Establishing that everyone who tried to manipulate Sasuke failed at the end
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Nah rock lee beats him. Even guy who has no intelligent can get him be his carbon copy
Nagato beats him too. One panel tnj by naruto. And got played by Tobi till the next time got manipulated
You said easiest Uchiha ever. I only brought up Itachi because he's an Uchiha. Are you even reading what you write. No that doesn't mean it's easy. It means he's vulnerable given his circumstance however what good is that when Sasuke just uses them at the end and their plans backfire.
Yup pretty much. Oro got used bad.
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I agree bro. People overlook the fact Sasuke wanted something from these guys as well and betrayed them the 1st chance he got.
He succeeded but it wasn't through manipulation. It was because Sasuke wanted to like I explained. U_U
Bad Touch Yakushi
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Whilst I agree Sasuke has become an independent young man now, he undeniably was led down paths and controlled consciously or not but Obito and Itachi.
The entire point of this panel is Sasuke taking in and ignoring everyones influences in his life and a LOT of people put influence onto him: Hashirama, Danzo, Obito, Orochimaru, Naruto and most notably Itachi and this was about him making his first totally unbiased decision free from all of that.
It's not a negative thing but it's an fundamental part of Sasuke's development that he WAS manipulated to some end.
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The entire point of this panel is Sasuke taking in and ignoring everyones influences in his life and a LOT of people put influence onto him: Hashirama, Danzo, Obito, Orochimaru, Naruto and most notably Itachi and this was about him making his first totally unbiased decision free from all of that.
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It's not a negative thing but it's an fundamental part of Sasuke's development that he WAS manipulated to some end.
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Come to think of it.... yes you are right. He literally used Orochimaru like a dog. Lol
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But this was literally the biggest moment of Sasuke's character arc, it was directly addressed by Kishi and it's painfully obvious.
AllHailKurama
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You brought up what Itachi did to Sasuke when he was young in order to defend Sasuke against my statement as Sasuke being easy to manipulate. Your involvement of Itachi in the manner that you did is irrelevant to the point that I was making. The correct way for you to use Itachi would have been to give examples of how Itachi was more easily manipulated than Sasuke. You did not.
Which reminds me: why did you even bring up Hashirama in this thread, you never answered that...Are there actually people that believe Hashirama was trying to manipulate Sasuke?
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Ultimately yes, none of them succeeded in 'the end' because Sasuke due to the influence of those around him was able to come to his moral conclusion on his own. He was put on the spot and without bias listened to The 4 Hokage, Orochimaru, Naruto, Obito, Danzo AND Itachi whilst making his own mature decision.
But the thing is his character arc depends entirely on the fact that he has been lied to and manipulated from since a child. It's not a negative thing and I think some of the defensive fans are taking it as something they have to protect him against but really no, he was vulnerable and reckless and young and influenced easily (I think a character even openly say that actually) but that just adds to the awesomely written character when he overcomes it.
But the thing is his character arc depends entirely on the fact that he has been lied to and manipulated from since a child. It's not a negative thing and I think some of the defensive fans are taking it as something they have to protect him against but really no, he was vulnerable and reckless and young and influenced easily (I think a character even openly say that actually) but that just adds to the awesomely written character when he overcomes it.
Have you ever heard of Hashirama tnj Sasuke and yes I have heard it before. Alas it's irrelevant unless you're a Sasuke hater so why even indulge it. I used Obito and Madara as well in my example. Please don't ignore that and Who cares if I brought up Itachi. You brought up all Uchiha in general. Again do you read what you write.
AllHailKurama
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I know that he TNJ'd him to an extent, but I didn't know that people (haters or not) considered Hashirama to be manipulating him.
I gave you Obito and Madara, they turned out to be pretty easy to manipulate as well. I never disputed that. All I was saying is that the manner in which you brought up Itachi is irrelevant to the point I was making. Nothing more, nothing less. But that's a moot point now, I guess.
That was a better answer than your last post. I agree Sasuke was manipulated to some degree but thats another thing that makes his character awesome. Betraying the bad guy after getting what he wants and following his own path.
Bad Touch Yakushi
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Mm. People are too quick to defend or insult characters on this site which means that an actual really interesting bit of writing is overlooked as a negative thing that people can laugh at Sasuke for. When really imo it's the coolest thing about his character, he grew up.
The exact same thing happens with Naruto too. TnJ is too quickly disregarded and laughed at.