Can EMS Madara beat Healthy Itachi?

[AlphaScythian]

technically itachi can see madara inside PS and one shot with ama while yata and totsuka defend itachi from PS might.

 

[DannySenju]

Madara demolishes him.

 

[V h o]

Izanami>tosuka blade also one shots madara with PS.

 

[Arian]

lets see...
in terms of taijutsu, theyre about equal
in terms of ninjutsu, madara is ahead(more chakra bigger scale) though itachi is faster(seals and also more versatile with his techniques)(about equal)
in terms of intelligence, itachi NEG DIFF
in terms of stamina (giving its healthy itachi i would say they are close to equal)
in terms of genjutsu itachi wins NEG DIFF
in terms of dojutsu: itachi got AMATERASU and TSUKUYOMI and KA, and IZANAMI.....haven seen much of madara, yet again itachi wins NEG DIFF (and if madara uses izanagi he has lost imedeatly thx to izanami)
in terms of susanoo. well its PS vs Itachis v.4 susanoo with YATA MIRROR and TOTSUKA blade ( i would say equal...in terms of brute strenght madara wins, but itachis yata mirror can easily deflect it, and his blade can easily pierce though madaras susanoo

overall: ITACHI WINS (not sure about diff though. depending on knowledge of each other between NED and HIGH diff)

 

[mohdzarif]

Izanami>tosuka blade also one shots madara with PS.

Itachi won't be able to touch Madara and thus he won't be able to use Izanami. Do you know how it works?

Even if Totsuka has the ability to seal the PS, Madara would just cancel his PS and run away from the spot and avoid it.

Itachi would probably stand for only 5 minutes in his Susano'o because of shitty stamina. Yes, even healthy Itachi, remember that in Part 1 he ran way after 2 Tsukuyomi and 1 Amaterasu.

Madara wins low-diff:
- Too much experience
- Extremely high chakra reserve
- Massive-scale jutsus
- Perfect Susano'o slash

lets see...
in terms of taijutsu, theyre about equal
in terms of ninjutsu, madara is ahead(more chakra bigger scale) though itachi is faster(seals and also more versatile with his techniques)(about equal)
in terms of intelligence, itachi NEG DIFF
in terms of stamina (giving its healthy itachi i would say they are close to equal)
in terms of genjutsu itachi wins NEG DIFF
in terms of dojutsu: itachi got AMATERASU and TSUKUYOMI and KA, and IZANAMI.....haven seen much of madara, yet again itachi wins NEG DIFF (and if madara uses izanagi he has lost imedeatly thx to izanami)
in terms of susanoo. well its PS vs Itachis v.4 susanoo with YATA MIRROR and TOTSUKA blade ( i would say equal...in terms of brute strenght madara wins, but itachis yata mirror can easily deflect it, and his blade can easily pierce though madaras susanoo

overall: ITACHI WINS (not sure about diff though. depending on knowledge of each other between NED and HIGH diff)

That's just too much exaggerating and fanboying Itachi Lol.

Read about what I said on his stamina above and about Izanami.

 

[Lana Del Taka]

Totsuka GG.

 

[V h o]

Itachi won't be able to touch Madara and thus he won't be able to use Izanami. Do you know how it works?

Even if Totsuka has the ability to seal the PS, Madara would just cancel his PS and run away from the spot and avoid it.

Itachi would probably stand for only 5 minutes in his Susano'o because of shitty stamina. Yes, even healthy Itachi, remember that in Part 1 he ran way after 2 Tsukuyomi and 1 Amaterasu.

Madara wins low-diff:
- Too much experience
- Extremely high chakra reserve
- Massive-scale jutsus
- Perfect Susano'o slash

Ok trolling aside. Inazami requires physical contact or just physical sensation? If inazami activates madara won't even realize he is locked into the genjutsu to active inazagi.

 

[STOPGAI2014]

Itachi is dead btw

 

[Arian]

Itachi won't be able to touch Madara and thus he won't be able to use Izanami. Do you know how it works?

Even if Totsuka has the ability to seal the PS, Madara would just cancel his PS and run away from the spot and avoid it.

Itachi would probably stand for only 5 minutes in his Susano'o because of shitty stamina. Yes, even healthy Itachi, remember that in Part 1 he ran way after 2 Tsukuyomi and 1 Amaterasu.

Madara wins low-diff:
- Too much experience
- Extremely high chakra reserve
- Massive-scale jutsus
- Perfect Susano'o slash



That's just too much exaggerating and fanboying Itachi Lol.

Read about what I said on his stamina above and about Izanami.

he was sick in part one too... he was sick for years. tobi said he kept himself alive by drugs and medicine. healthy itahci would mean he would have (like all uchihas, sasuke madara, tobi etc) big chakra reserves.....
izanami is MADE to defend against izanagi.
also if they start a fight madara would never start off with his susanoo
since he is so experienced he is also cocky, which would be his downfall. if they faced each other with no knowledge there is no way itachi would lose. thats not about fanboying but just going according to their characters....madara is cocky and sure of himself, while itachi is intelligent and careful...

if they were to fight it would probably be like this: they start clashing at each other with taijutsu/kunais. and bam madara is inside a genjutsu. if not the uses his large scale ninjutsu, he uses his crowns, maybe amaterasu (which would end madara)
if not madara would use his susanoo(note it takes a huge amount of time to manifest and use the PS, while itachis susanoo with his yata mirror was fast enough to blcok a bolt of lighting....
madaras susanoo would be most likely be his normal susanoo...and itachis v4 susanoo >>>>>>>>> madaras base susanoo...
yet again, no im not fanboying, its just going according to the facts....i stay true to their chars when i say stuff like this.

 

[mohdzarif]

Ok trolling aside. Inazami requires physical contact or just physical sensation? If inazami activates madara won't even realize he is locked into the genjutsu to active inazagi.

Physical sensation of both the user and the foe. Itachi only able to use it after Kabuto stabbed him.

 

[Kamui Sama]

technically itachi can see madara inside PS and one shot with ama while yata and totsuka defend itachi from PS might.

amaterasu travels U_U

susano'o blocks it

Actually did sasuke use amaterasu while inside susano'o? Still doesn't matter. I'm pretty sure It will hit whatever it first comes in contact with

 

[V h o]

Physical sensation of both the user and the foe. Itachi only able to use it after Kabuto stabbed him.

So technically what I said is possible before PS?

 

[Lightbringer]

Ok trolling aside. Inazami requires physical contact or just physical sensation? If inazami activates madara won't even realize he is locked into the genjutsu to active inazagi.

Izanami requires you to recreate a sensation.

1st phase: Activate Izanami recording

2nd phase: Connect movements/sensations forming a loop. Movement A(start), then B, C, D, and A(end/beginning) once again.

3rd phase: Eye is sacrificed and Genjutsu activates, making the sensations/movements loop


That's why Izanami is risky because it's not a guarantee to completely create a loop without dying first; which is also why Itachi was fortunate against Kabuto because he had Edo Tensei to regenerate.

Also, Madara knows Izanagi and was the leader of the Uchiha. He obviously knows how Izanami works and the sharingan lets one see through Genjutsu.

So Izanami wouldn't work.

 

[V h o]

Izanami requires you to recreate a sensation.

1st phase: Activate Izanami recording

2nd phase: Connect movements/sensations forming a loop. Movement A(start), then B, C, D, and A(end/beginning) once again.

3rd phase: Eye is sacrificed and Genjutsu activates, making the sensations/movements loop


That's why Izanami is risky because it's not a guarantee to completely create a loop without dying first.

Also, Madara knows Izanagi and was the leader of the Uchiha. He obviously knows how Izanami works and the sharingan lets one see through Genjutsu.

So Izanami wouldn't work.

Welp guess Izanami is useless.

 

[mohdzarif]

he was sick in part one too... he was sick for years. tobi said he kept himself alive by drugs and medicine. healthy itahci would mean he would have (like all uchihas, sasuke madara, tobi etc) big chakra reserves.....
izanami is MADE to defend against izanagi.
also if they start a fight madara would never start off with his susanoo
since he is so experienced he is also cocky, which would be his downfall. if they faced each other with no knowledge there is no way itachi would lose. thats not about fanboying but just going according to their characters....madara is cocky and sure of himself, while itachi is intelligent and careful...

Too many "neg-diff" in you previous posts which is far from true. Madara is also intelligent especially with his experiences, so I will say that Madara>Itachi in intelligence. We just rarely see Madara use genjutsu, probably he just don't like to use it. And why do you include KA, which isn't Itachi's. And KA is given to Naruto to save Sasuke anyway.

Tobi only got fairly big chakra reserves because of Hashirama's cells. Sasuke had low chakra reserve, remember his fight at the Kage Summit. Being an Uchiha doesn't mean big chakra reserve. Sasuke is a good example.

Itachi retreated in Part 1. Also, Kisame even warned him from the start against using too much his MS jutsus.

 

[mohdzarif]

So technically what I said is possible before PS?

Same kind of situation needs to be recreated for it to work. The two situations are memorized and connected in the genjutsu, creating an infinite loop.

And Itachi is an Edo when he fought Kabuto. That's why he could do it easily.

Also, I don't think he can cast Izanami if the foe is too far from him.

And PS slash will guarantee instant death after he used his chakra for Susano'o.

 

[V h o]

Same kind of situation needs to be recreated for it to work. The two situations are memorized and connected in the genjutsu, creating an infinite loop.

And Itachi is an Edo when he fought Kabuto. That's why he could do it easily.

Also, I don't think he can cast Izanami if the foe is too far from him.

And PS slash will guarantee instant death after he used his chakra for Susano'o.

Yea I kind of understand how izanami works with sensation, but if PS is up then nothing Itachi has can break it. Izanami probably can only happen while at close range to fulfill the sensation portion of the jutsu, although I don't think it matters after it activates since Kubato was still locked in the jutsu well after Itachi died. Also what Lightbringer said about intel on izanami also makes it less likely to work. Oh well I somewhat thought it was feasible.

 

[mohdzarif]

if they were to fight it would probably be like this: they start clashing at each other with taijutsu/kunais. and bam madara is inside a genjutsu. if not the uses his large scale ninjutsu, he uses his crowns, maybe amaterasu (which would end madara)
if not madara would use his susanoo(note it takes a huge amount of time to manifest and use the PS, while itachis susanoo with his yata mirror was fast enough to blcok a bolt of lighting....
madaras susanoo would be most likely be his normal susanoo...and itachis v4 susanoo >>>>>>>>> madaras base susanoo...
yet again, no im not fanboying, its just going according to the facts....i stay true to their chars when i say stuff like this.

I'm also tired to argue, but I will just say a few things.

Madara is a sensor, he can sense the buildup of chakra in Itachi's eye.

How can you be so confident that Itachi is so fast in forming his Susanoo while Madara takes longer. That doesn't make sense especially considering that Madara>Itachi.

It's is not Yata Mirror that blocked the lighting. It's just the ribcage Susanoo.

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[Haloguy2710]

EMS Madara and Hashirama were nearly equal power.
Hashirama would stomp Itachi.

Madara wins for defs

 

[Mikeyofthesharingan]

Kishi solos all yall opinions bc he already said itachi beats ems madara.. :,)