blitz, he simply striked forward recklessly (noted by Jugo as well) and got easily countered (perfect example of how a good arsenal can overcome speed).

"He can spam more than she can regenerate" < i need evidence or hints that this is a possibility, in order to change my mind.
Keep in mind that even a simple medical jutsu such as the Mystical Palm jutsu used to heal a few cuts uses up a considerable amount of chakra (

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) even for someone with perfect chakra control and high chakra reserves. Now, to get a glimpse of her chakra reserves consider the fact that she's able to heal thousands and thousands of people at the same time who were in worse condition (

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She was also able to constantly fight Madara for hours after releasing her seal using not only her healing abilities, but also her super strenght, which also takes considerable chakra to employ (

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Darui used the tools precisely three times (

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) Based on this and the fact that he used other ninjutsu throughout the war he has at least 3.5x more chakra than Tenten. Ok.
The fact that he's able to use the sage's tools alone means he has high chakra reserves, but that doesn't put him above Tsunade at all. Who says she can't use the tools more times than he does?
Also, he was on the battlefield more time than she was, but that doesn't mean he spammed jutsus every second he was battling. No way he could've kept on fighting. He could've used simple kenjutsu to fight the White Zetsu army.

And based on what, does she 'run out of cells' before Darui runs out of chakra? That's a personal opinion which i do not share.

 

[super yang]

Tsunade should win unless theyr fighting at a lake/source

 

[RedRobin]

Tsunade mid dif. Darui is not killing her.

 

[LuckyMan]

Tsunade mid dif. Darui is not killing her.

I thought this was over.

Post them reasons why then