Plot holes in this chapter

[Bogard]

1- Izanagi transforms reality into illusion only from the moment it's activated. It makes no sense that a already dead Madara(with a fatal injury) could turn into illusion when the Izanagi jutsu gets activated after his death

2- Even if the first sentence was possible, by ressurecting, he shouldn't have conserved the heart wound considering it brings back the user to the initial state before the jutsu activation

3- Rikudo sennin said he was always observing the outcome of the world and his ninshu through his chakra travelling from generations through generations, yet he never realised BZ was his brother or that his tablet was modified?

4- So Tobirama the creator of Kage Bunshin, experimenting on Madara never noticed it was a clone?

5- Madara's "creation" of BZ on WZ still makes no sense to me if he was already alive

 

[Zorø]

No he is not:|

 

[TrollingSage]

Disagreed with one. He programmed it to activate after he died, most likely before he even fought Hashirama, just like Itachi programmed his amaterasu and KA to activate when certain conditions were met.
2, 3, 4 an 5 are spot on.

 

[Bogard]

No he is not:|

Who is not? :|

 

[123fire]

Tobirama saw madara's REAL body then madara changed it with a clone u douche!

 

[NukaCola]

1- Izanagi transforms reality into illusion only from the moment it's activated. It makes no sense that a already dead Madara(with a fatal injury) could turn into illusion when the Izanagi jutsu gets activated after his death

2- Even if the first sentence was possible, by ressurecting, he shouldn't have conserved the heart wound considering it brings back the user to the initial state before the jutsu activation

3- Rikudo sennin said he was always observing the outcome of the world and his ninshu through his chakra travelling from generations through generations, yet he never realised BZ was his brother or that his tablet was modified?

4- So Tobirama the creator of Kage Bunshin, experimenting on Madara never noticed it was a clone?

5- Madara's "creation" of BZ on WZ still makes no sense to me if he was already alive

Kagebunshin can fool all the doujutsus
Also, Manga stream disagrees with the Tobirama part

 

[Bogard]

Disagreed with one. He programmed it to activate after he died, most likely before he even fought Hashirama, just like Itachi programmed his amaterasu and KA to activate when certain conditions were met.
2, 3, 4 an 5 are spot on.

You don't get it. When you programm a record on TV, it only starts recording from that point in time. I see the same thing with Izanagi. It would only start working from that point in time, except that normally from that point in time, Madara was already dead

 

[Tobi98]

Madara made Izanagi work after a certain time (like Itachi did when he gave Sasuke amateratsu) so basicly he activated it before he got the hound and only some time later did it make something

 

[Bogard]

Kagebunshin can fool all the doujutsus
Also, Manga stream disagrees with the Tobirama part

I didn't read the *********** version, but it is a shitty translation nowadays anyway, so i don't really value that much

 

[silmarill]

the fourth one is hilarius when thinking about it

 

[Untamed]

1- Like Itachi programmed Kotoamatsukami & Amateratsu to work after his death, Madara programmed Izanagi to work at a later time to rewrite his death. Remember the eye still works after the owner has died. That's what happened I guess, since it was scheduled to take affect later.

2- you're probably right, but the original body feels the things the clone experiences. Actually , Madara had the Gedo Mazou hooked up in the exact spot he was stabbed by Hashirama so that's why he still has that wound on his chest.

3- so is Black Zetsu Hamura? Thought it was a third brother that was created during the Kaguya sealing situation.

4- some versions removed Tobirama from the chapter

5- your comment makes sense, but Black Zetsu (like White Zetsu) can slip inside of your body unnoticed and he probably was inside of Madara feeding him thoughts Madara thought were his own.

 

[Lightbringer]

If you don't recall, many people speculated that Madara activated some sort of genjutsu on Hashirama in this page. There was a close-up of his sharingan, and now we know why. Probably activated Izanagi at this point

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[LogicnoJutsu]

1- Izanagi transforms reality into illusion only from the moment it's activated. It makes no sense that a already dead Madara(with a fatal injury) could turn into illusion when the Izanagi jutsu gets activated after his death

Itachi used Amaterasu from sasukes eye when he died 0.o


2- Even if the first sentence was possible, by ressurecting, he shouldn't have conserved the heart wound considering it brings back the user to the initial state before the jutsu activation

No it turns reality into an Illusion, He made it like the stab never happened


3- Rikudo sennin said he was always observing the outcome of the world and his ninshu through his chakra travelling from generations through generations, yet he never realised BZ was his brother or that his tablet was modified?

BZ is not his literal brother, when kaguya was about to be sealed she left a part of herself behind... BZ

4- So Tobirama the creator of Kage Bunshin, experimenting on Madara never noticed it was a clone?

Ninjas..... that or Mangapanda mistranslation, *********** never mentioned Tobirama.

5- Madara's "creation" of BZ on WZ still makes no sense to me if he was already alive

He was connected to the Mazou (Juubi/Kaguyas body) and had other Zetsus around him. BZ alsos a master of stealth. He could easily sneak in Madaras corruption of the White zetsu and take over his will with Kaguyas.

Hope this clears things up

 

[Troyg39]

I had an issue with number one too.

It was the stab wound that killed Madara.

Yet he used Izanagi to revive himself but didn't bother to make his wounds an illusion too so he wouldn't be so damaged upon revival.

Then, he has to spit out a chunk of Hashi's meat (ha) and implant it in the wound on his chest.

Yet it was the wound that killed him in the first place...........so should he not have just died again?

 

[Troyg39]

If you don't recall, many people speculated that Madara activated some sort of genjutsu on Hashirama in this page. There was a close-up of his sharingan, and now we know why. Probably activated Izanagi at this point

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No I think he activated it right after he got stabbed. Which is why he came back with the stab wound

 

[Bogard]

For people giving me Itachi as an example, it has no relationship whatsover. Amaterasu and Izanagi don't have the same working. Izanagi can be activated after the death just like Itachi did with Amaterasu, there is no denying it, but the problem however is that Izanagi can't bring back to life. If you're dead, you're dead. Izanagi is only a jutsu used to cheat death by creating a false image. If the body is already wounded/dead, even if you activated Izanagi later, you will remain wounded/dead

I don't understand what's hard for people to understand here

 

[BK 201]

Hope this clears things up

For no. 2, if that was the case, then Madara should have never had a wound on his chest. I think he just rewrote it to an extent where he would survive that blow. The rest actually look legit to me, especially the last one cause that was kinda bothering me too.

OT: I would wait on that 4th one Tranny Bogard. MP mentions Tobirama, MS doesn't mention Nidaime at all. This is a chapter where Viz translation will really help so we can see all 3 translations. Seems like Kishi tried to make this a clean up chapter so it would be best to see another translation before we can start calling plotholes homie.

 

[Joey The Fool]

You don't get it. When you programm a record on TV, it only starts recording from that point in time. I see the same thing with Izanagi. It would only start working from that point in time, except that normally from that point in time, Madara was already dead

i have an HD DVR it allows me to records shows the moment it comes on and it also allows me to record shows a few minutes before it comes on and the best part is i can program the recording ahead of time, with this in mind whose to say that Madara didn't program Izanagi to activate after his death ahead of time.

 

[Untamed]

For people giving me Itachi as an example, it has no relationship whatsover. Amaterasu and Izanagi don't have the same working. Izanagi can be activated after the death just like Itachi did with Amaterasu, there is no denying it, but the problem however is that Izanagi can't bring back to life. If you're dead, you're dead. Izanagi is only a jutsu used to cheat death by creating a false image. If the body is already wounded/dead, even if you activated Izanagi later, you will remain wounded/dead

I don't understand what's hard for people to understand here

Madara is a lot better at it than Danzo is that's all. Kishi's writing , nothing more. Danzo's body was crushed in Sasuke's Susano'o's hand and his blood flew everywhere, but he appeared perfectly fine several feet later. Izanagi is cast on the caster , not the opponent. Sasuke actually saw Danzo's blood from his crushed body, but Danzo was still ok an instant later.

Madara's death blow chest wound:
Izanagi works in reverse a bit and undoes things from the original latter to the beginning.
He was stabbed from in the back , through the heart, and out the chest, but died after the sword was removed. The last thing that happened was his heart stopped beating. Since the wound happened and the sword was removed before he actually died, he has to undo the "heart stopping" before he can undo the chest and back wound.

 

[BK 201]

I had an issue with number one too.

It was the stab wound that killed Madara.

Yet he used Izanagi to revive himself but didn't bother to make his wounds an illusion too so he wouldn't be so damaged upon revival.

Then, he has to spit out a chunk of Hashi's meat (ha) and implant it in the wound on his chest.

Yet it was the wound that killed him in the first place...........so should he not have just died again?

Yeah that whole section was pretty iffy. That's why I want to see a Viz translation before saying much on that. But to me, it seems that Madara didn't take away the wound, just his death itself. While Danzo would use Izanagi that would erase the reality before his death completely (like when Susano'o crushed him but has no wounds) Madara only had himself die, and used Izanagi to somehow keep himself from dying from his wound. I remember that Obito used Izanagi to make his Kamui last longer but he still had lost his arm. He didn't erase his arm being blown off, but he erased his Kamui time limit and started it anew to completely survive.

It sounds sketchy but I'm thinking somewhere along these lines lies the answer to why Madara still has a wound.