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Jaraiya from? i always wanted to know, he resembles hashirama a little actually if you ignore the white hair and mole on his nose.
 

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If it was senju, then him and tsunade are literally blood related..maybe distant, but still blood, He's flirted with her several times.
 

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senju, not sure how many times it was stated tho.
Not possible, I'm pretty sure he'd be aware that he was related to tsunade if that were true.

OT. He probably comes from a regular family or some non famous ninja clan.
 

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Jaraiya from? i always wanted to know, he resembles hashirama a little actually if you ignore the white hair and mole on his nose.

Probably distantly from the senju. He has white spiky hair like tobirama, senjutsu, looks like Ashura and appears to have the same hair technique as Kaguya.
 

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Just like several other notable shinobi, such as Orochimaru, Minato, Kabuto, Sakura, Chojuro, Bee, ōnoki, they are from normal families and not clans. At least as far as Kishi has let us know.
 

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If it was senju, then him and tsunade are literally blood related..maybe distant, but still blood, He's flirted with her several times.

Japanese often date and marry their cousins. That also encompasses how clans stay clans, by inbreeding.
 

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Japanese often date and marry their cousins. That also encompasses how clans stay clans, by inbreeding.

Well, no, when someone in a clan marries someone outside their clan, their children are considered part of the clan. That's how it works, culturally, at least.

In NV, this implies that kekkei genkai are almost always dominant genes (since they can ONLY come from their gene pool, and is not found as a recessive gene in anyone else), or else the bloodlines would become so diluted that they would eventually lose them.
 

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Well, no, when someone in a clan marries someone outside their clan, their children are considered part of the clan. That's how it works, culturally, at least.

Well, yes.

"A clan is a group of people united by actual or perceived kinship and descent."
-merriam dictionary.
 

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Well, yes.

"A clan is a group of people united by actual or perceived kinship and descent."
-merriam dictionary.


Yes, kinship. Kinship is not inbreeding. What is considered one's kin varies greatly among different cultures. What I'm saying is, if I'm part of a clan and have a child with someone outside my clan, my child is part of my clan. And now our family is a family within the X clan, held together by kinship and descent, just as you so kindly illustrated. How is this hard to understand?
 

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Yes, kinship. Kinship is not inbreeding. What is considered one's kin varies greatly among different cultures.

And in several other cultures, not. You also cannot debunk the fact that several japanese mate with their relatives, which is actually referenced in Naruto SD when Neji begins to become infatuated with Hinata.

What I'm saying is, if I'm part of a clan and have a child with someone outside my clan, my child is part of my clan.

And that child can still marry and breed with a blood clan member and in the end it would still be inbreeding. If they didn't do this, they would lose their kekkei genkis, bloodlines and traits, which none of the clans in Naruto have. This is the general theory of what happened to the senju. Konoha became a melting pot for them through peace times and they bred with other clans, which caused their bloodlines and clan to be dissolved.

And now our family is a family within the X clan, held together by kinship and descent, just as you so kindly illustrated. How is this hard to understand?

It's not. The particular clans in Naruto do not fit your description. All the members have the same physical features, techniques both blood tied and not, traits, names, etc.
 
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And in several other cultures, not. You also cannot debunk the fact that several japanese mate with their relatives, which is actually referenced in Naruto SD when Neji begins to become infatuated with Hinata.



And that child can still marry and breed with an blood clan member and in the end it would still be inbreeding. If they didn't do this, they would lose their kekkei genkis, bloodlines and traits, which none of the clans in Naruto have. This is the general theory of what happened to the senju. Konoha became a melting pot for them through peace times and they bred with other clans, which caused their clan to be dissolved.



It's not. The particular clans in Naruto do not fit your description. All the members have the same physical features, techniques both blood tied and not, traits, names, etc.

Which is why in my previous post I said that kekkei genkai must always be the dominant gene. I'm not gonna go into genetics with you, if you want to you can look up dormant/recessive/dominant genes. I'm not saying there can't be inbreeding, I'm saying it doesn't necessarily have to be an inbreeding process.

Not everyone in a Naruto clan has a particular kekkei genkai. Kimmimaro of the Kaguya clan was the the only one who had it. From naruto.wikia:

The [shikotsumyaku] ability seems to be rare amongst the clan members, as Kimimaro is the only known user even prior to his clan being eradicated.

In this case, it was a recessive gene as very few members had it.
 
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