[Theory] Spiral Zetsu : Izuna's Will

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Well, I have no hard evidence to prove that Spiral Zetsu could be Izuna's will, but still, I will give some points which actually make this theory plausible. This is going to be a long read, but it will be well worth it.

1) Hashirama's and Madara's Flashback

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At this point of time, we see that Madara had not yet gone blind. He was still on equal footing with Hashirama. His MS eyes were still clear and had not gone blind.

Also note that Izuna is antagonistic to the Senju.

Only later did Madara awaken the EMS.

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But this poses a question : Why did Madara transplant Izuna's eyes at the point of Izuna's mortal wound by Tobirama ? Where did this EMS knowledge come from ? Why would Madara transplant eyes if his own MS had not gone blind ?

Not to mention at this point of time, nobody knew that EMS existed as Madara was the first person to awaken it.

My answer : Izuna at the time of his Mortal wound given by Tobirama realised that his body was not going to last long.

So, he gave his eyes to Madara to awaken EMS.

2) Madara's Supposed Death

We know that Madara lost at the Valley of the end fight and was mortally wounded.

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But, Hashirama notices someone's presence.

Who could it be ? The logical answer is it was someone to help Madara. And I say that was Izuna.

I will take a long shot here and say that Izuna knew about this from the Uchiha Stone Tablet :-

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Ashura which is in Hashirama Powers + Indra which is in Madara Powers = Rinnegan

After reviving Madara with Hashirama's and Ashura's power, Izuna was able to ensure that Madara would awaken Rinnegan in the future.

At this point, I would say that Izuna died reviving Madara.

3) The Purpose of the Zetsu Experiments

What was the purpose of the Zetsu experiments ?

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Obviously, Madara didn't know the true purpose of the White Zetsus and thus classified them as Failures.

True purpose of White Zetsus :-

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Madara calling White Zetsus failed experiments :-

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Obviously, If Madara knew about the White Zetsu Army, he would have never pursued Infinite Tsukuyomi as a way of Peace.

So, Why ? It was to revive his Brother Izuna. Madara loved his brother dearly. As, such the ultimate goal of his experiments was to resurrect Izuna. And, he finally succeeded in reviving Izuna's will in Spiral Zetsu.

Note: Unlike Black and White Zetsu, Spiral Zetsu was completely unique and couldn't be related to Kaguya's plans.

4) Role Of Obito

While we can say that Obito was a backup in Madara's plan, I find another purpose.

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In the end, Izuna was just a Will in an Artificial body. He needed a Body, a vessel. And that body was Obito.

Considering that Obito was Half Zetsu, it's plausible that Spiral Zetsu could have controlled him. This might explain the "Goofy Tobi incident". This relationship between Spiral Zetsu and Obito could have been symbiotic.

Considering that the whole Rin incident was Madara's plan, it's plausible that Madara did this for Obito to be :-

A) As a backup for his plan.

B) To give Izuna or Spiral Zetsu a vessel.

5) The Sauske and Madara incident

Hashirama says that Madara dearly loved Izuna, his brother.

He also said that Sauske was near identical to Izuna.

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Yet, Madara doesn't hesitate to stab Sauske, a person who has near resemblance to Izuna.

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Moreover, some chapters later, he actually curses the world for his Brother Izuna's death due to power.

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These two panels are contradictory. He almost killed someone who looked like Izuna, yet still cares about him.

Why you ask ? Because by that point, Izuna was alive as Spiral Zetsu fighting the Five Gokage.

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Madara is even concerned for Spiral Zetsu hinting at his "Insides" or Izuna's vessel ( Yamato).

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6) Izuna's Goal

A) We know that Madara's Rinnegan actually was in the possession of Izuna in it's MS state.

B) Izuna gave these eyes to Madara to awaken EMS.

C) Izuna gave Madara Hashirama DNA, so that he will awaken the Rinnegan.

Where does this point ? Infinite Tsukuyomi. But, does Izuna have the same desire of universal peace via Infinite Tsukuyomi where everyone will became Zetsus ?

No, he wanted the Shinju's fruit, or what is inside it.

I once made a prediction :-



Combining this theory with the prediction, I would say that, Izuna's end goals are :-

A) To obtain Sobojo's (Daemonic Tengu) Body.

B) To get Sobojo's Eyes from Madara (Currently in Kaguya's possession).

c) Absorb the Shinju and become the perfect being with the perfect body and eyes.
7) Madara's defeat and revival

Could Madara have fallen to Kaguya on purpose ? So, that he could obtain Kaguya's power ? Will Izuna help Madara in obtaining Kaguya's power ?

Also, currently Kaguya is inhabiting Madara's body.

Madara's will was also a part of Black Zetsu.

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Who's to say that Black Zetsu did this on purpose to Madara to bring out Kaguya ?

Not to mention that the Rikudou tools are out there which could help in sealing Kaguya who is in Madara's body.

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In the end, Madara could bring Izuna closer to his goal of the fruit. If Madara obtains Kaguya's powers, he can easily defeat two threats to the Shinju's fruit plan : Naruto and Sauske.

8) Villian Trolls

Kishi loves introducing Villains suddenly to increase the appeal of the story. Examples being :-

A) Edo Madara being revived suddenly proving that Tobi was not Madara.

B) Tobi being Obito.

C) Black Zetsu reviving Madara via Obito.

D) Black Zetsu being Kaguya's will and reviving Kaguya.

All of the underlined characters above have a similarity, they had an important role in the story, were forgotten by Kishi purposely and suddenly introduced as Villains. So what's to say that Izuna couldn't be Spiral Zetsu's will and introduced suddenly also ?

9) Conclusion

After reading the huge theory do you think :-

Spiral Zetsu could be

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Izuna's Will ?

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isn´t it more likely that the "unknown" at The Valley of the End which Hashirama noticed, simply was Zetsu?!?! ^^ Madara somehow (i think he tried to clone himself) got hold of him, and found out about his "Fight Recording Skill/Jutsu" which was very useful indeed! =)
As we know now, it was all a setup by Madara. He´s seen through the wood-bunshin, and everything else.
Thanks too Zetsu´s Recording
 

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Nice thread bruh
Thanks. :)

isn´t it more likely that the "unknown" at The Valley of the End which Hashirama noticed, simply was Zetsu?!?! ^^ Madara somehow (i think he tried to clone himself) got hold of him, and found out about his "Fight Recording Skill/Jutsu" which was very useful indeed! =)
As we know now, it was all a setup by Madara. He´s seen through the wood-bunshin, and everything else.
Thanks too Zetsu´s Recording
I don't think so. At that point, Zetsu was not even created as Madara neither had the Gedo Mazou nor Hashirama's DNA.

I have no idea what the recording thing means though.
 

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Actually Madara and Izuna would have known how to awaken EMS because of the Uchiha Tablet, when the person has MS then he is able to read the part on how to awaken the EMS, and once he had EMS, he is able to read the part on how to awaken Rinnegan.
 

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Something else to consider :-

Currently Team 7, Obito and Kaguya are in a different Dimension and cut off from the NV world.

The NV World is in Infinite Tsukuyomi and only five players are active :-

The Four Edo Hokages and Spiral Zetsu.

Why is Spiral Zetsu up there ? Obviously to stop the Edo Hokages.

This proves his importance in the plot and raises the question : Who is he ?

A) Izuna. Interestingly, he has a connection to both Hashirama and Tobirama.

B) Tobidara or the second Madara as proposed by Minamoto. But, this raises a question as to why he would need Black Zetsu in that case ?

C) Is a part of the Shinju's fruit given by SDO. I find it unlikely because the fruit has not been introduced yet.
 
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I like that you acknowledge that Madara didn't know about the truth behind the Zetsu and wanted peace (something some Madara fanatics don't accept), but otherwise, I don't think the theory is correct.

There is no hint at all that Madara wanted to revive Izuna. He may have wanted to see him again in the Mugen Tsukuyomi (like Obito wanted to see Rin), but trying to bring him back in the flesh? No.

And why do you think Spiral Zetsu isn't related to Kaguya? He is obviously not a simple White Zetsu clone, but he is still a Zetsu and created through the Gedo Mazo (Shinju base form), so, for all we know he is most likely loyal to Kaguya.
 
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I think it would be interesting if Izuna came back and betrayed Madara, that would just be another betrayal on his list lol
 

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Im greatfull to see how people starting to come up with such amazing theorys. And also the zero hate you earn on this one showing me thst youre a verry open-minded humble person.
 
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I like that you acknowledge that Madara didn't know about the truth behind the Zetsu and wanted peace (something some Madara fanatics don't accept), but otherwise, I don't think the theory is correct.

1) There is no hint at all that Madara wanted to revive Izuna. He may have wanted to see him again in the Mugen Tsukuyomi (like Obito wanted to see Rin), but trying to bring him back in the flesh? No.

2) And why do you think Spiral Zetsu isn't related to Kaguya? He is obviously not a simple White Zetsu clone, but he is still a Zetsu and created through the Gedo Mazo (Shinju base form), so, for all we know he is most likely loyal to Kaguya.
1) I think it is possible. He is like a giant Plot Hole in Madara's story. He was the Progenitor of Madara's Rinnegan, the purpose of Madara's plan. To not showcase him at all doesn't make sense.

2) It makes sense and could happen.


I think it would be interesting if Izuna came back and betrayed Madara, that would just be another betrayal on his list lol
Well considering his Arrogance and Ignorance, I wouldn't be surprised if it happens.

Im greatfull to see how people starting to come up with such amazing theorys. And also the zero hate you earn on this one showing me thst youre a verry open-minded humble person.

Thanks. :)
 

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Just pondering we do know that Madara did get Hashirama's DNA obv for Ashuras will but how did he get the DNA after he was presumed dead :/

Edit: Sorry i had forgot to chuck this in, Very nice read you put alot of effort into this, This does sound a bit far fetch'd but it does sound plausable and you are humble indeed.
 

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Just pondering we do know that Madara did get Hashirama's DNA obv for Ashuras will but how did he get the DNA after he was presumed dead :/

Edit: Sorry i had forgot to chuck this in, Very nice read you put alot of effort into this, This does sound a bit far fetch'd but it does sound plausable and you are humble indeed.
Because according to this theory, Izuna saved Madara from near-death and gave him Hashirama DNA, so that he will awaken Rinnegan.

Thanks. :)
 

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but hold on....i dont think anyone knew about how to get the rennigan tht way and certainly not izuna cuz maddy was the first one to unlock it and he thought it was cuz he mixed his and hashi's dna.....good effort tho
 

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:/ izuna fv?

heres my thought on the failed experiment. madara cloned hashi. he wanted him in IT with him but it created zetsus. lol
 
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