[spoiler] Naruto's Awakening And ...!

[NaruSasuRival]

First, I warn all readers and visitors that in order to accept this thread, you must meet some requirement among which the most obvious are (1) You must not be a Naruto hater, (2) you must be knowledgeable about Naruto and have actually read it rather than looking at cool drawing, and (3) you must forget about Naruto being equal to Sasuke, or Naruto being Yang and Sasuke being Yin, etc.

Now, as the title says, the goal is that Naruto is going through a process of awakening, or enlightenment. In order to understand it, I will start with my preferred panels:

I. A Character shrouded in mysteries and the power within

Yeah, Naruto is shrouded in mysteries, and he has many power hidden within him. Obvious mysterious facts about Naruto are: (1) Who is Minato, (2) Why Kushina is so like Kaguya and why her hair also moves like Kaguya's hair, (3) What are the meaning of the marks on Naruto's face, and (4) what secret Kishi hid by killing the Uzumaki off. This being said, here are some panels:

I.1. Body, Spirit, and Chakra Strength

Naruto's true strength has never been from Kyuubi, but from a power hidden within himself. The way Kishi maneuver about Naruto is the main reason I like Naruto, and always defend Kishi. See here for yourself.

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As you can see above, even if we discount the power of the Uzumaki that Naruto possessed, Yamato said something very important back then - that is Naruto can withstand Kyuubi's chakra because his own chakra is strong. He had Ashura's chakra inside him, and what do we know:

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In this scan, Rikudo said that he understand why Ashura chose Naruto as vessel. Well, Naruto had the body and strength that matches with Ashura's power. Now, recall that the same power Naruto has is what made Hashirama dominated all the bijus just as if they were his pet.

PS: I bet most people have been ignoring Yamato's statement since it was shown, and they are still in denial of the fact that Naruto is a greater beast compared to Kyuubi. However, staying in denial is the same as denying that Hashirama is more powerful than any Biju so far.

I.2. Naruto's Eyes

While this is a stretch, I am one of those Naruto's fans that think Naruto will unlock a dojutsu before the end of the manga. It will be either the same Rinnegan as Hagoromo, or a unique dojutsu that has not been seen yet. So, in this part, I will talk about Naruto's eyes.

First reference to Naruto's eyes was by Neiji, when saying that Naruto's eyes were better than his Byakugan

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Second time was by Yamato when he asked Naruto to see his friend with his own eyes in the context of Naruto's own and true powers

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The last time was by Hagoromo in reference to the eyes of Naruto as said by Gammamaru's prophecy

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From Neiji to Hagoromo, there are differences in interpretation of Naruto's eyes. When mentioning Naruto's eyes, Neiji is referring to what he learned from their fight and about Naruto. That is Naruto can decern easily what the person in front of him is thinking. It is more some kind of weird insight that no one really named across the manga. For Yamato, he is referring to power and feeling as well. Kyuubi's eyes are definitely not normal eyes, and they were filled with anger and hatred. Besides Neiji case, hagoromo's mention is more significant. Why the emphasis on the blue eyes?

As I said, this is a stretch, and I will come back to this at the end of the thread.

I.3. Naruto and Hagoromo

My preferred manga page is this - Naruto's connection to six paths before even meeting Hagoromo

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Another connection of Naruto to Hagoromo

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Most people think this is a mess of translation, but I think it is because some fanboys are trying to deny fact. Here, both Kaguya and BZ recognize Hagoromo and Hamura in Naruto and Sasuke. The two transmigrant of Ashura and Indra are different from the previous one, and guess who made this difference? It is Naruto, not Sasuke. Naruto is simply more than Ashura's reincarnation.

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My point here is that Rikudo was a savior, but he did not achieve his job. He started it, but was caught by time, and left it unfinished. Naruto is the perfect Rikudo, and he is going to do some awesome stuff in the incoming chapters. All the images I showed above contains a lot of unsolved mysteries about Naruto's character.


II. Hagoromo, Madara, Nagato and the Rinnegan!

Yeah, we know Madara unlocked the Rinnegan by mixing Ashura and Indra's chakra. This is what we concluded from BZ, Obito, Madara, and Hagoromo. However, there have always been a mystery in this. Why did Madara unlock Rinnegan when he was very old given that he took Hashirama's cell in his prime? Why couldn't he use Hashirama's cell to remain young? Why did he give the Rinnegan to Nagato, and Uzumaki of the Senju clan?

Another question is why Hagoromo knew that Madara awaken Rinnegan, but is not aware of BZ, the change in the Uchiha stone tablet, etc?

Thus, I think all the characters are hiding something. Even Hagoromo has a secret that he is hiding because this secret may not be good to share with Naruto and Sasuke.

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Madara lost his right eye to Izanagi

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Old Madara who mind-tricked Obito is missing his right eye

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So as you can see, the blind eye and the missing eye are conveniently in the same place. Seems to me that Madara may not be the one to awaken the Rinnegan. The choice of Nagato is very specific along with the destruction of the Uzumaki clan. Also, why the previous transmigrant who also had Indra and Ashura's chakra did not unlock Rinnegan?

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See, Madara's missing eye before and after Rinnegan, Nagato having Rinnegan, the destruction of the Uzumaki clan, and the fact that the previous transmigrant could not awaken Rinnegan cause some mysteries here.


Issue: Could it Be that Nagato unlocked the Rinnegan on his own?


III. Conclusion

To sum up, I tried to draw the attention of the origins of Naruto's powers, his connection to Ashura and Hagoromo, and all the mysteries in the series. I think it is safe not to trust anyone, including Hagoromo because:

(1) everyone trying to use the kids to obtain his goal
(2) Hagoromo is definitely hidding a dark past, and he is also regretful on his decision towards Indra's way.

Give your thoughts.

 

[Trúth]

Its way to long to read. Summarize it bro.

 

[ugh]

Its way to long to read. Summarize it bro.

III. Conclusion

To sum up, I tried to draw the attention of the origins of Naruto's powers, his connection to Ashura and Hagoromo, and all the mysteries in the series. I think it is safe not to trust anyone, including Hagoromo because:

(1) everyone trying to use the kids to obtain his goal
(2) Hagoromo is definitely hidding a dark past, and he is also regretful on his decision towards Indra's way.

Give your thoughts. --------------- Did you not see this? XD

 

[Trúth]

XD I did not! Just skipped the whole thing. OT: I prolly agree based on summary

III. Conclusion

To sum up, I tried to draw the attention of the origins of Naruto's powers, his connection to Ashura and Hagoromo, and all the mysteries in the series. I think it is safe not to trust anyone, including Hagoromo because:

(1) everyone trying to use the kids to obtain his goal
(2) Hagoromo is definitely hidding a dark past, and he is also regretful on his decision towards Indra's way.

Give your thoughts. --------------- Did you not see this? XD

 

[Angelic.]

no. madara unlocked rinne. he had a spare eye. he gave it to nagato. no other transmigrant came close.

seems strange hago doesnt know about bz aproaching indra migrants.

 

[rollin]

It meant that his chakra was strong enough to handle kuramas chakra

 

[InvaderRaz]

Linking Kushina to Kaguya was a bit of a stretch, I think Madara did awaken his own rinne but it just took a very long time to awaken due to him not being able to mold the chakra together and had to wait for it to happen naturally.

 

[Liquid Snake]

yea i like naruto but he doesnt need a dojutsu i would prefer more control over his wind element as in using more wind based moves and yes naruto is like hago but sasuke is like hamura he also has ascended indra, indra didnt have rinnegan and also it was madara that awakened rinnegan he chose nagato because of his strong chakra and he could summon the gedo statue. but i would like to know what happened to kushina's clan

 

[MWQ]

Good read!

Maybe so6p= (senju+uzumaki) + uchiha

 

[so12p]

Long, but I read it. I wished I had not. Your premise is faulty from conjecture and misstatements.

 

[flyboyissac]

i can't rep since i rep+ recently i guess

but this is a great thread But it seems naruto is holding more back then we think as he was able to break the hold of kaguya and sasuke couldn't.

i don't think he might get a dojustu since that would cover up who he really is the blue eyed boy.

 

[Byron123]

While you have made some good points, there are some others which are more biased.

1)For example, you say at first that kaguya saw in naruto and sasuke her sons because of the former but this contradicts a previous chapter when she thought that they were indeed her sons' reincarnations but she later disproved that notion by concluding that they were Ashura and Indra.

2) As for Naruto's eyes you said it yourself that is a stretch to conclude something like this from these panels so I won't say anything.

3) Also, what exactly do you suggest with Nagato? If Madara, didn't awaken them, then how he ended up having them? There can be many explanations about his rinnegan you know.

There is a misconception about rinnegan. Kabuto has never stated that you need EMS to evolve it into rinnegan. He has never said: sharingan>MS>EMS>Rinnegan. He only said this:

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In other words, sharingan can evolve straight into rinnegan, if you have senju dna and ofc if you have the chakra or both of the previous ressurections. That being said, Madara might have truly used Izuna's eyes, but at the end he might have replaced his brother's with his originals. So his original pair of sharingan, that later became MS, that was the one which actually evolved into rinnegan. In other words, the one eye that he had as an elder and the one that Obito implanted was in actuality all along Izuna's while Madara's were implanted in Nagato. Now if you go by saying then why when he was revived he could turn his sharingan to EMS and then rinnegan, I will simply state the fact that Kabuto had made modifications on him so everything is allowed.

 

[ethris]

Its way to long to read. Summarize it bro.

youss a fool. u should read it , its good. tho i wasnt sure at first where u were going with madaras eyes. but other than that i like it all. +rep

 

[NaruSasuRival]

While you have made some good points, there are some others which are more biased.

1)For example, you say at first that kaguya saw in naruto and sasuke her sons because of the former but this contradicts a previous chapter when she thought that they were indeed her sons' reincarnations but she later disproved that notion by concluding that they were Ashura and Indra.

It is clear that Kaguya was doubting when she first saw Naruto and Sasuke. She first thought they were Hagoromo and Hamura, then she change and asked that they were Ashura and Indra. It was all speculations from Kaguya. She concluded that if they were Ashura and Indra, then they must have received power from Hagoromo.

The key here is her speculation. From this, we can draw some facts:

a. Naruto and Sasuke have jutsus from Hagoromo and Hamura, respectively
b. Maybe they are not just Ashura and Indra's reincarnation as well.

Now, in chapter 681, a lot of things happened:

(c) We notice that BZ was again speculating about Naruto and Sasuke meeting Hagoromo because they knew Kaguya's name. this means that either BZ did not know already that they met Hagoromo, or there are many entities in BZ that is BZ and Kaguya are not communicating their mind.

(d) In the entire chapter 681, the topic was the sons of Kaguya. Naruto was Hagoromo and Sasuke was Hamura. This actually started in chapter 680 as far as Naruto is concerned

3) Also, what exactly do you suggest with Nagato? If Madara, didn't awaken them, then how he ended up having them? There can be many explanations about his rinnegan you know.

Have you ever asked yourself why Nagato did not used his Rinnegan as soon as Madara gave it to him if Madara is the one who gave it to him? My answer is Nagato did not have the Rinnegan until he opened it. Obito said that the power of the Rinnegan is so great that he couldn't even control one. Yet, a Kid Nagato is said to have two when he did not know, and lived peacefully until some age. This is a serious problem.

Don't you find curious that Madara awaken Rinnegan, gave it to Nagato, and still manage to place his new Sharingan in way that was identical to when he lost his eye to Izanagi.

Finally, is it possible that both BZ and Madara lied to Obito and others. What if Madara never awaken Rinnegan to begin with?

There is a misconception about rinnegan. Kabuto has never stated that you need EMS to evolve it into rinnegan. He has never said: sharingan>MS>EMS>Rinnegan. He only said this:

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In other words, sharingan can evolve straight into rinnegan, if you have senju dna and ofc if you have the chakra or both of the previous ressurections. That being said, Madara might have truly used Izuna's eyes, but at the end he might have replaced his brother's with his originals. So his original pair of sharingan, that later became MS, that was the one which actually evolved into rinnegan. In other words, the one eye that he had as an elder and the one that Obito implanted was in actuality all along Izuna's while Madara's were implanted in Nagato. Now if you go by saying then why when he was revived he could turn his sharingan to EMS and then rinnegan, I will simply state the fact that Kabuto had made modifications on him so everything is allowed.

I doubt that Sharingan can evolved into Rinnegan if you have the chakra of both transmigrant. What is said is the chakra of both transmigrant is the basis for Rinnegan, not their eyes or body. You need to understand that after implanted your brother's eye to obtain Rinnegan, these eyes mix with your own. This is why the patterns and power of your eyes change. You can't use your eyes anymore because they have lost their light.

Next, it is actually a mistake to believe that Rinnegan is an evolution of Sharingan due to mixing transmigrant power. This is wrong because Rinnegan is a dojutsus on its own. It does neither depends on Sharingan nor on Senju DNA. It is a power that can be unlock without any of these two. The origin of Rinnegan is still unknown, and will be seen only when we see how Hagoromo unlocked it.

Now, we have two issues here: (1) Edo Madara was revived with Sharingan, unlock Rinnegan because Kabuto made a modification to his body (Madara was not transmigrant anymore, yet Rinnegan was unlocked), and could switch between Sharingan and Rinnegan, meaning the two power were disjoint. (2) Nagato is Uzumaki with better usage of Rinnegan over Obito Uchiha, and I can even say over Madara.

There is an inherent flaw in the story, and it stems from Nagato being entrusted Madara's Rinnegan in a very awkward manner without any guarantee that he will accomplish what Madara wants from him. See, there is a problem here because Madara was being manipulated by BZ, and BZ was a liar. This is why I brought this issue - that is I cannot trust any of these accounts. Add to it the destruction of the Uzumaki clan which is a mystery until now.

 

[Byron123]

It is clear that Kaguya was doubting when she first saw Naruto and Sasuke. She first thought they were Hagoromo and Hamura, then she change and asked that they were Ashura and Indra. It was all speculations from Kaguya. She concluded that if they were Ashura and Indra, then they must have received power from Hagoromo.

The key here is her speculation. From this, we can draw some facts:

a. Naruto and Sasuke have jutsus from Hagoromo and Hamura, respectively
b. Maybe they are not just Ashura and Indra's reincarnation as well.

Now, in chapter 681, a lot of things happened:

(c) We notice that BZ was again speculating about Naruto and Sasuke meeting Hagoromo because they knew Kaguya's name. this means that either BZ did not know already that they met Hagoromo, or there are many entities in BZ that is BZ and Kaguya are not communicating their mind.

(d) In the entire chapter 681, the topic was the sons of Kaguya. Naruto was Hagoromo and Sasuke was Hamura. This actually started in chapter 680 as far as Naruto is concerned



Have you ever asked yourself why Nagato did not used his Rinnegan as soon as Madara gave it to him if Madara is the one who gave it to him? My answer is Nagato did not have the Rinnegan until he opened it. Obito said that the power of the Rinnegan is so great that he couldn't even control one. Yet, a Kid Nagato is said to have two when he did not know, and lived peacefully until some age. This is a serious problem.

Don't you find curious that Madara awaken Rinnegan, gave it to Nagato, and still manage to place his new Sharingan in way that was identical to when he lost his eye to Izanagi.

Finally, is it possible that both BZ and Madara lied to Obito and others. What if Madara never awaken Rinnegan to begin with?



I doubt that Sharingan can evolved into Rinnegan if you have the chakra of both transmigrant. What is said is the chakra of both transmigrant is the basis for Rinnegan, not their eyes or body. You need to understand that after implanted your brother's eye to obtain Rinnegan, these eyes mix with your own. This is why the patterns and power of your eyes change. You can't use your eyes anymore because they have lost their light.

Next, it is actually a mistake to believe that Rinnegan is an evolution of Sharingan due to mixing transmigrant power. This is wrong because Rinnegan is a dojutsus on its own. It does neither depends on Sharingan nor on Senju DNA. It is a power that can be unlock without any of these two. The origin of Rinnegan is still unknown, and will be seen only when we see how Hagoromo unlocked it.

Now, we have two issues here: (1) Edo Madara was revived with Sharingan, unlock Rinnegan because Kabuto made a modification to his body (Madara was not transmigrant anymore, yet Rinnegan was unlocked), and could switch between Sharingan and Rinnegan, meaning the two power were disjoint. (2) Nagato is Uzumaki with better usage of Rinnegan over Obito Uchiha, and I can even say over Madara.

There is an inherent flaw in the story, and it stems from Nagato being entrusted Madara's Rinnegan in a very awkward manner without any guarantee that he will accomplish what Madara wants from him. See, there is a problem here because Madara was being manipulated by BZ, and BZ was a liar. This is why I brought this issue - that is I cannot trust any of these accounts. Add to it the destruction of the Uzumaki clan which is a mystery until now.

My question though is that if Nagato's eyes were his own, then whose rinnegan were the ones that we saw Madara having in his late age? Besides, which would be Obito's and Madara's reason for lying about that? AN ethical explanation about being the real owners? As for Nagato. He did awaken them but this doesn't contradict with them being borrowed. For isntance, Kakashi had awakened his MS very early in his life yet, it wasn't till much later that he used them. Now you can say that he simply didn't have what it takes, still I believe that we should have at least making an effort in using them. I think that rinnegan works differently to sharingan. If a sharingan is borrowed, it can't be deactivated and it drains its user chakra. However, I think that rinnegan can be visible without being activated. In other words, till Nagato awoke it, it wasn't draining his chakra. Also, he might have actually being capable to stop its drain of chakra by deactivating. We don't know if it works in the exact same way with the sharingan.

 

[NaruSasuRival]

My question though is that if Nagato's eyes were his own, then whose rinnegan were the ones that we saw Madara having in his late age? Besides, which would be Obito's and Madara's reason for lying about that? AN ethical explanation about being the real owners?

First, I want us to be on the same page - that is we are speculating because something is weird in the manga. We have no clue on what going on. Second, I am certain I am not the first person to bring this issue to discussion. It has been here for a long time, and was dropped when Obito gave his flashback. In that flashbacks, Obito did actually not see Madara awaken Rinnegan. Obito was saying only what Madara told him. Thus, the only statements about Madara's Rinnegan are Madara's, Hagoromo's, and BZ.

A reason for Madara to lie would be to convince Obito to go after Nagato. Notice that Nagato believe the Rinnegan is his own, and Obito need to believe it is Madara's Rinnegan. Another reason would be for Kishi to keep some mysteries about Naruto. Notice that if it was said that Nagato awakened his own Rinnegan, we would have concluded that Naruto will awaken Rinnegan.

For example, a loophole in BZ's statement is that he tried to make previous transmigrant to awaken Rinnegan, and he failed. Then, he noticed Madara could. This is inconsistent because Madara has nothing more than the other Uchiha transmigrant. Hashirama has nothing more too. They both had Ashura and Indra's chakra that other transmigrant before them had.

If we go by logic, either every pair of transmigrant can awaken Rinnegan, or none of them can, especially given that all Indra transmigrants have the same sharingan.

Finally, the reason they lied is that they are simply liars who use others to reach their goal. they cannot be trusted.

As for Nagato. He did awaken them but this doesn't contradict with them being borrowed. For isntance, Kakashi had awakened his MS very early in his life yet, it wasn't till much later that he used them. Now you can say that he simply didn't have what it takes, still I believe that we should have at least making an effort in using them.

When you give an eye to a person, this eye is already activated. Thus, that eye should be used immediately. This is why kakashi could use sharingan right after he got one from Obito. The reason kakashi did not use mangyeko was that he faded out when Obito unlokced it because he wasn't strong enough. After that, he had no intels on his mangyeko until he met Itachi's Mangyeko. I am pretty sure Kakashi speculated on him having it, then was able to switch to it.

I think that rinnegan works differently to sharingan. If a sharingan is borrowed, it can't be deactivated and it drains its user chakra. However, I think that rinnegan can be visible without being activated. In other words, till Nagato awoke it, it wasn't draining his chakra. Also, he might have actually being capable to stop its drain of chakra by deactivating. We don't know if it works in the exact same way with the sharingan.

Basically, what you are saying is that after Madara gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, that Rinnegan was sealed, or its power was removed for sometime until Nagato got 12 or so. So Nagato had normal eyes until he got 12 or so. Where did the Rinnegan power came from then for him to awaken it?

Speaking of the power, teenager Nagato used Rinnegan (2 of them) while a born Uchiha with half Senju DNA cannot use a single Rinnegan. This is the greatest puzzle, isn't it.

 

[InvaderRaz]

loving this discussion... you guys are coming up with great points and is making me wonder if Nagato did actually awaken in on his own and what the implications of that could be.

Pure Speculation: Naruto will awaken a blue Rinnegan and make us all shit ourselves!

 

[The Work]

Hmmm well interesting theory.

I'll just wait and see what the series shows us lol.

 

[Byron123]

First, I want us to be on the same page - that is we are speculating because something is weird in the manga. We have no clue on what going on. Second, I am certain I am not the first person to bring this issue to discussion. It has been here for a long time, and was dropped when Obito gave his flashback. In that flashbacks, Obito did actually not see Madara awaken Rinnegan. Obito was saying only what Madara told him. Thus, the only statements about Madara's Rinnegan are Madara's, Hagoromo's, and BZ.

A reason for Madara to lie would be to convince Obito to go after Nagato. Notice that Nagato believe the Rinnegan is his own, and Obito need to believe it is Madara's Rinnegan. Another reason would be for Kishi to keep some mysteries about Naruto. Notice that if it was said that Nagato awakened his own Rinnegan, we would have concluded that Naruto will awaken Rinnegan.

For example, a loophole in BZ's statement is that he tried to make previous transmigrant to awaken Rinnegan, and he failed. Then, he noticed Madara could. This is inconsistent because Madara has nothing more than the other Uchiha transmigrant. Hashirama has nothing more too. They both had Ashura and Indra's chakra that other transmigrant before them had.

If we go by logic, either every pair of transmigrant can awaken Rinnegan, or none of them can, especially given that all Indra transmigrants have the same sharingan.

Finally, the reason they lied is that they are simply liars who use others to reach their goal. they cannot be trusted.



When you give an eye to a person, this eye is already activated. Thus, that eye should be used immediately. This is why kakashi could use sharingan right after he got one from Obito. The reason kakashi did not use mangyeko was that he faded out when Obito unlokced it because he wasn't strong enough. After that, he had no intels on his mangyeko until he met Itachi's Mangyeko. I am pretty sure Kakashi speculated on him having it, then was able to switch to it.




Basically, what you are saying is that after Madara gave his Rinnegan to Nagato, that Rinnegan was sealed, or its power was removed for sometime until Nagato got 12 or so. So Nagato had normal eyes until he got 12 or so. Where did the Rinnegan power came from then for him to awaken it?

Speaking of the power, teenager Nagato used Rinnegan (2 of them) while a born Uchiha with half Senju DNA cannot use a single Rinnegan. This is the greatest puzzle, isn't it.

1) First as far as Madara goes, it's not merely his words that I believe but Hagoromo's himself. Unless you don't tust neither him, then the conspiracy begins from Hagoromo himself. Another reason for believing that Madara did awaken them naturally is the fact that when he was revived, he could change from sharingan to EMS and finally to rinnegan. Also, Obito stated that he had difficulty even with the control of only of these sharingan. If Madara's rinnegan were indeed borrowed, do you suggest that he was so incredibly powerful on his own to control 2 borrowed rinnegan? Also, BZ's statement is not a tricky one, it's just the way you decide to interpret it. For instance to me he says that he tried to tempt other uchiha to awaken the rinnegan but to no avail or maybe that they simply didn't manage t get the chakra of Ashura's transmigrant and vice versa. He may have noticed that about madara because he was power hungry and knew that he could go after such power.


2) About the borrowed eyes I don't suggest that they can't be activated when they're given but rather not to their full potential and such example is Kakashi with his MS and even Sasuke who started to use the sharingan way later in his life while he had first awakened it with his first traumatised experience.


3) What I suggest about Nagato is that there is some kind of auto- deactivation of a dojutsu when its user can't handle its power-for rinnegan only. That being said, when Nagato was first given Madara's eyes, his human body immediately deactivated as means to prevent him from overloss of chakra and thus death. In acuality, Nagato first awakened the rinnegan to avenge his parents' deaths but even then it was just a moment so there wasn't such danger. Like in the cases I stated above, he simply didn't know how to control it well back then. I agree with the comparison you made with Obito but at the end of the day all of this may come down to him being an uzumaki. After all, uzumaki as you said are indeed a mystery. Thry might be compatible for an inexplicable so far reason.
Though for Nagato I can think of another reason. In contrast to other borrowed eyes that were given to random guys-except from Obito- if a borrowed is given to someone who is compatible to it, then the said person might be able to deactivate it. If Uzumaki are indeed compatible, then he might have been able to deactivate them on his own. Obito on the other hand might not have been compatible for an unknown reason. After all, he did not awaken them naturally and maybe that's the reason.

 

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