People mistake Sasuke for being a realist

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Sasuke is a jerk but sometimes jerks have a point.

What?You expect a five minute conversation when the world is at stake with Sasuke explaining why Sakura and Kakashi can't do anything?Sasuke was straight to the point and told the truth...perhaps he was too blunt but nobody said the truth had to be pleasant.


And at this point I doubt anyone would give a sh*t about Sasuke's criminal status since he is helping save everyone.As for Sasuke being unable to be Hokage because people dislike him......most leaders aren't loved by all to begin with.
 
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Crazy thread


But I do agree there's nothing realistic about Sasuke's intentions. He's merely a child with too much anger, nothing more.
 

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itachi solos this thread and the guy promoting his mixtape
 

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"Sasuke bashed Sakura and Kakashi for simply asking what was going on outside. He had planned to tell Naruto anyway. Instead of simply answering Sakura aloud, which would have allowed the whole group to hear the answer, he decided to bash."

its better to bash all of em, or else they would act recklessly. kakashi and sakura would act like a boss, while the fact is they can do nothing useful.

"Also, if he really wanted to keep Sakura and Kakashi out of the way, then he should have pushed them out of the susanoo. That would have kept them safer and out of the way. It would not let light in because you can actually go out of susanoo without making a hole, as shown by the time Gaara pulled Madara out of his susanoo."

wtf is this? push them out? they would be affected by it, right? when they talked (sasuke bashed them), the light was still shining

"He just jumped in recklessly (without even putting up a susanoo ribcage or anything). Do you call that rational?"

i would call that plot, retarded. kishi wanted to kill him and could find any rasional reason. thats why he just jumped. anyway madara was distracted by tobirama back then, and he knew that madra once was killed by getting stabbed by a sword. thats it

"Now lets talk about his ideology. Yes Naruto's is too idealistic, but Sasuke doesn't exactly seem to have a method for peace either. He just says that he wants to change the system. That is way too vague to call his ideals realistic, yet people seem to think that he is so rational."

he msut change the system. spreading the bijuu caused this. he wants to change that wso MT wouldnt happen anymore. and no one will suffer of being jin. akatsuki was also one of many that made itachi suffer. thus, he doesnt want the bijuu spread. he wanted to burn the bijuu, but naruto has 9 bijuu chakra although just a little, he isnt bothered right? because the bijuus are in one place.

anyway thats the path he chose. naruto is yang, sasuke is yin.

"The fact that Sasuke even assumes that he will be let back into Konoha shows that he is not that realistic, let alone become hokage. He is still an international criminal. He also does not seem to get that the village people play a role in choosing the hokage. Therefore, people have to like him (and nobody does)! Is this rational?"

sasuke is criminal? he hasnt even killed any ninja. danzo? he committed suicide in his last moment. yes he took part of taking hachibi, but it was just few chakra of it. and he took part of taking it back (the war). he helped the SA beat juubito which held hachibi's few chakra in it. disturbing 5 kages? well 5 kages were the ones who came to him. he was only looking for danzo. when he arrived the 5 kages came to him but after getting away from a and gaara and samurai (which were not his target), he went to find danzo.

is there a proof of people taking part in choosing hokage? nah, all i know is that the elders choose. see the tsunade part.

sasuke defo will be the hero of the war, together with naruto. people will change their mind about him. and he has done a lot for SA although not directly.

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jesus christ it took just few minutes for naruto's friends to begin trusting him. anyway the vicilian and ordinary people dont know as much as konoha shinobi do about sasuke. it will be even easier to make em have faith in sasuke

1. Kakashi and Sakura would not necessarily act like a boss. Kakashi knows when to let others lead as evidenced when he stated himself to be relieved when Kurama took charge against the juubi. Sakura has never ever taken a lead role in battle. What would possibly make him assume that they'd try to jump in? Also, he could have just said "stay out of the combat guys" and left it at that instead of wasting time when Sakura would eventually hear about the events anyway.

2. Reread the part when Madara got pulled out of susanoo. Was there a whole in it? No. The light wouldn't have gotten in the susanoo. Kakashi and Sakura would have been safer under the genjutsu. You could be saved later if you're under the genjutsu, but you'd die much faster if you are active in the actual battle.

3. People just blame everything on plot, like that is a viable excuse. The plot card can be used for just about anything. I could say that it was plot that Nagato was not fodder because it was plot that made Madara give Nagato the rinnegan. It was plot that Sasuke is a boy because Fugaku's sperm cell could have had an x chromosome instead of a y. The plot card is a cheap excuse.

4. The bijuu aren't actually the cause of all of this. The cause stemmed ultimately from discrimination and racism (like the Uchiha being confined to one small district based on the proofless assumption that the whole clan was responsible for Kurama's attack, or the previous conflict between the Uchiha and Senju, or war in general (which caused Obito to adopt the eye of the moon plan)). The bijuus were just weapons in the conflict. They are not the source.

5. He also killed Samurai who were actually doing their job in fighting intruders. Danzo blew himself up, but Sasuke goes on record as killing him.

6. By "the people" I meant the jonin and elders. Also, Tobirama said that the hokage was chosen democratically. None of the jonin or elders like him.
 

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Sasuke is a jerk but sometimes jerks have a point.

What?You expect a five minute conversation when the world is at stake with Sasuke explaining why Sakura and Kakashi can't do anything?Sasuke was straight to the point and told the truth...perhaps he was too blunt but nobody said the truth had to be pleasant.


And at this point I doubt anyone would give a sh*t about Sasuke's criminal status since he is helping save everyone.As for Sasuke being unable to be Hokage because people dislike him......most leaders aren't loved by all to begin with.

You missed the point. I am not telling him to have a 5 minute conversation. I am saying that he wasted time by bashing them. He should have just gotten straight to telling the events to Naruto instead of wasting 5 minutes to bash Kakashi and Sakura.
 

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Sakura: Sasuke whats going on out there?

Sasuke: It doesn't matter there's nothing you can do.

Not trying to bash Sakura but that is the truth. He didn't do it to be rude, pointlessly talking about what we ALL know is going on would waste panel time anyways.

Also Sasuke Sasuke saved everyones lives already and of course Narutos their to back him up. You honestly think that at this point the 5 pages give a shit about Sasuke showing up the Kage summit? The only reason Raikage gave a shit was cuz he thought Killer bee was dead. Nobody likes Danzo. And they are teaming up with the likes of Orochimaru.

Any further conflicts or beef between Sasuke and anyone other than Naruto would be childish.
You are being illogical. Along with Sakura, he also shut down Kakashi, without even letting him finish what he was saying. That's illogical. And all he wanted to do is say we can help strategize with a way to beat her. And he wouldn't allow that. That's illogical.

You can't try and reason that the 5 Kages are just going to up and forgive him now. Especially Raikage, he's not the forgiving type. And even so, after witnessing how he handles stress, none of them are going to consider taking a role as heavy as hokage with all the stress that comes with it. So to answer your question, YES, they DO still give a shit (and a really big shit) about him attacking them like that.

 

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whatever you say.
 

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Very well put, OP. It wasnt needed, but it was funny. I think it was just thrown in to show that sasuke is still a douche.
 

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He is real, but harsh. Sort of like a boss. Also sasuke could push them out of the susanoo? lol you say it in a way like you know sasuke's true intentions but the fact is nobody does.
 

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Lel. The value of telling Sakura and Kakashi they were useless is so they would stay out the way and not do anything so they won't need saving again. Both seem to have agreed completely as well. You have completely exaggerated the situation. There was no bashing involved if you looked at it his perspective. He told them exactly how he felt, then Naruto was the one who wasted time because he was being emotional.

I don't know why he didn't push them out of Susanoo. While we're making assumptions out of our ass, why can't we say Naruto would stop him or throw a tantrum?

As for the value of Sakura and Kakashi they have none. They know nothing about current Sasuke / Narutos abilities and are simply outclassed by Kaguya to even fathom a possible counter. If you're so sure Sasuke is wrong why does all parties agree with him.

Sasuke idelogies and strategic abilities are two different things. You completely confused the two with this next point. All I can say is plot simply. We don't know how Sasuke was planning on attacking Madara from the air but it doesn't stop Kishi from making Sasuke out to be a genius on every turn. To knock him just for being killed by someone who took out every major character previously with little difficulty is uncalled for and in actuality has nothing to do with the main topic.

Wait why is attacking Madara with kenjutsu non rational? Madara was blind and Sasukes kenjutsu was on a great level for it to be fearsome in combat. Becoming hokage is a rational goal for him because he knows he has the power to achieve it. He doesn't care what others think is what he told Shikamaru. That means he plans on doing it with or without others acknowledgement.
 

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People say that Sasuke would be a better hokage than Naruto because he is rational and a realist. This is false however.
Now I will admit that Naruto is not exactly the most rational, but Sasuke is pretty irrational as well.
The only instance of showing more rationality than Naruto that Sasuke has had, was during the last chapter when he gave Naruto that speech about how they can't sacrifice their lives for Kakashi and Sakura.

Let us review Sasuke's recent dialogue and behavior:

Many people say that trash talking Kakashi and Sakura was just being realistic and telling the truth. However, it was really more of a waste of time than anything. Sasuke bashed Sakura and Kakashi for simply asking what was going on outside. He had planned to tell Naruto anyway. Instead of simply answering Sakura aloud, which would have allowed the whole group to hear the answer, he decided to bash. Therefore this was just a waste of time, since he just ended up telling everyone by telling Naruto anyway.

True realists value efficiency. How efficient was it to waste the time to bash people when he would just end up letting the whole group hear anyway? Furthermore, a realist would realize that Kakashi and Sakura (although useless in physical battle) would still be capable of analyzing the opponent. Can you honestly say that this fact is false?

Also, if he really wanted to keep Sakura and Kakashi out of the way, then he should have pushed them out of the susanoo. That would have kept them safer and out of the way. It would not let light in because you can actually go out of susanoo without making a hole, as shown by the time Gaara pulled Madara out of his susanoo.


Then there was the time he got stabbed by Madara. He just jumped in recklessly (without even putting up a susanoo ribcage or anything). Do you call that rational? A 5 year old would know to simply attack someone that was just falling at them from the air. They may not have limbo, but they would still know to swing a bat or something.


Some time before this, he tried to attack Madara using mere kenjutsu after seeing that amaterasu had no effect. Kenjutsu? Really? Is this what you call rational?

Now lets talk about his ideology. Yes Naruto's is too idealistic, but Sasuke doesn't exactly seem to have a method for peace either. He just says that he wants to change the system. That is way too vague to call his ideals realistic, yet people seem to think that he is so rational.
Madara and Obito actually had a plan (and it was a great one except for the white zetsu thing which they probably didn't know about). Nagato had an actual plan. Naruto and Sasuke only have words.

The fact that Sasuke even assumes that he will be let back into Konoha shows that he is not that realistic, let alone become hokage. He is still an international criminal. He also does not seem to get that the village people play a role in choosing the hokage. Therefore, people have to like him (and nobody does)! Is this rational?

Conclusion: Being rude is not the same as being rational.

This is a direct shot at my "Why I like Sasuke" thread. Except that you failed to counter any of my points.
 

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You missed the point. I am not telling him to have a 5 minute conversation. I am saying that he wasted time by bashing them. He should have just gotten straight to telling the events to Naruto instead of wasting 5 minutes to bash Kakashi and Sakura.
5 minutes? Asspull? Naruto, Sasuke, Kakashi, and Sakura were waiting for the light of infinite tsukiyomi to stop shining, with in that time, Sasuke was able to bash Sakura and Kakashi, and explain the situation they were in. Kishimoto did not state in anyway Sasukes explanation was longer or shorter than his bash, nor did Kishimoto state that his bash was 5 minutes.
 

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sasuke forget that he acting like naruto when protects itachi from kabuto insulting.
 
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