Rikudou Naruto vs........

[MickNerks]

The clone can use TBBRS, it just need chakra from kurama (which it has) and to get a truth seeking ball from naruto. Same way it can make Lava-Style Rasenshuriken.

The same way naruto left one of his clones with truth seeking balls to seal Madara:

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[V h o]

Other than the fact that those points are hardly ever true,

Naruto needs the Truthseeker orbs to use TBBRS

The clones don't have any

I blame the war arc for this excessive clone wank they were useful once and now people have mistaken that for a consistent feat

Explain to me where it's stated a clone can not have truth seeking orbs?

 

[Braiyan]

Other than the fact that those points are hardly ever true,

Naruto needs the Truthseeker orbs to use TBBRS

The clones don't have any

I blame the war arc for this excessive clone wank they were useful once and now people have mistaken that for a consistent feat

You have not refuted my post in any way. The clones speedblitz and Naruto himself just nukes whoever is left alive with TBBRS instead.
As for your comment about the clones being only useful once during the war arc:

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Come again?

 

[Jessika Uzumaki]

Naruto solo's them...

 

[BlackFlame44]

The clone can use TBBRS, it just need chakra from kurama (which it has) and to get a truth seeking ball from naruto. Same way it can make Lava-Style Rasenshuriken.

The same way naruto left one of his clones with truth seeking balls to seal Madara:

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No feats of the clones using the beasts chakra have been shoown

Explain to me where it's stated a clone can not have truth seeking orbs?

None of the clones Naruto summoned have any

Burden of proof is always on the positive claim, so you must prove he can use TBBRS

You have not refuted my post in any way. The clones speedblitz and Naruto himself just nukes whoever is left alive with TBBRS instead.
As for your comment about the clones being only useful once during the war arc:

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Come again?

And notice how only one of em dealt finishing blows?

When Naruto himself wasn't focusing his energy on anything special?

Naruto's clones are only useful when used sparingly and diversly, other wise he has to focus too mch energy on each of them and they become useless

 

[Braiyan]

And notice how only one of em dealt finishing blows?

When Naruto himself wasn't focusing his energy on anything special?

Doesn't matter. You said that Naruto's clones have only been useful once during the war. Those scans clearly contradict you.

Naruto's clones are only useful when used sparingly and diversly, other wise he has to focus too mch energy on each of them and they become useless

And yet a clone using clones was able to counter Madara's Mokuton Barrage, as I already showed in the post that you just quoted.

 

[V h o]

None of the clones Naruto summoned have any

Burden of proof

That's not how the burden of proof works, you have the burden of proof to prove/disprove something that has been established. Also in same chapter Naruto used his clones, he was shown without truth seeking orbs too.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Doesn't matter. You said that Naruto's clones have only been useful once during the war. Those scans clearly contradict you.



And yet a clone using clones was able to counter Madara's Mokuton Barrage, as I already showed in the post that you just quoted.

After being restored by Kurama,

Would he able to replicate these feats in the heat of battle?

That's not how the burden of proof works, you have the burden of proof to prove something that has been established. Also in same chapter Naruto used his clones, he was shown without truth seeking orbs too.

No, it's not

I could easily say thatMight Guy is faster than light and ask you to prove why he's not and just because the manga didn't say so you'd be wrong

Burden of proof is always on the positive statement, you can't just ask for proof while not brining in your own, especially when the evidence is against you, that's just cowardice.


And please show me this scan

 

[Braiyan]

After being restored by Kurama,

Would he able to replicate these feats in the heat of battle?

Seeing that he has 9 fully cooperative tailed beasts from who to draw chakra from, yes.

 

[V h o]

No, it's not

I could easily say thatMight Guy is faster than light and ask you to prove why he's not and just because the manga didn't say so you'd be wrong

Burden of proof is always on the positive statement, you can't just ask for proof while not brining in your own, especially when the evidence is against you, that's just cowardice.

And please show me this scan

Are you saying a clone can't replicate the same jutsu the original can do?

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According to the free dictionary.com:

Burden of Proof
A duty placed upon a civil or criminal defendant to prove or disprove a disputed fact.

Burden of proof can define the duty placed upon a party to prove or disprove a disputed fact, or it can define which party bears this burden. In criminal cases, the burden of proof is placed on the prosecution, who must demonstrate that the defendant is guilty before a jury may convict him or her. But in some jurisdiction, the defendant has the burden of establishing the existence of certain facts that give rise to a defense, such as the insanity plea. In civil cases, the plaintiff is normally charged with the burden of proof, but the defendant can be required to establish certain defenses.

Burden of proof can also define the burden of persuasion, or the quantum of proof by which the party with the burden of proof must establish or refute a disputed factual issue. In criminal cases, the prosecution must prove the defendant's guilt Beyond a Reasonable Doubt.

And according the naruto wiki:

Similar to the basic Clone Technique, this technique creates copies of the user. However, these clones are corporeal instead of illusions. The user's chakra is evenly distributed among every clone, giving each clone an equal fraction of the user's overall power. The clones are capable of performing techniques on their own and can even bleed, but will usually disperse after hit by a strong enough force. The clones can also disperse on their own or be dispelled by the user of the technique. Shadow clones can't be distinguished from the actual person even by dōjutsu because the clones have the exact same amount of chakra as the original, and aren't made from any other substance like water clones are for example.[3] Shadow clones also seem to be able to think for themselves and feel the original's pain to some extent, as evidenced by Naruto's clones feeling pain when the Nine-Tails' cloak awakened while he and Kakashi were fighting Deidara

So you either have to show proof that a clone either:
a) can not use jutsu by the original
or
b) the truth seeking orbs are not tied to Naruto by chakra.

Also there is nothing in the manga to suggest that Gai is faster than light in the beginning, so it's not proven hence the person saying that will need the burden of proof.

I will gladly resend my point about Naruto clones using said technique if you can prove it wrong.

 

[Legendary Toad Sage]

Although Naruto wins, team 2 isn't going down as easily as some of you may suggest.

 

[Dark Riku]

Naruto wins for obvious reasons.

 

[Lytes]

Naruto soloes

 

[BlackFlame44]

Seeing that he has 9 fully cooperative tailed beasts from who to draw chakra from, yes.

Are you saying a clone can't replicate the same jutsu the original can do?

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According to the free dictionary.com:


And according the naruto wiki:

So you either have to show proof that a clone either:
a) can not use jutsu by the original
or
b) the truth seeking orbs are not tied to Naruto by chakra.

Also there is nothing in the manga to suggest that Gai is faster than light in the beginning, so it's not proven hence the person saying that will need the burden of proof.

I will gladly resend my point about Naruto clones using said technique if you can prove it wrong.

My point is that shadow clones can't do everything the Original does this has been made clear, even tho fans seem to forget that

There haven't been any Truthseeker Orbs that were attached to the clones that he summoned, and he used this jutsu twice

 

[MickNerks]

My point is that shadow clones can't do everything the Original does this has been made clear, even tho fans seem to forget that

There haven't been any Truthseeker Orbs that were attached to the clones that he summoned, and he used this jutsu twice

Shadow Clones CAN do everything the original can do. That's in the description of the technique in the databooks.

Even if naruto is the only one who holds the truth seeking balls, he can still pass them to his clones to be used by them (It has been shown in the manga). So with that being the case naruto's clones can still use TBBRS.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Shadow Clones CAN do everything the original can do. That's in the description of the technique in the databooks.

Even if naruto is the only one who holds the truth seeking balls, he can still pass them to his clones to be used by them (It has been shown in the manga). So with that being the case naruto's clones can still use TBBRS.

Show me a scan of Kakashi's clone doing kamui


Itachi's clone using Amaterasu

It's never been stated that clones can use EVERY technique the original can, that's just popular opinion

Anyway the clones being able to use TBBRS is still mere speculation, but for this thread it doesn't really matter

Naruto craps on his opposition

 

[V h o]

My point is that shadow clones can't do everything the Original does this has been made clear, even tho fans seem to forget that
There haven't been any Truthseeker Orbs that were attached to the clones that he summoned, and he used this jutsu twice

You haven shown/said nothing to prove that assumption, which refers back to my a) and b) points in my previous post.

Show me a scan of Kakashi's clone doing kamui


Itachi's clone using Amaterasu

It's never been stated that clones can use EVERY technique the original can, that's just popular opinion

Anyway the clones being able to use TBBRS is still mere speculation, but for this thread it doesn't really matter

Naruto craps on his opposition

Both Itachi and Kakashi have low/med chakra levels to even used multiple shadow clones less enough to use a shadow clone with one of their most chakra consuming jutsu. You assuming Naruto clones can't use the originals jutsu is speculation, speculation without proof at that.


Did you believe Madara could have his clones with PS? or Hashirama clones with SM?

 

[Bronze]

Naruto god stomps.

 

[BlackFlame44]

You haven shown/said nothing to prove that assumption, which refers back to my a) and b) points in my previous post.

Niether have you?

I mean your going in circles expecting me to prove something that's negative( you want me to prove you haven't seen something that's never been shown) While you haven't even put up an argument proving your positive

Both Itachi and Kakashi have low/med chakra levels to even used multiple shadow clones less enough to use a shadow clone with one of their most chakra consuming jutsu. You assuming Naruto clones can't use the originals jutsu is speculation, speculation without proof at that.

You're twisting words around, and going on about proof proof that you even yourself haven't shown

The clones can use their own techniques, yes. But every single move the original has shown? U

Your speculation and newsflash you can't speculate something negative. It's been repeated numerous times that shadow clones are meant for diversions and support, They aren't used for the final wallop

Did you believe Madara could have his clones with PS? or Hashirama clones with SM?

That's exactly what I'm tryin

 

[V h o]

Niether have you?

I mean your going in circles expecting me to prove something that's negative( you want me to prove you haven't seen something that's never been shown) While you haven't even put up an argument proving your positive



You're twisting words around, and going on about proof proof that you even yourself haven't shown

The clones can use their own techniques, yes. But every single move the original has shown? U

Your speculation and newsflash you can't speculate something negative. It's been repeated numerous times that shadow clones are meant for diversions and support, They aren't used for the final wallop



That's exactly what I'm tryin

Haven't I already established that you need the proof to disprove that Naruto clones cant use the original's jutsu? I'm not going in circles, you just simply refuse to disprove anything since their is nothing to use as evidence to support your assumption. Shadow clones clearly where the final wallop to take Kurama's chakra for Naruto to gain KCM.