The betterment of the series?

[Uzumaki Menma]

Okay, so lately NB has been flooded with threads clamoring about how the once proud manga has fallen to an almost unrecognizable place. They site reasons such as;

• Naruto has lost it's meaning. It use to be about hard work and what not. Now, it's just focused on destiny and fate.
• Ugh, Kaguya! She's so weak! Why did Kishi have to get rid of Madara and put her in?!
• The series isn't even about ninja anymore. All this hax god stuff and giant explosion waves really take the ninja vibe out of the manga.

I would personally like to hear some realistic takes on what can save the manga in their opinion, or even quell the burn they have felt since it started going "downhill".

I hope this will be an intelligent thread with intelligent replies and reasoning so no one is yelled at or disrespected.

 

[gullagullagulla]

It can't be "saved," I don't really know what you mean by that. The fact is that all of the points you brought up are extremely valid complaints. This thing with Kaguya, and Black Zetsu supposedly manipulating, like, what, everything?? Pretty much every major event in the Naruto universe since... the beginning? Come on. How many times can Kishimoto try to reinvent this series before he just admits he's out of ideas?

 

[ghettoninja27]

honestly i hate that the uchiha and senju were made to be the only two clans that matter and a miss all of the like going on missions and and tactics and how wide open the naruto world use to feel. i don't really think there is a way to go back seeing as this is pretty much the endgame, i just wish that Kishi left all of these dead people dead; obito, all the war edo tensi's, the kages, kaguya, and madara. then he put every shinobi ever in the same location. i don't know, just kinda took something out of it.

 

[Zorø]

I hate naruto now...

 

[a banned cartoon]

When people give you intelligent replies all you do is talk sh!t instead of seeing that thyre just concerned with the series. Kishimoto needs a hiatus, so he can gather his thoughts. It seems like he's bound by some sort of contract so he's been making chapters with very little dialogue, or he's been making chapters that just pass time, and help to fill up his weekly slot. He's not furthering the series. He's such a good mangaka, and he's capable of great things, and I can only think that it has to be a contractural problem that's making him put these chapters out.

Do you honestly think this chapter was that great? You should compare it to some of his other chapters. We've seen Kishimoto at his best, so I can only believe that right now he's at his worst. The difference between his recent chapters and some of his others is monumental. Compared to his other chapters the last few have been lack-luster.

 

[Gintõki1]

It's too late to change anything in the manga to "save" it. Kaguya destroyed it already.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Nothing can save the manga.... It should have had one villain after Nagato. After nagato, tobi should've been revealed as obito who would;

A) be the final villain(Without the juubi bullshit)
B) Revive Madara(rinnegan), who'd be the final villain(also without the juubi bullshit)

Madara was already strong enough to shit on the SA in Edo form. A villain like that, who needed heavy team work to beat, without any need for asspulls, powerups and a destruction of the manga's meaning would've been good. Instead of 100 chapters split across obito, madara, kaguya, it should've just been obito or madara having an all out fight with SA.

Obito, with his edos, gedo and haxed kamui BS or alive madara(with edo abilities and his 4 limbos) would've been quite enough to slaughter SA and KCM naruto, until BM naruto and EMS sasuke team up to fight... Madara/OBito could've then given us flashbacks of sage/kaguya/juubi through an explanation that obito got his info from madara in that genjutsu(if obito is FV), or madara got his info from the uchiha stone with his RInnegan... Rinnegan being able to show him everything that was written on the stone.

A lot could've been done with the max power capped at EDO madara/Rinnegan obito's power. At least those levels of power was realistic enough. I mean, seriously, alive madara(who's basically edo madara), was able to 1 panel naruto and sasuke, slaughter the gokage and slaughter the tailed beasts... That's way more than enough power to shit on people without hashi being around... Especially when you take into account PS+Rinnegan+mokuton abilities. That's like fighting EMS MAdara + Nagato(upgraded) + Hashirama...

 

[NarutoB]

Madara returning to help against Kaguya and getting a proper death, along with getting Kaguya's full backstory could make the manga better for me

Without those, the manga just feels hollow

 

[Seventh Sama]

I would've preferred it if oro became FV.... It should've been obito then to oro. The guy has tons of secrets we don't know about.

 

[ghettoninja27]

Nothing can save the manga.... It should have had one villain after Nagato. After nagato, tobi should've been revealed as obito who would;

A) be the final villain(Without the juubi bullshit)
B) Revive Madara(rinnegan), who'd be the final villain(also without the juubi bullshit)

Madara was already strong enough to shit on the SA in Edo form. A villain like that, who needed heavy team work to beat, without any need for asspulls, powerups and a destruction of the manga's meaning would've been good. Instead of 100 chapters split across obito, madara, kaguya, it should've just been obito or madara having an all out fight with SA.

Obito, with his edos, gedo and haxed kamui BS or alive madara(with edo abilities and his 4 limbos) would've been quite enough to slaughter SA and KCM naruto, until BM naruto and EMS sasuke team up to fight... Madara/OBito could've then given us flashbacks of sage/kaguya/juubi through an explanation that obito got his info from madara in that genjutsu(if obito is FV), or madara got his info from the uchiha stone with his RInnegan... Rinnegan being able to show him everything that was written on the stone.

A lot could've been done with the max power capped at EDO madara/Rinnegan obito's power. At least those levels of power was realistic enough. I mean, seriously, alive madara(who's basically edo madara), was able to 1 panel naruto and sasuke, slaughter the gokage and slaughter the tailed beasts... That's way more than enough power to shit on people without hashi being around... Especially when you take into account PS+Rinnegan+mokuton abilities. That's like fighting EMS MAdara + Nagato(upgraded) + Hashirama...

couldn't agree more, Juubi never should of been revived

 

[Akasuna]

It can't be "saved," I don't really know what you mean by that. The fact is that all of the points you brought up are extremely valid complaints. This thing with Kaguya, and Black Zetsu supposedly manipulating, like, what, everything?? Pretty much every major event in the Naruto universe since... the beginning? Come on. How many times can Kishimoto try to reinvent this series before he just admits he's out of ideas?

Exactly this. When this story first began, it was about Shinobi. You could narrow it down to two shinobi, in particular: Naruto and Sasuke. The former being a boy who chases his goal against all odds and makes friends with the people from his village, the latter being a boy set on revenge and avenging his clan against the man he believed to be evil. Since then, Kishimoto has introduced so many plot elements from the Bijuu to the Juubi, from the Jinchuuriki to Obito, from Madara to Tsuki no Me, that it barely feels like a manga centered around a general idea anymore.

Contrary to possible believe, Kishimoto has tried to 'save' this manga multiple times. And each time he's just added another plot element to the already chaotic mix. Which I why I believe Part 1 is infinitely better than Shippuden; it was actually centered on a topic. The characters were believable with great development, the villains were actually subjective, and even the minor characters seemed important. If I were Kishimoto I honestly wouldn't have even done the timeskip, and made the story so much better following Sasuke leaving Konoha.

 

[ghettoninja27]

Exactly this. When this story first began, it was about Shinobi. You could narrow it down to two shinobi, in particular: Naruto and Sasuke. The former being a boy who chases his goal against all odds and makes friends with the people from his village, the latter being a boy set on revenge and avenging his clan against the man he believed to be evil. Since then, Kishimoto has introduced so many plot elements from the Bijuu to the Juubi, from the Jinchuuriki to Obito, from Madara to Tsuki no Me, that it barely feels like a manga centered around a general idea anymore.

Contrary to possible believe, Kishimoto has tried to 'save' this manga multiple times. And each time he's just added another plot element to the already chaotic mix. Which I why I believe Part 1 is infinitely better than Shippuden; it was actually centered on a topic. The characters were believable with great development, the villains were actually subjective, and even the minor characters seemed important. If I were Kishimoto I honestly wouldn't have even done the timeskip, and made the story so much better following Sasuke leaving Konoha.

I'll say shippuden was as good and maybe better than part one until after the naruto pein fight, then it turned to shit slowly after that.

 

[Xāvî1]

i still love the manga tho