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They are like ants in front of Manda 2. Their combined power could (maybe) remove a nail from its finger. Just look up at how big Manda 2 is and then comment.
[Debate] Ejblack vs Kifflom ; DSM Kabuto vs The Gokage
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They are like ants in front of Manda 2. Their combined power could (maybe) remove a nail from its finger. Just look up at how big Manda 2 is and then comment.
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Sorry for the wait guys, i was jus way too busy, here is my response and reasoning as to why the gokage would win:
REASONING
SUMMARY:
--With the starting distance of 50m, and the location being on an outside terrain, the gokage are already at an advantage. The battle begins with Onoki lighening A and Gaaras sand in the gourd, as its highly unlikely that kabuto would attack the 5 kage right from the beginning by himself without any strategy; With that being said, A can then enter in his RNY V1 or V2 as his speed would be enhanced significantly to an extent where kabuto wont be able to react once the former enters V2. Seeing how V2 alone was able to dodge something as fast as Amaterasu without much efforts, added to the fact that A is lightened by Onoki. The formers speed is enhanced even more.
--The location is a huge advantage for Gaara as he can use his large scale sand techniques to overwhelm Kabuto, and can use them more efficiently. With Onoki being able to lighten his gourd, Gaaras sand speed is enhanced even more. The gokage also have the numbers and diversions to allow onoki lightening the surrounding sand as well. Gaara can also proceed to give all the kages the advantage of flight as the gokage can use their mid/long range attacks to coutner most of kabutos blows which are mostly close combat based.
-- Although Manda 2 can give Kabuto some additional firepower, the fact is that the gokage can deal with it. Jinton is a nightmare for Manda 2, it still being a living thing is the reason why and since the jutsu can still atomise the snake through its large AOE furthermore the fact that the snake isn’t mobile enough to evade its range completely as the snake cant afford to get hit by jinton at all, otherwise the snake would lose half of its body, and would be unable to operate properly. The gokage can also immobilise it by burying it underneath the sand through sand tsunami and large scale sand techniques are much easier for gaara here due to the locational advantage. Large scale Yoton can literally be spammed by mei and will also allow the kages to effectively stall manda whilst the kage are still on gaaras sand which gives them the speed and range to be safe from most of mandas attacks whilst still attacking manda 2. Tsunade being able to buff onoki and allow him to fire off Jinton that can atomise the entire terrain makes it even easier for gokage to atomise manda 2. Not only that but Onoki was stated to have been able to destroy the whole turtle island (WHERE MANDA 2 was present),
this further implies the notion of the manga that the gokage can atomise the giant snake, if u disagree then Tsunade can buff him far more and make him fire a jinton large enough to completely atomise it and kabuto as well
--Tayuyas genjutsu (Mugen Onsa) is meaningless, seeing how someone of shikamarus level could break the attack, and the fact that the genjutsus range isn’t even remotely enough to get to the gokage. moreover, gaara is a sensor here, he can detect the oncoming attack and since he can assist the gokage in giving them mobility, the attack is evaded, and the time frame of the attack is easily bypassed. The gokage have the mobility and the adequate diversions to evade the attack and counterattack kabuto thus rendering the technique useless
--Tsunade being able to heal the gokage this time constantly and use katsuyu much effectively gives the gokage a huge advantage, she can buff onoki quite a bit and make him fire large scale jintons that will atomise the entire terrain, and the fact that Onoki is fresh here, allows him to fire such jinton more frequently. Katsuyu will be used to heal the gokages as kabuto lacks any way whatsover to harm it, since the summon can split herself and reach kabuto to use its acid against him.
--All in all the gokage are far too versatile, have the numbers advantage, are quicker, and are much more mobile than kabuto, as they have the means to counter all his abilities and can win this match decisively.
Not only that but he is significantly slower than ligheneed V2 A, who would constantly be on the offense against him, and the fact that Kabuto has to maintain his physical form in-order to attack is why he is going to get ragdolled a couple of times, The best he can do with this liquifying technique is run away, which isnt a good strategy since he is still vulnerable to jinton, which is landed through the gokages teamwork skills as stated above.
A good counter to this technique is Meis boil release (FUTTON) which can increase the pH levels of Kabuto significantly as the latter is still vulnerable to high acidity. Furthermore kabuto doesnt have the cave location advantage to spread around and make himself difficult to detect and with gaara being a sensor, and the water standing out in the sand, he is located and is still vulnerable to sand based attacks, Meis KKGs and Jinton
Muki Tensei is countered by Meis lava release which has more than enough heat to divert kabutos control over nature, and with the location being the desert Gaara has far more control over the sand that Kabuto, and can use it without the expense of too much chakra. Futhermore with the gokages having the numbers advantage and with A/Onokis mobility alongside Gaara giving them flight, Muki Tensei is moot for Kabuto as the latter is doing nothing but wasting his chakra, Since Kabuto would be literally left stationary whilst using the technique and the fact is that having amplified sand here is meaningless since he is a sitting duck for gokage to attack whilst gaara counters his sand.
--A & Onoki combo have more than enough mobility to evade the attacks range, and the bold jus further emphasises my point as to why white rage is not the effective strategy despite it being one of kabutos best techniques
Having the support of Senjutsu or Muki Tensei which is easily countered and is simply a waste of chakra makes this attack completely useless
Kabuto cant use White Rage and the bracken dance (BD) simultaneously, furhermore A can easily evade the oncoming attacks the kabuto may utilise and with gaara being able to give each of the kages the necessary flight makes it futile. kimimaros bones are also not even scratching A's RNY neither are they harming Tsunade
REASONING
SUMMARY:
--With the starting distance of 50m, and the location being on an outside terrain, the gokage are already at an advantage. The battle begins with Onoki lighening A and Gaaras sand in the gourd, as its highly unlikely that kabuto would attack the 5 kage right from the beginning by himself without any strategy; With that being said, A can then enter in his RNY V1 or V2 as his speed would be enhanced significantly to an extent where kabuto wont be able to react once the former enters V2. Seeing how V2 alone was able to dodge something as fast as Amaterasu without much efforts, added to the fact that A is lightened by Onoki. The formers speed is enhanced even more.
--The location is a huge advantage for Gaara as he can use his large scale sand techniques to overwhelm Kabuto, and can use them more efficiently. With Onoki being able to lighten his gourd, Gaaras sand speed is enhanced even more. The gokage also have the numbers and diversions to allow onoki lightening the surrounding sand as well. Gaara can also proceed to give all the kages the advantage of flight as the gokage can use their mid/long range attacks to coutner most of kabutos blows which are mostly close combat based.
-- Although Manda 2 can give Kabuto some additional firepower, the fact is that the gokage can deal with it. Jinton is a nightmare for Manda 2, it still being a living thing is the reason why and since the jutsu can still atomise the snake through its large AOE furthermore the fact that the snake isn’t mobile enough to evade its range completely as the snake cant afford to get hit by jinton at all, otherwise the snake would lose half of its body, and would be unable to operate properly. The gokage can also immobilise it by burying it underneath the sand through sand tsunami and large scale sand techniques are much easier for gaara here due to the locational advantage. Large scale Yoton can literally be spammed by mei and will also allow the kages to effectively stall manda whilst the kage are still on gaaras sand which gives them the speed and range to be safe from most of mandas attacks whilst still attacking manda 2. Tsunade being able to buff onoki and allow him to fire off Jinton that can atomise the entire terrain makes it even easier for gokage to atomise manda 2. Not only that but Onoki was stated to have been able to destroy the whole turtle island (WHERE MANDA 2 was present),
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--Tayuyas genjutsu (Mugen Onsa) is meaningless, seeing how someone of shikamarus level could break the attack, and the fact that the genjutsus range isn’t even remotely enough to get to the gokage. moreover, gaara is a sensor here, he can detect the oncoming attack and since he can assist the gokage in giving them mobility, the attack is evaded, and the time frame of the attack is easily bypassed. The gokage have the mobility and the adequate diversions to evade the attack and counterattack kabuto thus rendering the technique useless
--Tsunade being able to heal the gokage this time constantly and use katsuyu much effectively gives the gokage a huge advantage, she can buff onoki quite a bit and make him fire large scale jintons that will atomise the entire terrain, and the fact that Onoki is fresh here, allows him to fire such jinton more frequently. Katsuyu will be used to heal the gokages as kabuto lacks any way whatsover to harm it, since the summon can split herself and reach kabuto to use its acid against him.
--All in all the gokage are far too versatile, have the numbers advantage, are quicker, and are much more mobile than kabuto, as they have the means to counter all his abilities and can win this match decisively.
How is that beneficial for Kabuto???
Stating that physical attacks are rendered useless is pure fallacy, the fact is that kabuto cant attack effectively whilst his body is still in the liquid form and with that being said he can only use this technique as a defensive resort.
Not only that but he is significantly slower than ligheneed V2 A, who would constantly be on the offense against him, and the fact that Kabuto has to maintain his physical form in-order to attack is why he is going to get ragdolled a couple of times, The best he can do with this liquifying technique is run away, which isnt a good strategy since he is still vulnerable to jinton, which is landed through the gokages teamwork skills as stated above.
A good counter to this technique is Meis boil release (FUTTON) which can increase the pH levels of Kabuto significantly as the latter is still vulnerable to high acidity. Furthermore kabuto doesnt have the cave location advantage to spread around and make himself difficult to detect and with gaara being a sensor, and the water standing out in the sand, he is located and is still vulnerable to sand based attacks, Meis KKGs and Jinton
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Gaara has the ability to use the sand to an enormous extent since the entire location is his terrain.
Muki Tensei is countered by Meis lava release which has more than enough heat to divert kabutos control over nature, and with the location being the desert Gaara has far more control over the sand that Kabuto, and can use it without the expense of too much chakra. Futhermore with the gokages having the numbers advantage and with A/Onokis mobility alongside Gaara giving them flight, Muki Tensei is moot for Kabuto as the latter is doing nothing but wasting his chakra, Since Kabuto would be literally left stationary whilst using the technique and the fact is that having amplified sand here is meaningless since he is a sitting duck for gokage to attack whilst gaara counters his sand.
White Rage has not shown the time and the range to adequately allow Kabuto to use his attacks effectively. And seeing that the location isn’t a cave but an outside terrain. The effect of the sound isn’t as drastic. Furthermore with gaara being a sensor he can sense the attack and allow most of the kages to fly out of the range for the attack, since White Rage doesn’t have the range or the timeframe to defeat 5 opponents
--A & Onoki combo have more than enough mobility to evade the attacks range, and the bold jus further emphasises my point as to why white rage is not the effective strategy despite it being one of kabutos best techniques
Muki Tensei is not doing kabuto any good since his control over nature is diverted through the heat of yoton, and the fact that gaara can use the ground (sand) far more efficiently and on a large scale thann Kabuto which helps him here.
Doro Domu was destroyed by Part 1 Choji, not only does this jutsu lack the range to get to the gokage but its also far too vulnerable to physical attacks, Tsunades punches or A's taijutsu attacks eradicate the barrier with no difficulty at all, the attack can also be atomised by jinton, which is jjus icing on the cake,and if kabuto is within the attacks radiius then its jus a GG
Having the support of Senjutsu or Muki Tensei which is easily countered and is simply a waste of chakra makes this attack completely useless
Kabuto cant use White Rage and the bracken dance (BD) simultaneously, furhermore A can easily evade the oncoming attacks the kabuto may utilise and with gaara being able to give each of the kages the necessary flight makes it futile. kimimaros bones are also not even scratching A's RNY neither are they harming Tsunade
Already countered above, its not doing kabuto any good at all
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You can't take theevilone serious he think Tsunade can one shot Manda with a punch. L0l she can't even break a Rib cage Susanoo alone.
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dude she was able to bust holes in full susannos anyways not judge but feel like the kiffmun guy had stronger argument he countered everything...
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I have faith in this Kiffmun character.
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P.S Lets try to sneak in a 4 post each other then 3, but I might need to go further in depth explaining things.
-Agree
--90% agree. Due to Gaara sand, once again, being useless on contact with Kabuto.
--Against Manda II, Onoki is the only threat here. Your sand method isn't effective unless you have some proof it can bury something that its length scale is compare to PS. Although he doesn't stand up right, Snakes summonings in the manga are naturally slick in nature proven from Manda I and Aoda. And Manda I already proved and be good at digging and coming out from surface, like if he knows Doton. This snake can move upright enough to strike Onoki before he ever thinks to fly out of range and charge a Jinton. As for one, he would have no idea what he expect, a giant entity, summoned on the field out of no where. Manda II just needs to sense[
--I am going to explain this now: Using the Sound 5 as example for being trump by character they were defeated in lower ranking, isn't an effective counter. As we already know these jutsu are being used by a superior character and with Sage Mode boost that makes Curse Mode look like crap. The manga already disagrees with SM use=/=CM use. Now stating Shikimaru's way of breaking out also doesn't even help your argument as none of them cant use Shadow Stitching to support them breaking them outside realm. You are also exaggerating as if you think the Gokage are fully capable to understand the situation and BFR themselves to avoid it, against Sound base attacks. You also dont even understand the mechanics of how Gaara senses work: It works by physical contact. You cant physically touch Sound with Sand. If they were even somehow do all this, that is completely ignoring Kabuto sensing skill, plus the ability to move with it as well lol.
--Dealing with Katsayu, other then eating her, sure lol[
1.This jutsu will increase Kabuto offensive play, obvious, and defensive play.
1a.Offensively he has more jutsu to use, plus, he now has the ability to multitask. Example, Kabuto uses jutsu, twin demon uses jutsu.
1b. Defensively, Kabuto perceptual ability, with the support of twin demon, can be on defensive from all angles[
Thats because you misunderstood my premise. I was speaking in a general sense with dealing with Phiycal attack such as Ay. I am not literally arguing that Kabuto will fight in puddle form. Kabuto can manipulate his liquidation use. As already proved to counter his own White Rage, he only liquidized his insides, while he can still attack inside the effect. So just by liquifying his inside, he can take any physical blows since they are only going to punching a bag of water. Just imaging using a WaterBed to to practice boxing. Is the Water inside the Bed going to be damaged? No because its just liquid.
Evidence that proofs Mei jutsu= Blaze Release?
1st of all this isn't the cave, he is using Sand. The cave is limestone, with heating capacity of 1339 °C (Kabuto states location reasoning, limestone, from another transaltion). The cave alone can take more then natural lava ranges to 800-1100 (Although it can go way hotter, but Mei is no where near that). Chakra support obviously supports the condition, while Blaze Release heat has fiction higher heating then Lava Release. By location, is also either using the earth itself or Sand on this location, which have different heating capacity too.
2nd Muki Tensei has a very good range, and manga already proved that one spot can be focus, via spiking Itachi. Kabuto just needs to focus and worry to range by contact to him, thats all. So that said, he can reanimate the ground to give him mobility or have the animation focus on a single point, extending him up a certain range in the air, like a platform.
What? The jutsu covered the whole field. By 3D view, the cave length cover V2 Susanoo and by acres, it is as wide as any standard battle we see in the manga[
By feats it covered as much as Edo Fuu Hiding in Scale Powder Technique and better Range then Cee's Lightening Pillar.
The whole premise was to show, they they will not be aware of Kabuto's next move.
1. Already debunk the heating argument. If Gaara is not in the air, which he doesn't unless its a ground attack he sees coming, it wouldn't matter what range his Sand control is, as the range that Kabuto took over will work much faster then his ability to support attempt. Your premise is not clear, how exactly will having better range in sand help in this my premise situation?
2.Debunked this Part1 series counter to Part2 claim. Aren't listening to my premise on how I can put them in range. Already address physical attacks against Kabuto's use of Doton. Jinton is the only thing different stated. Jinton takes charge time, charge time isn't effective here inside the Dome[
Destroying it isn't an option due to the fact that it will simply repair itself once the target does some damage to it and the enemy's Jutsu will be absorbed, even the ground[
Which is why I made my Intro premise to make this possible. Once they focus too much on these spikes, Kabuto uses Snake summoning's mass to swap them down, considering he can warp anywhere from the bones, making it the perfect backstab. How is Ay tanking it? Is it going to pushing him more upward without no damage or penetration? Why do you think Tsuade isn't getting harmed? She easily gets crucified, with no one to help (or it would be suicide).
Since you were to first to bring out Manda II, I decided to clean up this match up by using him. Once this monster is summoned, the large monster will be able to block the view of Kabuto's next motive. Just like in your premise of how much focus Manda II will give the Gokage, Kabuto takes advantage of this, and create 2 Shadow clones by using Orochimaru via Twin Demon[
One can hide inside Manda II, by either going in his noes, or use Sakon KKG to enter inside. This clone will continue to play Sound Genjutsu while Gokage struggle to face this monster.
The other will use Kidomaru's ability and mold a golden arrow, using its range to catch Onoki, which Onoki will not be able to avoid, since 1 Kabuto's perceptual ability to track down his movements and 2) the arrow can be guided.
The Orignal will hide underground, waiting for the perfect moment to strike. He can also set up snakes to jam with Gaara's Sand Sensing by doing this [
Once Onoki goes down the other Kages arent a threat at all.
1. Eventually, Tsunade gets decapitated Senpou Chakra Scalpel
2. Eventually, so does Mei Senpou Chakra Scalpel
3. Raikage will be a bit tricky but eventually, just like my Sakon 360 block premise, he uses Jirobo to absorb his Raiton armor[
4. Gaara loses with Senpou Bones, as if he was almost defeated with canonically. Sound base attacks, or using Tayuya ethereal worms, that can bypass anything physical.
I summarized these people there is nothing they can do to beat Kabuto without Onoki's Jinton.
-Agree
--90% agree. Due to Gaara sand, once again, being useless on contact with Kabuto.
--Against Manda II, Onoki is the only threat here. Your sand method isn't effective unless you have some proof it can bury something that its length scale is compare to PS. Although he doesn't stand up right, Snakes summonings in the manga are naturally slick in nature proven from Manda I and Aoda. And Manda I already proved and be good at digging and coming out from surface, like if he knows Doton. This snake can move upright enough to strike Onoki before he ever thinks to fly out of range and charge a Jinton. As for one, he would have no idea what he expect, a giant entity, summoned on the field out of no where. Manda II just needs to sense[
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], Onoki's presence easy and snake strike him. You already proved that the Kages will all have to focus on Manda II, so by your premise, Kabuto can do his own thing while they are dealing with Manda.--I am going to explain this now: Using the Sound 5 as example for being trump by character they were defeated in lower ranking, isn't an effective counter. As we already know these jutsu are being used by a superior character and with Sage Mode boost that makes Curse Mode look like crap. The manga already disagrees with SM use=/=CM use. Now stating Shikimaru's way of breaking out also doesn't even help your argument as none of them cant use Shadow Stitching to support them breaking them outside realm. You are also exaggerating as if you think the Gokage are fully capable to understand the situation and BFR themselves to avoid it, against Sound base attacks. You also dont even understand the mechanics of how Gaara senses work: It works by physical contact. You cant physically touch Sound with Sand. If they were even somehow do all this, that is completely ignoring Kabuto sensing skill, plus the ability to move with it as well lol.
--Dealing with Katsayu, other then eating her, sure lol[
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]. Like I said with Onoki being the only threat, Kabuto easily can kill him off first.1.This jutsu will increase Kabuto offensive play, obvious, and defensive play.
1a.Offensively he has more jutsu to use, plus, he now has the ability to multitask. Example, Kabuto uses jutsu, twin demon uses jutsu.
1b. Defensively, Kabuto perceptual ability, with the support of twin demon, can be on defensive from all angles[
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].Thats because you misunderstood my premise. I was speaking in a general sense with dealing with Phiycal attack such as Ay. I am not literally arguing that Kabuto will fight in puddle form. Kabuto can manipulate his liquidation use. As already proved to counter his own White Rage, he only liquidized his insides, while he can still attack inside the effect. So just by liquifying his inside, he can take any physical blows since they are only going to punching a bag of water. Just imaging using a WaterBed to to practice boxing. Is the Water inside the Bed going to be damaged? No because its just liquid.
Evidence that proofs Mei jutsu= Blaze Release?
1st of all this isn't the cave, he is using Sand. The cave is limestone, with heating capacity of 1339 °C (Kabuto states location reasoning, limestone, from another transaltion). The cave alone can take more then natural lava ranges to 800-1100 (Although it can go way hotter, but Mei is no where near that). Chakra support obviously supports the condition, while Blaze Release heat has fiction higher heating then Lava Release. By location, is also either using the earth itself or Sand on this location, which have different heating capacity too.
2nd Muki Tensei has a very good range, and manga already proved that one spot can be focus, via spiking Itachi. Kabuto just needs to focus and worry to range by contact to him, thats all. So that said, he can reanimate the ground to give him mobility or have the animation focus on a single point, extending him up a certain range in the air, like a platform.
What? The jutsu covered the whole field. By 3D view, the cave length cover V2 Susanoo and by acres, it is as wide as any standard battle we see in the manga[
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]<-- I drew black arrows to further shows how far out the cave can go. White Range and Muki Tensei was able to cover that type of range.By feats it covered as much as Edo Fuu Hiding in Scale Powder Technique and better Range then Cee's Lightening Pillar.
The whole premise was to show, they they will not be aware of Kabuto's next move.
1. Already debunk the heating argument. If Gaara is not in the air, which he doesn't unless its a ground attack he sees coming, it wouldn't matter what range his Sand control is, as the range that Kabuto took over will work much faster then his ability to support attempt. Your premise is not clear, how exactly will having better range in sand help in this my premise situation?
2.Debunked this Part1 series counter to Part2 claim. Aren't listening to my premise on how I can put them in range. Already address physical attacks against Kabuto's use of Doton. Jinton is the only thing different stated. Jinton takes charge time, charge time isn't effective here inside the Dome[
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]. The fact remain that Sage Mode boost by manga definition mean harder Earth augmented with chakra, faster recovery, and better chakra absorption. Now by facing a Kages with this jutsu, they will be in the same situation Team Shikimaru was in.Destroying it isn't an option due to the fact that it will simply repair itself once the target does some damage to it and the enemy's Jutsu will be absorbed, even the ground[
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]. The dome is capable of absorbing the enemy's Chakra rather quickly given base Jirobo comment[
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]. So there is only one option for the Kages that neji already explained[
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]. The reason why Choji and Kiba continuous was able to keep fighting on was because the had pills to replenish themselves and start again [
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]. The Kages have no idea how to find the weak point. Even by coincidence, like Ay speed blitzing around to damage, and find its, Kabuto can simply reanimate the spot to attack them from inside[
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]. And like I said in my premise he can expand the Dome, shink it, attack inside, all of this while their attacks and chakra get absorbed. Which is why I made my Intro premise to make this possible. Once they focus too much on these spikes, Kabuto uses Snake summoning's mass to swap them down, considering he can warp anywhere from the bones, making it the perfect backstab. How is Ay tanking it? Is it going to pushing him more upward without no damage or penetration? Why do you think Tsuade isn't getting harmed? She easily gets crucified, with no one to help (or it would be suicide).
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Since you were to first to bring out Manda II, I decided to clean up this match up by using him. Once this monster is summoned, the large monster will be able to block the view of Kabuto's next motive. Just like in your premise of how much focus Manda II will give the Gokage, Kabuto takes advantage of this, and create 2 Shadow clones by using Orochimaru via Twin Demon[
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One can hide inside Manda II, by either going in his noes, or use Sakon KKG to enter inside. This clone will continue to play Sound Genjutsu while Gokage struggle to face this monster.
The other will use Kidomaru's ability and mold a golden arrow, using its range to catch Onoki, which Onoki will not be able to avoid, since 1 Kabuto's perceptual ability to track down his movements and 2) the arrow can be guided.
The Orignal will hide underground, waiting for the perfect moment to strike. He can also set up snakes to jam with Gaara's Sand Sensing by doing this [
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].Once Onoki goes down the other Kages arent a threat at all.
1. Eventually, Tsunade gets decapitated Senpou Chakra Scalpel
2. Eventually, so does Mei Senpou Chakra Scalpel
3. Raikage will be a bit tricky but eventually, just like my Sakon 360 block premise, he uses Jirobo to absorb his Raiton armor[
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] and kill him with internal bleeding or decapitated w/ Senpou Chakra Scalpel. Or a simple Sakon combo swing w/ Senpou Chakra Scalpel[
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], adding 3 times its orignal damage4. Gaara loses with Senpou Bones, as if he was almost defeated with canonically. Sound base attacks, or using Tayuya ethereal worms, that can bypass anything physical.
I summarized these people there is nothing they can do to beat Kabuto without Onoki's Jinton.
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Could you please Quote the statements so that i know what exactly you are referring to?
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Furthermore gaaras sand would be much higher in quantity and with mei using her KKG attacks alongside the risk of Kabuto getting jintond during the time hes stationary makes this technique a waste for kabuto
Manda 2 is nothing like PS at all,, despite its size its no way near in DC to PS,
Moreover, Susanoo output is also much much lower than the force it can withstand meaning that PS durability is quite more than its offense, thereby equating its durability to being far far more than Manda 2.
Not only that but Madara had made an entire forest through his mokutons, which not only made it difficult for Gaara to use his sand techniques but he couldn’t access most of the surrounding sand as well,,
Here however kabuto cannot cover the entire location neither can he nullify gaaras use of sand, meaning that the sand method is still very effective
--Again not happening, the snake is not getting to onoki especially when the gokage know that his jutsu can oneshot it, and since he is assisted by gaaras sand which would not only be lightened but also aids their mobility and would be fast enough to cover kilometres,
--No, tsunade buffs onoki to a much much higher extent and makes him literally spam jinotn at manda, whilst gaaras sand can immobilise it for more than enough time to allow onoki to do so,
Onoki can also use his jinnton to atomise half of mandas body which would leave it unable to operate properly, it really doesn’t take a large amount of jinton for manda to be succumbed
--Whilst onoki,, gaara and tsunade are focusing on manda, mei and A are still avalaible to attack kabuto, as the former can use her large scale lava style KKG attacks, or can use high acidic level boil release to attack kabuto with, as the latter is clearly not immune to high levels of acid, and would struggle with it. Mei can also merge a lightning/water dragon combo with A to attack kabuto effectively, so NO kabuto is NOT left hanging
And even then the gokage can get rid of it within minutes through methods that I have listed, they are far too versatile and have a vast arsenal to get rid of the snake
--Gaara giving the kage the mobility in his sand means that he can easily make them evade the 5-10m range of the jutsu.
--Katsuyu on the kage can help any of the kages to break out of the justu through partner method as well (if one of the kages magically get caught in it)
--Gaara can also use his sand to pull out any of the kages who magically get caught within the range of the jutsu
Furthermore the jutsu is not doing kabuto any good at all when the gokage are coordinating in every single move, he is not getting any opening at all, and with each of the kage being unique fighters, Mugen Onsa is left rather useless.
--His twin is still not protecting him from jinton, which would atomise kabuto and the twin,
--His twin is still not reacting properly to V2 lightened A who would be way too fast for Kabuto, and yes his physical blows will damage kabuto if he is in a physical form.
having a twin is still not benefitting kabuto at all since he is still outnumbered and outclassed here
Meis yoton turned the entire building into paste, and her boil release was able to pass through susanoo, the former location which is built with more heat resistant matter than the cave and the latter (susanoo) which is more durable than Kabuto.
White Rages effect is really no more than 1 minute, not only that but u urself stated that the effect wont be drastic, due to the location, and the time frame AND the rannge are not enough to take out 5 kages,
the kages can evade White rage with ease, and the further they are from the sound orb,, the weaker the effect of the jutsu
i think its ur premise and reasoning which is unclear
this is all based on the reasoning IF the gokage get affected by the jutsu,
but seeing that the battle is mostly mid/long range, it is not happening
added to the fact that the gokagee would know the weaknes of the jutsu, and would figure it out much quicker than part 1 genin did, thereby A/Tsunade can easily destroy it,
--A tanked a chidori stream from MS sasuke right at the vital spot with NO damage whatsover, the fact that u think these blades would even scratch his RNY is laughable,,
--Tsunade is not being damaged by these at all when she was dealing with V3 susanoos from Madara.. she also tanked several blows from the cloned susanoo alll of the blows which are far far far superior to bracken dance
--Gaaras sand will momentarily immobilise it, as tsunade buffs onoki up to allow him to fire the jinton which would atomise manda, kabuto and his twin here,
--Katsuyu can also assist in sending her acid melt towards kabuto if kages like gaara/onoki/tsunade are fighting manda, whilst mei and A can also use their combos on Kabuto,,
The snake is acidified by meis futton,
Kabuto hidinng in manda iss a horrible horrible decision seeing how the snake wwould get atomised within minutes and if kabuto is with it then its GG
Doton Golem tanks it with ease,
A evades it with ease, and his durability is more than enough for this,,
Tsunade tanks it with ease,
gaara assisting flight to the gokage makes them counter the attack rather easily
this attack along with many otherrs is moot
2. She is also assisted by gaara, and his defense can tank the chakra scalpel seeing how it tanked YM and V3 susanoo slashes,,
3. A is not getting caught at all, here, let alone land a hit especiallly when he is lighteneed and had V2 speed which evaded amaterasu from point blank with ease, he is lightened and much faster here
4. Bracken dance barely managed to bypass part 1 gaaras defense, this gaaras defense tanked V3 susanoo slashes and YM from Madaras susanoo, something which is far far far stronger than Kimimaros bones
Tayuya genjutsu is not reaching gaara, i hav already explained
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How is it useless????,, if anything it is infact kabutos Muki Tensei that is useless mainly due to the fact that Gaara can use his sand to a much much higher extent, whilst staying more mobile and has the backup of other kage who can attack kabuto during the time he is adding natural energy to objects, (which infact is quite alot of time)
Furthermore gaaras sand would be much higher in quantity and with mei using her KKG attacks alongside the risk of Kabuto getting jintond during the time hes stationary makes this technique a waste for kabuto
--No ur wrong, with the location being surrounded by sand, Gaara can use these techniques to a much higher extent, and seeing how he was able to halt 2 TS is why he can do so.
Manda 2 is nothing like PS at all,, despite its size its no way near in DC to PS,
Moreover, Susanoo output is also much much lower than the force it can withstand meaning that PS durability is quite more than its offense, thereby equating its durability to being far far more than Manda 2.
Not only that but Madara had made an entire forest through his mokutons, which not only made it difficult for Gaara to use his sand techniques but he couldn’t access most of the surrounding sand as well,,
Here however kabuto cannot cover the entire location neither can he nullify gaaras use of sand, meaning that the sand method is still very effective
--Again not happening, the snake is not getting to onoki especially when the gokage know that his jutsu can oneshot it, and since he is assisted by gaaras sand which would not only be lightened but also aids their mobility and would be fast enough to cover kilometres,
--No, tsunade buffs onoki to a much much higher extent and makes him literally spam jinotn at manda, whilst gaaras sand can immobilise it for more than enough time to allow onoki to do so,
Onoki can also use his jinnton to atomise half of mandas body which would leave it unable to operate properly, it really doesn’t take a large amount of jinton for manda to be succumbed
--Whilst onoki,, gaara and tsunade are focusing on manda, mei and A are still avalaible to attack kabuto, as the former can use her large scale lava style KKG attacks, or can use high acidic level boil release to attack kabuto with, as the latter is clearly not immune to high levels of acid, and would struggle with it. Mei can also merge a lightning/water dragon combo with A to attack kabuto effectively, so NO kabuto is NOT left hanging
And even then the gokage can get rid of it within minutes through methods that I have listed, they are far too versatile and have a vast arsenal to get rid of the snake
What exactly is his own thing that is enough to take 5 kage level shinobi out??
You really didn’t read my post did you, I have provided u several counters to mugen onsa. The fact that the jutsu has a very limited range and time frame is exactly why the jutsu is not doing any good. Gaaras sand, A’s speed are fast enough to cover the limit to evade the jutsu.
--Gaara giving the kage the mobility in his sand means that he can easily make them evade the 5-10m range of the jutsu.
--Katsuyu on the kage can help any of the kages to break out of the justu through partner method as well (if one of the kages magically get caught in it)
--Gaara can also use his sand to pull out any of the kages who magically get caught within the range of the jutsu
Furthermore the jutsu is not doing kabuto any good at all when the gokage are coordinating in every single move, he is not getting any opening at all, and with each of the kage being unique fighters, Mugen Onsa is left rather useless.
Katsuyu is not getting eaten at all especially when the summon can literally split herself and reform with ease, and would be split in pieces with parts being on top of all the gokage thereby healing them throughout the battle. The fact that u think Katsuyu is getting eaten is laughable, 5% katsuyu is the size of Manda 1, which isn’t too far off from Manda 2, and even if she gets swallowed, she would spill her acid throughout manda, and therefore allow onoki to finish it off, either way, it jus backfires Kabuto and Manda, Not only that but katsuyu can use her acid,at Kabuto which he is still vulnerable to,
You still havent provided any reasoning as to how kabuto will easily kill Onoki!!added to the fact that gokage are fighting together, and would have katsuyu healing thhem throughout the fight,,, its not happening
No he doesn’t get any other additional jutsu after activating this ability. Havin a clone may help kabuto but it still works as the same principle as KB, meaning that the chakra would be evenly divided and would be only half as strong as the whole entity.
Kabuto is not getting close to the gokage at all, and his clone is not doing him any good seeing how he barely used this ability whilst fighting itachi and sasuke, despite the fact that he was fighting 2 users, now he is fighting 5 different users,, not only that but this technique uses huge amounts of chakra
--His twin is still not protecting him from jinton, which would atomise kabuto and the twin,
--His twin is still not reacting properly to V2 lightened A who would be way too fast for Kabuto, and yes his physical blows will damage kabuto if he is in a physical form.
having a twin is still not benefitting kabuto at all since he is still outnumbered and outclassed here
No, he cant take the blows by jus liquefying his insides. The fact is that kabutos outside body would still take the damage from A/Tsunades physical blows, the only difference is that his cellular level aren’t affected. They are NOT punching a bag of Water since Kabuto is still in his physical form outside, moreover A/Tsunades taijutsu blows are not meant to hurt the opponent on a cellular level which further emphasises the fact that Kabuto is still vulnerable to their physical hits and would get attacked by lightened A since he is much slower than him, and needs his physical form to attack the gokages and avoid jinton. (which he is vulnerable to if he liquefies completely, and tries to run away).
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What exactly are u implying here,,,
Meis yoton turned the entire building into paste, and her boil release was able to pass through susanoo, the former location which is built with more heat resistant matter than the cave and the latter (susanoo) which is more durable than Kabuto.
No. Gaara can still use his sand techniques at a much higher extent as i have stated and with Kabuto focusing and staying stationary like you said, Kabuto would literally allow kages like Onoki to fire a jinton right at him, thus atomising him to a molecular level
I have already given u several counters to muki tensei,
White Rages effect is really no more than 1 minute, not only that but u urself stated that the effect wont be drastic, due to the location, and the time frame AND the rannge are not enough to take out 5 kages,
the kages can evade White rage with ease, and the further they are from the sound orb,, the weaker the effect of the jutsu
They can still counter ALL of kabutos moves here
Gaara can use his sand far more freely than kabuto can through muki tensei, the location makes it even easier for him on top of the fact that onoki can lighten his sand,
i think its ur premise and reasoning which is unclear
No, the fact is that this Doton jutsu is extremely vulnerable to physical attacks, and regardless of the SM boost it is not busting A/Tsunades attacks at all,,, (which are FAR FAR superior to Part 1 chojis)
this is all based on the reasoning IF the gokage get affected by the jutsu,
but seeing that the battle is mostly mid/long range, it is not happening
You do know that Tsunade can also charge onoki, and allow him to simply fire a jinton to eradicate the barrier right?
added to the fact that the gokagee would know the weaknes of the jutsu, and would figure it out much quicker than part 1 genin did, thereby A/Tsunade can easily destroy it,
The fact that gaaras sand is lightened and with the gokage getting flight and added mobility makes it easy for them to evade the spikes,,
--A tanked a chidori stream from MS sasuke right at the vital spot with NO damage whatsover, the fact that u think these blades would even scratch his RNY is laughable,,
--Tsunade is not being damaged by these at all when she was dealing with V3 susanoos from Madara.. she also tanked several blows from the cloned susanoo alll of the blows which are far far far superior to bracken dance
I have already given u several counteers above as to how the gokage will counter and defeat this summon,,
--Gaaras sand will momentarily immobilise it, as tsunade buffs onoki up to allow him to fire the jinton which would atomise manda, kabuto and his twin here,
--Katsuyu can also assist in sending her acid melt towards kabuto if kages like gaara/onoki/tsunade are fighting manda, whilst mei and A can also use their combos on Kabuto,,
The snake is acidified by meis futton,
White rage would immobilise manda more than it would to the gokage seeing that kabuto is right near manda here,
Kabuto hidinng in manda iss a horrible horrible decision seeing how the snake wwould get atomised within minutes and if kabuto is with it then its GG
Gaaras defense laughs at the arrow,
Doton Golem tanks it with ease,
A evades it with ease, and his durability is more than enough for this,,
Tsunade tanks it with ease,
gaara assisting flight to the gokage makes them counter the attack rather easily
this attack along with many otherrs is moot
There is no perfect moment to strike seeing how once the snake is down, kabuto is literally a sitting duck to get fiireed by jinton, after he gets attacked by the combined combos of the gokage which convinced madara to use his full power
Yeah, he doesnt go down, especially when he as well as other kage are getting healed by tsunade & katsuyu
1. Tsunade is assiited with Gaaras sand and has flight, and if she lands a good blows on kabuto, she can send him flying off regardless of his liquifying, since he has to remain physical to attack her,,
2. She is also assisted by gaara, and his defense can tank the chakra scalpel seeing how it tanked YM and V3 susanoo slashes,,
3. A is not getting caught at all, here, let alone land a hit especiallly when he is lighteneed and had V2 speed which evaded amaterasu from point blank with ease, he is lightened and much faster here
4. Bracken dance barely managed to bypass part 1 gaaras defense, this gaaras defense tanked V3 susanoo slashes and YM from Madaras susanoo, something which is far far far stronger than Kimimaros bones
Tayuya genjutsu is not reaching gaara, i hav already explained
They are fighting together, and with that being said they defeat Kabuto here
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Indeed, this makes him the underdog, which means you have to work extra hard to utilise all of your characters (or you will probably lose), while also hard for EjBlack to win given the amount of people he has to counter and attack. Anyways, good luck.
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It's tech him with jugo suigetsu and Karin techs with a mini perfect form oro and sound 5 bodies within him if anything he outnumbers gokage..
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dont ask me man, but if u dont wna judge, then we would need another judge,
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I feel the need to address this since, no offense, you lacking knowledge of Kabuto's capability here. I am hearing stuff like wasting chakra, Mei and Tsunade landing hits, and lightening Sand is effective defensively.
1. In Sage Mode, you are using new chakra instead of your own[
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3. Last you are simply ignoring Sage boost of ninjutsu. Manga already stats your premise wrong [
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] w/ the ABC logic you are using. You cannot use ABC logic as: If Team Shikamaru counter> Sound 5 therefore Gokage counters automatically mean > Sound 5. This logic is flaw since Kabuto is NOT Sound 5 nor is he applying the same strength and power boost of the orignal techniques. Even then, Team Shikimaru each had jutsu and bloodline that fit perfectly in their match up, and even they barley succeed. Already address Gaara sand. I am fully aware that Gaara can cover more range. That doesn't change the fact that the range Kabuto CAN cover will still overpower the location he CAN cover. Gaara will NOT be able to control the land that Kabuto CAN cover simply because Kabuto has superioer chakra control over it, Senjtusu, and the technique giving its own life force. That beats chakra manipulation alone. Now if Gaara wants to add his larger range into Kabuto's territory, will only just touch Kabuto chakra territory. I also already address Kabuto's mobility here w/ more detail. He does not have be stationary to use Muki Tensei, he can animate the land as a carmobile, or uses his twin demon of himself move and do it instead, just like how he got out of Amaertasu range and use Kimmiaro Twin Demon as an[
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].Address above concerning Sand Range, its irrelevant. Never stated Manda=PS. I said they are the same size thats all. You shot yourself in the foot stating Mokuton, made it difficult for Gaara to use sand techs when Manda II weights more and covers more range then what Madara presented.
Shot yourself in the foot, stating lightening Sand is effective counter to retrain and block Manda II (you didnt state this here but further below). The snakes already has feats to barrage through heaver territory[
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]. That alone rips through Sand and definitely Lighten Sand. Manda strike moves faster then Onoki lightening Sand and traveling off away from battlefield via BFR, which isn't a debate should be form to counter attacks.Once again exaggerating on Mei's jutsu speed, Kabuto's clone easily dodges her lava style, while the orignal, in my premise, kills her from underground[
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] that he can set up after summoning Manda in my premise. Once caught he can begin the process of tangling up with webs. Raikage can attempt to cut it but by feats Sasuke said this jutsu cannot be cut normally. Sasuke being a Raiton user confirmed twice that Raiton class is not enough to destroy these webs, powered with Sage. Once he use Amaterasu and second with Enton. By feats this elastic ability is superior rubber release[
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](even Ay doesn't have his penetrating power like Sasuke or his Father), and the fact that this jutsu support more then 2 elephants in its base for, gives Ay a struggle to rip away from.You didn't even prove that it has a limited range lmao. In fact Kishimoto explain in his databook that it covers all ranges like Frog Chant:
"One of the genjutsu that rely on the sound of the flute. Whoever hears it will be assailed by the vivid sensation that their limbs have been fastened with sturdy ropes, thus becoming unable to move about freely. At the same time, they are fed morbid hallucinations, which makes it also possible to run them down mentally. Given that the means of transmission is sound-based, it has a large range of effectiveness, on top of which it can be applied even without knowledge of the enemy's position, which makes for an exceedingly convenient jutsu.". "Supplementary; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: B".
Even then Sage more gives it a serious power up, so stop making up ranges. Your counter is really terrible, especially when everyone is getting engulfed in it.
Lmao no, whats laughable is your premise. First stating Katsyu isn't getting eaten by someone superior then its V1, which I post a scan that canonically got close from doing it and saved by Bunta. Then stating Katsyu size like its relevant, when Manda II face alone is bigger then 5%. Then stating Manda I isn't too far off from Manda 2, when Manga showed it being compare to a Turtle Island, that easily carries more then 1 Buijuu, which can calculate carrying all 9 if I may add. Once snakes has anything caught in their stomach there is no internal damage attempt, Otherwise Manda I would have never attempt to eat Kaysayu, or Snake Kabuto capturing Yamato, or Sage Kabuto attempting to eat EMS Sasuke. Then stating Katsuya acid being a factor to hit Kabuto.. Come on son lol.
Lol what? Thats how the jutsu works, you manipulate you cells to create a Twin that is sharing your body. It support you by giving you a second hand. By sharing the same body it will be using your chakra to perform jutsu. This is common sense lel. It works much better then clones as you aren't dividing your chakra, you are sharing the same exact portion, since both are using the same body.
Lol what using Kabuto fighting scene in the manga doesn't support your claims. Kishimoto writes the stroy the way he wants to attain it. If Kishimoto wants to write out Kabuto showing off and being cockey fthe whole fighting, while demonstrating all his moves 1 time, and giving him lack of panels, thats all up to him. Dont bring this BS arguments in a scenario where we are pitting our characters on how to fight them with what they have presented in the manga. That being said, your premise is irrelevant here, where to what I presented Twin Demon in my arguments.
What am I reading? Your not making any sense why does it matter if his outside skin is being punch? How do you not understand the premise I presented. It is not hard to understand the this premise shows that by doing this it will absorb and reduce the impact damage it was originally was suppose to take. I am not repeating myself, Kabuto doesn't take any significant or relevant damage, he will recover right after, and much faster then Muu[
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I am implying the Muki Tensei doesnt just lose to heat just because Enton countered it. Your interpretation on Yoton is flaw. You stated it turned the entire building into paste, where no where was this shown. In your scan it was only cover the exit door, and everything around it was fine lol... Boil Release has no feats to stay in its location we are fighting them so thats also irrelevant.
Putting words in my mouth lol?
Lel, I dont even need 1 minute in my premise, 5 secs is good enough to blind and lose ears to Kabuto next motive.
Apparently you have proof that they are aware of this jutsu, and can run away from its range, good premise.
How you say no without backing it up. I literally gave you all the scans to break it down to you that was your are sprouting is pure non sense. You stated its vulnerable to physical attacks, I disproved it. You are using Choiji again, which the dome is Far Far superior then it was presented in the manga. And the fact the Choji Couldn't even do it without what I already explained, which you made it seem like he did with ease, when in fact it was by condition. Then I added Muki Tensei to support the Dome offensively and keeping them from landing on its weak spot.
Already debunked this, she can't charge someone in a place where chakra is being taking away, especially when the jutsu requires to charge to begin with. Then you stating they will know the weaknes of the the jutsu with no evidence.
Once again, I repeating myself. I never use this premise without the work of blinding them first with White Rage. Believe what you want with Ay but to starting pulling BS about Tsunade, a Kunai is able to stab her flesh. Dealing with V3 doesn't mean ****. If she gets staked she needs she will need break the bones, but she will be hopeless has her legs and arms will be impaled for her to move.
That is because you rare assuming lighten Sand or Sand in general will be strong enough to stop Manda. Assuming Onoki flies up and charge Jinton because Sound Genjutsu takes effected (its not Kabuto's twin its a shadow clone). And assuming Katsuyu acid is effective against Kabuto and a Giant Snake that dwarfs her, and easy can swipe by tail whip or eaten with one bite. And assuming futton will be effective again liquid to dilude its effect, or even effect with a large area they are battling.
Except no where in my premise did I state Manda II being there during White Rage. Man read my premise carefully. Just like you failed to read a Shadow Clone is doing this.
No all of this is irrelevant except for Onoki, as my premise shows him being the only target. But yes, your premise is laughable using Golem as the damage output was meant to PENETRATE[
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The rest of your claims is simply ignoring that I am summarizing the ending outcome. I am fully aware the last 4 Kages can keep fighting the good fight, in the end they have nothing to do to win, so I don't need to repeat what I already address.
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lmao at the misunderstanding of tayuya's genjutsu.
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1. Mei is landing hits through her large scale KKG attacks, as i have stated, here are some scans, which prove that speed and reflexes of DSM Kabuto are not enough to evade her attacks, due to their large AOE
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not only that but madaras ribcage susanoo wasnt enough against her yoton, as u can see from the scan which was why he was forced to use V3, and immediately used YM on the Gokage, as seen below:
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2. You say how is gaaras sand being lightened any benefit, well here u can see how quickly gaara managed to set his defense despite him being healed and depleted most of the time,
as the defense was set up before YM even landed and the attack didnt even put a dent on his defense,
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--You claim that how are Meis KKG landing and how are Gaaras defenses any good, yet the funny thing is that Kabuto doesnt have the durability even close to V3 susanoo, neither does he have the offense or DC comparable to V3, which the gokage fought against quite impressively
Having large chakra reserves has nothing to do with learning SM at all, what is this,
Kabuto doesnt have large chakra reserves, he has never been mentioned or accredited highly in terms of chakra,
the only reason someone like Orochimaru couldnt master DSM was because of his condition as stated here:
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--If you are basing ur entire argument on assuming that SM makes kabuto invincible then u are just denying feats and making inaccurate estimations.
1. IF you believe that SM naruto and Kabutos speed are comparable then u have kicked ur self hard,
SM Naruto failed to react to Blind Madaras speed and got outright blitzed,,
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now A is lightened by Onoki completely and seeeing how he blitzed one of the best sensors (Muu) in the manga (AT BASE), now add the V2 Boost from A, as well as the fact that A is lightened by Onoki, means that Kabuto is not reacting to him at all whatsover,
2. have you seriously seen how large are the ranges covered by Meis KKG attacks, Gaaras sand, and Onokis Jinton, yu are simply ignoring them and stating that their ranges are not getting to kabuto,,yet giving no counters how kabuto magically ''teleports'' or ''evades'' their jutsu
other kages dont need the quick foot speed to attack kabuto, their jutsus have enormous range,
--herre is gaaras sand range, which u believe isnt enoough
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kabuto is not covering the entire country level diistance within miinutes, meanning that gaaras sand based attacks are very effective against him,
--Meis KKG have already been shown, and her large scale suitons, aided by A's lightning style are also very effective
--here is onokis jinton, in terms of range,
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not too mention this jinton is not boosted by tsunade at all, and was made by onoki who was depleted, and exhausted completely. , now apply kabuto here insstead of madara, and this will result in kabuto getting atomised entirely, as he has no counters to this at all,
--No. you are severely overrating SM boost, by stating that kabuto would be near invincible by the attacks, when his Sound 5 abilities have not shown any major boost compared to the sound 5 users themselves
--after llooking at the bold, one can interpret that u think SOund 5 > Gokage which is pure horse shit,,
--the A>B>C logic was used because the gap between sound 5 abilities and gokages is enormous, to an extent that apart from mugen onsa, (which is countered), all of sound 5 abilities are useless, since the battle would be most likely a mid/long range fight
Kabuto is never managing to use muki tensei to an extent as large as tengai shinsei, that is pure ridiculous,
his Muki Tensei used against the brothers was no more than 10m in terms of range, as you can see from this scan
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--Claiming that Kabutos SM enhanced sand (which most likely cant have a range of the meteor technique) can overpower Gaaras sand, because of his SM,, is false, as you are overrating the SM to a ridiculous extent
furthermore u are saying that gaara wont be able to control the land, well he doesnt need to since he can fly,
moreover Mei can use her yoton to divert Kabutos control completely, as the heat from her jusu would not only overpower kabutos jutsu, but will also damage him,
--A's RNY is not getting scratched even a bit seeinng how easily he tanked the chidori blade, and neither is tsunade getting affected seeing how she got stabbed by susanoo blades throughout the battle with madara and was still fighting
--No, Kabuto diidnt use twin demon to get out of amaterasu range, he simply stopped, from entering the circled location, moreover kimimaros jutsu is much much slower than gaars sand which can easily tank these ferns ,, seeinng how it tanked V3/V4 susanoo slashes, something thats leagues above whhat kimimaros offense is, and can make the gokage fly above it eeasily,,
--You assume that the gokage will just stand there together enclosed within 5m of each other and allow kabuto to finish them off,, yet thats not how it works my friend, especially once they find out that most of kabutos arsenal is close/mid range, (which wont take long),,
No it doesnt cover even half the range of what madara had used,
u can see that scans here, on how the entire landscape was changed after one flower tree world,
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Not only that but PS is relatively the size of the meteor, which u can see isnt even cllose to the range of madaras mokuton,
therefore Manda is getting jintoned here and there is nothing it can do to prevent itself
Your point is already mooot here,
since
--The TBBs were shot at the barrier not the turtle, not only that but the TBBs were shot at a relatively high altitude meaning that it wasnt in contact with any part of the turtle,
--The turtle is not a fighter, neither is it a summon, so this whole comparison is useless,,,
--Gaaras sand defense is not affected by onokis weighted jutsu, the only difference it makes is that it allows gaaras sand speed to be enhanced and allows him to use it more efficiently
Unlike Madara, kabuto cant cover the entire locaiton meaning that gaara can still use his sand techniques to a full extent and the gokage would know to get rid of the summon ASAP,, as gaaras sand and meis KKG attacks allow to stall it long enough while Tsunade buffs onoki up, to either jinton manda and kkabuto together,
or a quickfire jinton at mandas face to atomise it and finish it off,,
like i said onokis jinton capaciity was said to be able to destroy the entire terrain, as shown here
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not only that but tsunade alone managed to overpower it,
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manda is not evading the range of jinton which atomised the entire flower tree world forest, and if kabuto is on top of manda then its just a GG,,
I have shown u that kabuto is not dodging attacks of such vast AOE, Meis lava jutsus had the to cover half of jukai kotan, as shown from the scans above,, the same jukai kotan which covered half of the 4th company location,,
you claiming that kabuto dodges it, is simply funny and idiotic,
In my premise mei is also aided with gaaras sannd, allong with some other kages as welll,, since its very IC for the gokages to do so,
Kabuto lacks flight, and him simply killing her from underground is not happening especially when the entire llocation is connected with gaaras sand and would be able to sense him,
as well as Mei,, acidifying her self to prevent kabuto to use his physical attacks
What on earth is this
A's durability allowed him to tank a chidori stream with no damage at all,,
yet u think that these strings would damage him,, smh
you are also giving sasukes statements yet there are no scans at all, neither are these webs surviving the heat of yoton or futton by mei
A has a penetrating/piercing ability higher than sasuke seeing nearly destroyed ribcage susanoo something that is far more durable than the webs
A has no trouble getting rid of them at all,, all he needs is one lateral chop and hes free, thats all if ur premise actually happens (which it most likley wont)
Mugen Onsa is not an efficient here, the sound frequencies are too low, and the sound would die out quite easily due to the location [as stated by you urself], on top of that, the kages have the numbers and can disrupt the chakra flow quiet easily, on top of that they have katsuyu which would be on their shoulders which can easily break the jutsu,,,
seeing how itachi/sasuke were still able to communicate just fine after getting affected by it,
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as katsuyu would be on the gokage throughout the battle most likely
and this is all based on ur hillarious assumption that the gokage would do nothing but stand there and let him use the flute
1. Katsuyu is not getting eaten since it can split it self and reform immediately (which is what happened in the manga), size doesnt matter seeing how tsunade didnt get eaten but instead managed to land a sword right through manda,
2. Where the hell are u getting the snakkes internal damage crap from, naruto used TKB to make the snake barf him out, with that being said,, katsuyus acid would affect manda quite well,, even though thats not even needed seeing how one if not then 2 jintons are more than enough to one-shot it,
Its not laughable at alll, the only thing thats laughable is that u believe a summoning can take down the gokage, and that katsuyu is defeated through eating. Come on son.
@Bold - With that being said, the bodies still share the chakra,, which is still the same principle as KB,,
You keep on saying my premise is irrelevant, yet u havent stated out the flaws, in my reasoning,
You now basicallly shifted from Physical attackks being inneffective to kabuto taking the damage and then healing from them afterwards, yet u still claim my reasonings as nonsense,
Kabuto is still taking the hits from lightened V2 A,, and once that happens he is getting overwhelmed by A, since he ccant react to him, therefore allowing onoki to fire off a jinton thus ending the match
it doesnt have to be anyway near the enton level, idk why u are setting that as a standard,
Heat diverts the control from the user, Yoton has more than enough heat capacity to do that,
Any of the affected area in the building was melted completely by Yoton,
as u can see from the middle right scan
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they dont need to be aware of his jutsu,, the fact is that gaara and onokii are long range fighters to begin with,, and mei is a mid range fighter, the only close combat fiighters are A & Tsunade,
however even if a & tsunade get caught in white rage, Gaara can use his sand to pull themm away from kabuto,,
or onoki can still use his jinton right at kabuto if hes far enough from white rage ,,
You havent proven anything at all,, infact to me it seems that not only is the doton based jutsu inferior to the lightning affinity of A, but its still vulnerable to Tsunade/As physical blows,, as well jinton,
You overrate SM boost to a ridiculous extent, despite the SM, Tsunade and Ay's blows are on a much higher level, and regardlless of the boost, they will destroy the barrier with no efforts,
Onoki can also atomise the barrier with jinton,
How is Muki Tensei aiding kabuto in the barrier???
How does dealling with V3 dooesnt mean shit?????????
V3 is much highher in DC than what kabuto can offer,,
besides i allready stated that gaaras sand and defense enables the whole gokage to counter the bracken dance
The golem has more than enough durability to tank the arrows,
if not then gaaras defense has the speed and durability to prevent the gokages from this, as none of the kages would be harmed from this attack
seeiing how gaaras sand reacted to enton and had the durability to tank susanoo slashes
--manda is slower than both of them, which is quite funnny, as all that really needs to be done is for onoki to fire a jinton righht at manda , andd like i said,, if kabuto is within the jintons AOE then its a GG
--any other snakes are not even stannding a chance, they are either getting suffocated by gaara, jintond by onoki,, burnt through by mei,,by yoton or futton, or bisected by A,
The kages can stall kabuto long enough whilst staying on flight, through gaaras sand, and being safe from kabutos attacks whilst onoki proceeds to fire a large scale jinton, right at kabuto thus giving the gokage the win
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