[Spoilers] Hamura descendant

[HouKage]

Here you go....

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I REPEAT: As for the Zetsu . . . did you not read 'unreliable narrator' . . .as in the creature that has been lying for over 100+ year

 

[Zavage10]

I completely agree uzamaki descended from asuhra.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Hamura's descendants are just the hyuga.
Uzumaki are a branch of the senju.

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[UltimateDeadpool]

Probably Jiraiya, check out that hair.

 

[kuroiryu]

Because maybe they were born after hagoromo's children, Hamura's offspring would be 1st cousins of Ashura and Indra meaning they are still connected by blood... THATS why Hamura is/ can still very well be the Ancestor of Uzumaki

did you not read that second manga panel?it says negato is of senju linegae,negato is an uzimaki.

 

[InvaderRaz]

I will be the dumbest person on here then, your giving me stress so I think that's enough talking to you.

all i know is that both madara and naruto mother said that the uzumaki's are from the senju lineage, i only follow what they said. they didn't say the uchiha's or byakugan lineage, they said the senju.

uzumaki's don't only have senju blood in them, they have something else, that's why They are called uzumaki's and not senju. and you don't understand that

They are called Uzumaki because they are distant cousins to the Senju. If they were of Senju lineage as zetsu suggested then Hashi or even Tsunade would have mentioned this at some point.

Senju share a blood tie to any clan branched from Hamura, all four of them do. I'm going by what everyone besides zetsu said about them being distant relatives and not relying on a character proven to have lied in every chapter before this one.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

did you not read that second manga panel?it says negato is of senju linegae,negato is an uzimaki.

IKR? Why is this being debated?

 

[Zakler2k9]

imo i think jiraiya and hyuga is hamura descendant ...

 

[Seventh Sama]

They are called Uzumaki because they are distant cousins to the Senju. If they were of Senju lineage as zetsu suggested then Hashi or even Tsunade would have mentioned this at some point.

Senju share a blood tie to any clan branched from Hamura, all four of them do. I'm going by what everyone besides zetsu said about them being distant relatives and not relying on a character proven to have lied in every chapter before this one.

OK, you do have a point, zetsu does lie alot :l

 

[Cael]

OK, you do have a point, zetsu does lie alot :l

It was white zetsu who said that they share senju lineage, and white zetsu has no reason to lie about that
black zetsu on the other hand is the one that's been lying for 1000 years

what InvaderRaz keep saying is that the uzumaki's are distant cousins of the senju
but that's not what was said
what was said by kushina is that the uzumaki are blood relatives to the senju

Here is the definition of Blood relatives also called Blood Relations

blood relation - one related by blood or origin; especially on sharing an ancestor with another

we know that ashura is the ancestor in this case, because it can't possible be hagoromo, because he only had two sons.

InvaderRaz is arguing that in the end they all are related. that is true, but each clan has something different that seperates them and is unique to only them

senju has the body, and uchiha's has the eye
and with this we use it to clarify which ancestor each clan was made from. ashura with the body and uchiha with the eye.

it is true that hagoromo have both of this power but he is not the one that created these clans, it was his sons. hagoromo died right after creating the bijuu and leaving ashura as the successor to ninshuu,so how can he be called the ancestor to a clan of people that he had not create.

now InvaderRaz is saying because hamura and hagoromo are brothers, they should have same blood. they have the same blood but do they have the same powers that is use to identify an individual. like for example

the senju, the uchiha and the byakugan

I mean even hamura didn't have the rinnegan,he had the byakugan. the answer to that question is no.

now the uzumaki's, InvaderRaz Is thinking that they were born from Hamura, if that was true then the uzumaki's would have been very close to the byakugan family, they would be distant brothers,like the senju and the uchiha, but no where in the manga was this infer.

I have to go now, i have work but I will explain when I come back.

 

[InvaderRaz]

It was white zetsu who said that they share senju lineage, and white zetsu has no reason to lie about that
black zetsu on the other hand is the one that's been lying for 1000 years

what InvaderRaz keep saying is that the uzumaki's are distant cousins of the senju
but that's not what was said
what was said by kushina is that the uzumaki are blood relatives to the senju

Here is the definition of Blood relatives also called Blood Relations

blood relation - one related by blood or origin; especially on sharing an ancestor with another

we know that ashura is the ancestor in this case, because it can't possible be hagoromo, because he only had two sons.

I understand your argument but you seem to be missing the point where literally any clan spawned by Hamura would also be blood related to any spawned by Hago. They are brothers and therefore share the same blood...

 

[NextGenNinja]

It was white zetsu who said that they share senju lineage, and white zetsu has no reason to lie about that
black zetsu on the other hand is the one that's been lying for 1000 years

what InvaderRaz keep saying is that the uzumaki's are distant cousins of the senju
but that's not what was said
what was said by kushina is that the uzumaki are blood relatives to the senju

Here is the definition of Blood relatives also called Blood Relations

blood relation - one related by blood or origin; especially on sharing an ancestor with another

we know that ashura is the ancestor in this case, because it can't possible be hagoromo, because he only had two sons.

InvaderRaz is arguing that in the end they all are related. that is true, but each clan has something different that seperates them and is unique to only them

senju has the body, and uchiha's has the eye
and with this we use it to clarify which ancestor each clan was made from. ashura with the body and uchiha with the eye.

it is true that hagoromo have both of this power but he is not the one that created these clans, it was his sons. hagoromo died right after creating the bijuu and leaving ashura as the successor to ninshuu,so how can he be called the ancestor to a clan of people that he had not create.

Kushina said the uzumaki are distant blood relatives which would be considered a "cousin clan", uchiha and senju are close/immediate relatives meaning the uchiha are a "brother" clan to the senju. ..

 

[HouKage]

Here is the definition of Blood relatives also called Blood Relations

blood relation - one related by blood or origin; especially on sharing an ancestor with another

we know that ashura is the ancestor in this case, because it can't possible be hagoromo, because he only had two sons.

InvaderRaz is arguing that in the end they all are related. that is true, but each clan has something different that seperates them and is unique to only them

senju has the body, and uchiha's has the eye
and with this we use it to clarify which ancestor each clan was made from. ashura with the body and uchiha with the eye.

it is true that hagoromo have both of this power but he is not the one that created these clans, it was his sons. hagoromo died right after creating the bijuu and leaving ashura as the successor to ninshuu,so how can he be called the ancestor to a clan of people that he had not create.

now InvaderRaz is saying because hamura and hagoromo are brothers, they should have same blood. they have the same blood but do they have the same powers that is use to identify an individual. like for example

the senju, the uchiha and the byakugan

I mean even hamura didn't have the rinnegan,he had the byakugan. the answer to that question is no.

now the uzumaki's, InvaderRaz Is thinking that they were born from Hamura, if that was true then the uzumaki's would have been very close to the byakugan family, they would be distant brothers,like the senju and the uchiha, but no where in the manga was this infer.

I have to go now, i have work but I will explain when I come back.

So.... According to you
ashura, hagoromo's son, is an ancestor. ......but
Hagoromo cannot be because he only had two sons????

Might wanna rethink that.
If my father is my ancestor ..... Then his father is also my ancestor.

 

[Honord Sage]

It was actually white zetsu that said that, and the uzumaki clan was never said to be mention on the uchiha table, they existed during hashirama era. in my initial post you can see them with hashirama

Read chapter 681 again Black Zetsu admitted He edited and change the tablets.

 

[Honord Sage]

Hamura's descendants are just the hyuga.
Uzumaki are a branch of the senju.

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Stop with the lies Fact no Senju can be a Host to Kurama only an Uzumaki can,why do you think the First Hokage ask the Kage of the Uzumaki village for a Host? Mito Uzumaki, later Kushina Uzumaki and Minato sealing Kurama in Naruto. If the Uzumaki came from the Senju then the Senju could be Host to Kurama but they're not indicating they're not directly related.

 

[SuperChief]

OP you need to keep in mind we may have unreliable narrators. Plenty of things we were told to be true turned out to not be the case or similar but ultimately different. We know Hagoromo is the common ancestor of the Uchiha and Senju. We know the Uzumaki were said to be related to the Senju. Mind you this was all before we really found out jack about the Sage and his kin. Odds are the Uzumaki are just as closely genetically related to the Uchiha as they are to the Senju (not considering the inter-clan marriages). Hamura is obviously uh ancestor of the Hyūga. Either he or his own offspring founded the Hyūga clan.

It is the possible the Uzumaki share a common ancestor with the Hyūga in Hamura. Of course there's little concrete evidence of this - none, in fact. I believe the current popular theory is that Hamura's name as some connection to Hell, i.e. the Reaper, who has a connection to the Uzumaki clan.

It's all very vague and unclear. Only time will tell.

 

[Cael]

So.... According to you
ashura, hagoromo's son, is an ancestor. ......but
Hagoromo cannot be because he only had two sons????

Might wanna rethink that.
If my father is my ancestor ..... Then his father is also my ancestor.

Alright I am back, I think you may be confusing me on something, would you agree with me that ashura is the ancestor of the the senju clan ? that is a fact its been said over and over again, I am not focusing atm on hagoromo, I am only focusing on the sole creator of the senju clan. I mean if you want to go further back then you might as well go past kaguya and find out her family tree.

 

[Cael]

Stop with the lies Fact no Senju can be a Host to Kurama only an Uzumaki can,why do you think the First Hokage ask the Kage of the Uzumaki village for a Host? Mito Uzumaki, later Kushina Uzumaki and Minato sealing Kurama in Naruto. If the Uzumaki came from the Senju then the Senju could be Host to Kurama but they're not indicating they're not directly related.

1. you keep mentioning the uchiha tablet? why do you keep mentioning this? no where in the manga did it every mention uzumaki with the uchiha tablet, uzumaki are not some ancient clan that extinct long ago that was written on the tablet, they exist during the 1st hokage and 4th hokage era.

2. you keep saying that an uzumaki can only be the host of kuruma, and I kept mentioning to you that the 4th hokage who is not a uzumaki was the host of kuruma. uzumaki's are only chosen because there body is best suited for it, not because they are the only capable of being its jin.

 

[Cael]

OP you need to keep in mind we may have unreliable narrators. Plenty of things we were told to be true turned out to not be the case or similar but ultimately different. We know Hagoromo is the common ancestor of the Uchiha and Senju. We know the Uzumaki were said to be related to the Senju. Mind you this was all before we really found out jack about the Sage and his kin. Odds are the Uzumaki are just as closely genetically related to the Uchiha as they are to the Senju (not considering the inter-clan marriages). Hamura is obviously uh ancestor of the Hyūga. Either he or his own offspring founded the Hyūga clan.

It is the possible the Uzumaki share a common ancestor with the Hyūga in Hamura. Of course there's little concrete evidence of this - none, in fact. I believe the current popular theory is that Hamura's name as some connection to Hell, i.e. the Reaper, who has a connection to the Uzumaki clan.

It's all very vague and unclear. Only time will tell.

I guess your right, I mean I only look at manga facts,
the reason why I was so sure that they came from the senju lineage was because it was mention twice. I mean I thought after these past few chapters that everyone thought that the uzumaki's branch off the senju.

I mean wouldn't that be the logical sense on why naruto is the reincarnation? he is a uzumaki, and uzumaki who branch off the senju has the power of senju running trough there veins.

Now here is the problem that I came across. If ashura can reincarnate himself into hamura's descendant, then why not indra reincarnate into byakugan people, i mean the byakugan most likely came from hamura.

but this chapter,prove a known fact.
that each transmigrater only came from senju and uchiha

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so I can't possible see how ashura would choose an uzumaki who didn't really come from senju lineage.

I really hope you understand,I have a hard time explaining myself, and thanks for not yelling at me or calling me names.

 

[Byakugan12x]

I guess your right, I mean I only look at manga facts,
the reason why I was so sure that they came from the senju lineage was because it was mention twice. I mean I thought after these past few chapters that everyone thought that the uzumaki's branch off the senju.

I mean wouldn't that be the logical sense on why naruto is the reincarnation? he is a uzumaki, and uzumaki who branch off the senju has the power of senju running trough there veins.

Now here is the problem that I came across. If ashura can reincarnate himself into hamura's descendant, then why not indra reincarnate into byakugan people, i mean the byakugan most likely came from hamura.

but this chapter,prove a known fact.
that each transmigrater only came from senju and uchiha

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so I can't possible see how ashura would choose an uzumaki who didn't really come from senju lineage.

I really hope you understand,I have a hard time explaining myself, and thanks for not yelling at me or calling me names.

I completely agree with you.