[Discussion] My new interpretations and questions concerning 681

SkyGodHorus

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So, based on the Viz translations, I have revised my interpretations and questions concerning the new chapter. Hopefully this will help those who have not seen the Viz translations.

-Zetsu really is a third child and not one in the same as Hagoromo and or Hamura as the earlier translations stated.

-It sounds as though Hagoromo used Chibaku Tensei not only to seal the Gedo Mazou, but to defeat the juubi altogether, paralleling when Pain tried to seal Kyuubi cloaked Naruto.

-Could this mean the seal Naruto and Sasuke plan to use is a fully powered Chibaku tensei?

-Before it was completely sealed however, Kaguya gave birth to Black Zetsu, her third son who became the true schemer behind the Uchiha, Madara, Akatsuki and the war.

-It seems it wasn't the juubi trying to get back the chakra fruit Kaguya ate but instead Kaguya trying to take back the chakra Hagoromo and Hamura had inherited from her.

-With this, Hagoromo is not only unaware that it was Kaguya, but that Black Zetsu was born

-This leaves the question however whether or not Kaguya was the Shinju from the beginning and there never was a fruit, or became a part of it after eating the fruit. I have no idea which seems more plausible lols.

-After Indra lost to Ashura, Black Zetsu tempted him to obtain Rinnegan along with his Uchiha descendants and transmigrants using his alterations on the tablet, but they all failed. Somehow, Black Zetsu was able to find out who the transmigrants were.

-He tempted the rinnegan to the senju as well until Madara and Hashirama were born and he was sure Madara would succeed in manifesting it.

-Madara lost and was killed by Hashirama, but Tobirama, wishing to learn all the secrets of the sharingan preserved and hid his body in the mountains of the fire country.

-Zetsu, using his power to hide in the land spied and discovered the tomb.

-Madara, after biting into Hashirama's flesh had cast a time delayed Izanagi that restroed him to life and made his right eye go blind.

-He then left a shadow doppleganger to replace his body.

-I'm unsure if this refers to a shadow clone as other sources say or something else entirely. Perhaps it may even be a limbo.

-He vomited Hashirama's flesh up and infused it into his wounds and upon his death bed as an old man unlocked the Rinnegan with his eye somehow restored.

-I still believe it was restored either through the Rinnegan manifestation or Gedo Mazou and Hashirama's flesh healing it over time.
-Black Zetsu pretended to be Madara's will after all and the white zetsus were the people under the original Tsukuyomi that he pulled out as other translations said.

-Whether it was directly or indirectly, it doesn't exactly say, he somehow allowed Kabuto to find Madara's corpse and revive him with edo tensei, just as Kabuto stated he had his unknown sources. This was to increase their battlestrength and force Obito to cooperate.

-By amassing the chakra of everyone in IT, Kaguya's human form was revived. This seems to further imply she really was the Shinju the whole time and there was never a fruit.

- I wonder if this means the people have been turned into white zetsu.

-Naruto is able to break out of Black Zetsu's grasp and free Sasuke as well.

-Black Zetsu refers to Kaguya as the true god of the world and that two children fighting her is hopeless.

-The chapter ends with Sasuke stating they need an opening for Hagoromo's seal and Naruto's states he has a secret jutsu just for that.
 

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Nice one bro! but then, it makes the Kaguya and the fruit stuff all the more confusing and does it mean Kaguya was the juubi of Hagoromo's time?
 

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Nice one this clears things up a bit. Since its naruto has a secret technique and not the both planning some secret tech
 

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I don't know. Now that I think about it, I think it would completely contradict Kaguya's overall character and foreshadowing up to this point if she were "simply the shinju the whole time," especially given all the shadowy details Hagoromo left about her. He said she came from a faraway place, which reflects the original Kaguya folktale. We are also in a new location or dimension in the manga which that mysterious structure at the top of the volcano. And if she was the shinju the whole time, how did she become human? Right now, I think I'm going to take a guess and say eating the fruit basically transformed her into a part of the tree and allowed her to completely take it over.
 
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